what i also saw that seemed to work reasonably well there combinations of kurotsuschi roshi wind main and asuma wb

Mmm this seems like an interesting line-up. *^*
*awkward cough* On a side note uhh, where do you get Roshi though? ^^;

from jinchuriki treasure 1 i thought it was at this point obvious that i am a german who plays the german version

I find some comments quite intriguing, really. Having a brain and playing as a f2p is well and good. Every now and then you'll beat this guy with 5k, 10k or 20k more power than you've got. No amount of skill or tact though can get you out victorious against a team with 6 tailed naruto, killer bee, kage gaara or sailor sakura OR root susanoo brothers team having 20k power advantage and superior initiative. Heck, your opponent might as well afk and auto your ass and you'd still lose like a boss.

Oh, I see. Thank you. X) No, I didn't realize you were playing the German version, sorry. ^^;

This, i do not understand why people think skill matters in this game. To a degree it does, but that only applies when the power difference is very miniscule. If your opponent has the initiative position 1 advantage and the field even at the same power they are not at the same power anymore as all their ninjas just got buffed by 30% and they still can move first while immobilising your targets easily.

Now if the opponent has all of that and they are 10k ahead no matter what you do, you can have the most broken tankiness, i'm looking at you root passive, and insane damage/sustain at the same time it does not matter as they will just roll over you unless they are using some joke team.

i have to disagree i beat the second highest ranked player on my server who has 35k more bp than me This post was last edited by MuroiMaNin at 2017-6-5 04:54

I have to disagree with your disagreement, since you have clearly displayed the ninjas available to you are not something a normal player or even moderate p2w can achieve.

Alright i will give you that some of the p2w players are not very smart, i am nr 4 in my space time and i went up against a heavy whale 25k power above me, he used a hashirama manual barrier team with hanzo/earth main,sage naruto and i just used some meta poison tai chojuro/mei team and did end up winning, because he was so *y that he was on auto, then all he had to do is switch to an auto barrier and bust out his 6tails +minato and all i could do was facepalm.

This however is not the case most of the time, if both players are equally skilled the one with the heavy power advantage will win almost certainly.

even with strong ninjas you still need skill to beat someone who is faster than you on every postion and has 50% more bp than you

your opponent can be the lebron james of naruto online if he cant use any mystery or even attack you because you totally outplayed him than i would consider that a victory by skill

It was not a victory by skill because winning against auto/survival trial is easy with even a heavy power disadvantage.

You still fail to see the point, all he had to do is win over my auto barrier by using an auto barrier ninja and just overpower me with his power there was no skill involved to win the first one and no amount of strategy would win me the second game unless i suddenly got the urge to drop 1k£ on the game to get some amazingly balanced ninjas like sailor sakura/tsunade hokage and just win by outhealing.

just because your opponent was on auto doesnt mean that mine was too

You have extremely overpowered and expensive super rares available to you, of course anyone can take that with half a brain and win over someone with a decent power difference, most people can not even make more than 1 meta team, i am stuck with that water team for months on end cuz i can't pull anything else than duplicates.

If you do not p2w for ninjas there is no counter to power, most people do not have the ability to switch class after 1 fight and bust out their 2nd team that's gonna counter the opponent.

When I use a 2 healer team (not immortal, just regular 2 healer team), I get beaten round 1, with 2-4 ninjas already dead, after lightning main does his standards. THAT is the problem at hand. People resort to immortals, because it counters blitz teams (and not always at that XD). If my Kimimaro gets all the best gear, he still gets killed round 1 for 1/3 fights.

I'd gladly desert Immortal team, but that's the best I c*e, in the meta filled with lightning blitz
This post was last edited by Qolem at 2017-6-5 06:05

I'm gonna take a wild (Not so wild really) stab in the dark and say this opponent who beat you in R1 with standards had much, much more power than you? Please, don't try to lie because I know from my own experience blitz teams with equal or less power don't do that sort of damage. (Unless of course you will admit to having a very clear defense or resistance deficiency)

Qolem I think you are smart, I'm actually something of a fan. But I approach this topic with extreme scrutiny.

EDIT: I have somewhat pointed out the error in bringing Blitz teams into the argument of immortal teams OPness but I want to stress a new point.

Bringing up another sort of team formation while defending your own, in this case the immortal team, is a clear deflection. Guilty parties often resort to this tactic to attempt to cast the blame elsewhere. But it is not a suitable defense for the clear OPness of Immortal teams. And I'm not saying you are the only person doing this Qolem, this comment is more directed towards the community in general. I can make many points that indicate why Immortal teams are more OP than Blitz teams, and instead of refuting the claims I make for some reason a lot of Pro-immortals tend to try to deflect the blame back to Blitz.

EDIT2: It's worth noting that I use a variety of teams. Sometimes it's blitz, sometimes it's immortal. Currently I am trying out a new CC team as an earth main. So, while I am a fan of the dying Fire Mains of this era I truly did make an effort to remain unbiased. Speaking from experience in using all sorts of teams recently it is of my firm opinion that immortal teams are more OP. But a simple experiment can easily solve this. Regardless of your power try out Blitz teams and Immortal teams. You will find that one of them allows you to fair much better regardless of your opponent. And if you look at that data objectively you will be able to identify which of the teams is more OP. Good luck my young scientists.
This post was last edited by Beji at 2017-6-5 09:42

Just to take it in order, the opponent was at my power level, I may send you a replay of the fight (check your PM), if you so wish. I was so shocked after it, that I saved it, just to have a memory XD

I'm flattered to hear that you find me to be smart, and I can understand the careful approach, which I actually lacked with my previous statement. Bringing the topic of Blitz to discussion about Immortal may be a bit out of place, although my point was "people use Immortal, because of the blitz", and not neccesarily "we should ban blitz, because it's more OP than immortal". From my point of view the most effective defence against blitz is immortal, due to the experience of losing 3 ninjas T1, in an equal power fight.

I wish I found a team that is not immortal, but still gets me enough of a win/lose ratio to keep me invested in the game, and I'm doing my best, changing mains, trying out new teams, etc.

Agree that the only reason Immortal is so widely used right now is just because it has the highest winrate. Things will sure change when Roshi/Han and 3.0 comes out.

I can't really clearly see your HP in that video but is it safe to assume you weren't mooded Life? I'll confess that the Blitz team you fought did seem pretty * strong and the damage your sailor took from the repulse damage was ungodly. But if your life is in the 50ks I would say you aren't really using immortal teams in the way that I think most people have a problem with. For example with your power it should be possible for you to reach to the 70's or even close to 80ks. To be safe lets call it early 70ks tho.

Also there is a HUGE difference between this double healer team and the triple healers. I imagine the results would be different if you had won the auto barrier. If only slightly. Add that with life moods and you see a totally different outcome.

This brand of blitz team is only viable in R1 and it become a lot less effective after that round. Most players who use blitz teams will have Susanoo Sasuke, DP Hidan, ninja like that. When you mentioned dying in R1 I didn't expect this team to be the culprit even though it makes sense now. If you can make it out of R1 you should pull an easy win, of course that depends on if this team is also using Root. Considering the Lightning mains myst and attack choice I would assume he went for bloodthirsty demon instead but I cannot be sure.

Hmm, never though this thread get this long, and have lots of known player and forumer i know or have interact with; reply with arguments and facts about 'immortal team'. Me, been using the setup but now i use blitz team instead for obvious reason (fast fight, can be used on many type ingame like ti, sw, 9tails, etc). Long story short, people tend to use (or mimic) team with the highest winrate (kudos to Kitai Suru for pointing this out) and yeah, much easier to be a follower then the leader .. until new and better tactic and teams comes out (Germany got the 3.0 update already so head ups).
Like my old m*ways says to me : enjoy it while it last, or just endure it ;p