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  • Registered: 2017-10-29
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On 2017-12-27 07:42:04Show this Author OnlyDescending Order
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Relatively new server here.
Only two(ish) active groups.

Problem: One group is abusing the Plunder system.
They have one (or more) alt accounts that they use to attack themselves after a successful plunder to avoid losing coins.
This issue comes from *ready unfair system (not complaining—just telling it like it is). They have one heavy spender with 20k more battle power than anyone else in the game. And it's impossible (I'm being hyperbolic) to plunder anyone in that group without encountering this one person. So the only way we can "fight back" is to take coins from their other plunderers, which is not that much of a win—but hey.

Now they've found a way around this by telling each other where the plunder is happening and having somebody wait there to challenge them afterwards. A lot of effort on their part, I know.

How do I know this? Their alts have similar names as their mains, for one. And when I've successfully plundered people in their group, they would have people waiting for me to finish and challenge me immediately to take coins. Again, a lot of effort on their part. If I were more per*acious, I'd have taken screenshots. I'm all for group solidarity, but this is a little much. It doesn't help that there's a language barrier either. (Most of their group speaks Portuguese and poor English).

And I suspect that their heavy spender is using an auto-plunder bot. Here's more cir*stantial evidence: he'll plunder me immediately after i leave town. However, a couple of times he's forgotten to have it on auto, so I'd be able to defend And then he'd immediately plunder me again. Again, not on auto and I'd defend. There's also a bot on the server that messages people, advertising a gamebot (I suspect it's the same player—hard to prove).

Kinda sad that I'm on a server with such poor group dynamics.



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On 2017-12-27 07:45:34Show this Author Only
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I forgot my suggestion:

Make it so that you can only apply for support from a person with 5–10k more power than you.
(not sure what the right number is).



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On 2017-12-27 08:23:17Show this Author Only
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Lucky for me it's 6PM:

6

10 minutes later:

7


The problem isn't just this one player; it's the whole group (again, being hyperbolic—a lot of them).
There's another player from their group I just saw plundering someone (not from my group, so can't show the log).
And minutes later they are in town, unable to be attacked for rewards.
I waited for them to finish their plunder but they were spirited away (assuming they're joining a team somewhere for one of their groupmate's alts to attack them).
Real frustrating.


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On 2017-12-27 10:51:17Show this Author Only
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No such thing as a language barrier as at least one has to know enough English to be able to play. I've caught non-English players lying that they did not know any english well enough just so they don't have to speak English to others, which is annoying since they're playing on an English server.


Providing more screenshots of that guild and continuing to use a second guild to benefit themselves and if any negative behaviour (based on my experience with non-english players, they will if you confront them) should be evidence of a ban but it depends if Oasis is not passive about your case.

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On 2017-12-27 11:34:10Show this Author Only
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if you lose a plunder attempt you have to pay 10 ingots to plunder again and if you lose 3 times you are done for.

Anyways there's a better way to avoid being plundered.

If there's for real only two groups in your server then your group can sabotage on purpuse their plunderings.

How do you do it?

Warn them that if they don't stop doing it then every single person in your group will stop running SS convoys.

If you do it for 2 weeks you'll see they'll begin to plunder their alts and so they'll stop plundering you.

Given your power could be running 40 coins convoys isn't at all a bad idea (since you have equipment and eight inner gates to level up).




This post was last edited by Garv on 2017-12-27 11:35:35.
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On 2017-12-27 11:51:27Show this Author Only
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  • Garv On 2017-12-27 11:34:10
  • if you lose a plunder attempt you have to pay 10 ingots to plunder again and if you lose 3 times you are done for.

    Anyways there's a better way to avoid being plundered.

    If there's for real only two groups in your server then your group can sabotage on purpuse their plunderings.

    How do you do it?

    Warn them that if they don't stop doing it then every single person in your group will stop running SS convoys.

    If you do it for 2 weeks you'll see they'll begin to plunder their alts and so they'll stop plundering you.

    Given your power could be running 40 coins convoys isn't at all a bad idea (since you have equipment and eight inner gates to level up).

Good strategy but it isn't for those who don't have ingots since they'll rely on the coupons from convoy. Plundering their alts is a better solution since it will limit their chances of getting coupons and you'll continue to do so until they stop. If they plan to camp and attack you once you finish plundering, quickly refresh and wait to comeback and move once you log back on.


This is a great message as it tells them to stop doing shady stuff as thier actions will ruin the population of your server and you won't be able to participate in events such as gnw (unless they end up using their alt's guild which means they have a lot of time on their hands).

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On 2018-02-21 02:25:59Show this Author Only
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  • Danzō On 2017-12-27 10:51:17
  • No such thing as a language barrier as at least one has to know enough English to be able to play. I've caught non-English players lying that they did not know any english well enough just so they don't have to speak English to others, which is annoying since they're playing on an English server.


    Providing more screenshots of that guild and continuing to use a second guild to benefit themselves and if any negative behaviour (based on my experience with non-english players, they will if you confront them) should be evidence of a ban but it depends if Oasis is not passive about your case.

There are people playing Chinese server version as their default...and they are fine with it with just using translator here and there regarding item changes or item options, stats, etc. and you want to say there is no language barrier and must know some english to play the game...sadly it's not necessary. Back in the day when I barely knew English, I still played games and was doing stuff without understanding meaning of words, though I had a friend who described me stuff, not to mention that the online game I played had local servers too, and people tended to land a help in describing or translating, so it wasn't necessary required language to play, when you got people who can help you, or people who helped.

And lets get real here, nobody will bother to use translator to translate what other dude who they are plundering, is trying to say to them.

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On 2018-02-21 12:25:09Show this Author Only
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  • smaddeus On 2018-02-21 02:25:59
  • There are people playing Chinese server version as their default...and they are fine with it with just using translator here and there regarding item changes or item options, stats, etc. and you want to say there is no language barrier and must know some english to play the game...sadly it's not necessary. Back in the day when I barely knew English, I still played games and was doing stuff without understanding meaning of words, though I had a friend who described me stuff, not to mention that the online game I played had local servers too, and people tended to land a help in describing or translating, so it wasn't necessary required language to play, when you got people who can help you, or people who helped.

    And lets get real here, nobody will bother to use translator to translate what other dude who they are plundering, is trying to say to them.

Not sure why you decide to bring up an old post that was meant to die...


Anyways, having a online translator (whether it is effectively trabslate or not) will make it obviously somewhat remove the language barrier. If you are too lazy to communicate with the language of the intended population of a server, don't you think you are doing a dis-service for the community of that server. Like in my example, they chose not to spoke the language even they understood (or at least someone did). If I were to speak in one language but they respond to me speaking in another language but I find out they spoke the same language, that is a completely rude on their part.


It's fine if the players are in the minortiy in a server but I had several instances where the majority of players took over a server that spoke a language that is not intended to be spoken.




This post was last edited by Danzō on 2018-02-21 12:26:18.
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On 2018-02-21 22:08:48Show this Author Only
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  • Danzō On 2017-12-27 11:51:27
  • Good strategy but it isn't for those who don't have ingots since they'll rely on the coupons from convoy. Plundering their alts is a better solution since it will limit their chances of getting coupons and you'll continue to do so until they stop. If they plan to camp and attack you once you finish plundering, quickly refresh and wait to comeback and move once you log back on.


    This is a great message as it tells them to stop doing shady stuff as thier actions will ruin the population of your server and you won't be able to participate in events such as gnw (unless they end up using their alt's guild which means they have a lot of time on their hands).

That is funny because I had to stopped running my SS convoys for a couple weeks because I was getting targeted to often. I used to get plundered a few times a week so I tried going at different times of the day but the other group has many members. I also tried to run SS after they plundered a few of my group hoping they were out of plunderers but then a few of them just spend ingots to plunder me. The worst was getting plundered and then using a SS license and getting plundered yet again.

I also asked to join their group but they said I'm too weak to join their group. This was a no win and so the only thing that seems to benefit was to stop doing SS which is ok for now since I need a lot of coins. I only run SS when it looks safe which his not perfect but I get plundered maybe 2 or 3x a week now rather then daily. The sad thing is that it does cost one coupons which is good for lucky board and the people who can benefit the most from coupons are those the weaker people in the game who get plundered

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On 2018-03-15 04:32:00Show this Author Only
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I think this thread got misdirected. The original post was about main accts plundering their alts and then using that alt to clear themselves.

I also am annoyed at this exploitation. One player has 10 alts(that I know of for sure), 7 in his group and 3 in others. He is strong enough to support 3 alts and runs himself freely as well as running ss from the 3 alts to plunder them as well. I have caught him several times clearing himself right after plundering his alts.

I understand this loophole and am not so annoyed at some one like him sharing his alts to plunder to give to everyone in the group, but he takes them all for himself. I also know he has conspired with a friend in another group to share his alts(as in he logs them in himself) to do this to no end.

So on top of that this group he leads, joins gnw every week, but there are only 4 real active players and loads of alts. They aren't successful, but thats not a real problem, this alt laden group *s around deterring any possibility of a server merge request. There's only 2 real groups left that have any real activity and then his. To the tune that he gives the majority of the packs he easily gets from 3rd place to his alts. 4 of those alts have done 300 pulls for rebate.

How to report this abuse and what would be the likelyhood of any action.

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On 2018-03-15 05:46:24Show this Author Only
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it's sad that this game promotes this kind of actions by players... first it's the heal spammers, complete anti gaming (another topic for another day) now it's this. People find a way to play dirty every day ffs... On my server we had respect for each other at least and never tried to demolish the opposite group with sick tactics cause that WILL affect the stability of the server and it will die quicker than expected... and still we had to end up merging cause we got screwed in merge, the other guys got a 4 and 5 server merge and we got a 3 server merge... this game has sooooo many flaws that the dirty players take advantage of... it's really becoming pointless to play this...and i'm top 2 on my server and even i'm getting tired of this... a guy just wants to have it's fun, playing against people who come up with their own style, who build their own rep... here almost everyone is a copy of the other guy and has to play dirty and cheap lol and i'm portuguese btw, shame on them for what they are doing. These ppl need to learn how to see the bigger picture... but i don't think they ever will cause it's hopeless... didn't change back then, not gonna change now

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On 2018-03-15 16:26:52Show this Author Only
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This is why I love making my alt make an SS run while I defend it. I can easily "clean" at least 4-8 auto plunderers a day per character(I have 3 alts). I have more fun doing this than any event the game offers now tbh.

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On 2018-03-15 17:55:28Show this Author Only
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  • RandomStranger On 2018-03-15 16:26:52
  • This is why I love making my alt make an SS run while I defend it. I can easily "clean" at least 4-8 auto plunderers a day per character(I have 3 alts). I have more fun doing this than any event the game offers now tbh.

LoL

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On 2018-03-16 11:12:31Show this Author Only
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wecome to hell! I had this problem and made over 50 reports with screen shots showing the people who was giving them self roses mods did nothing.

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