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I recently heard an interview with Achroma and got sort of angry. He started talking about Tobei (Another mod) and said he was 65k as a F2P. Then on the forum I saw Tobei having a signature with the whole 65k F2P b/s. Do you mods realize that because you get paid soooo much in coupons you are NOT technically F2P.

When you go around declaring yourself a 65k F2P it is very misleading and quite frankly it scares me because I don't know if you realize how it is for true F2P. If you as mods don't know that 50-55k power is the top F2P power you might not realize how *ty it is for F2P. And this is on an older server.

We need better events for F2P to help close the power gap between them and P2W. If you blindly say someone who gets paid more in coupons than most small spenders actually spend on the game is F2P, you might fool yourself into missing this. I'm not F2P but I see how much they struggle on my server. No true F2P is going to have 65k power at this point. Now, that may change in a few weeks but at the time I am writing this it is impossible.

So please follow your own advice and stop spreading false information, especially for your sake. I do not mean that sarcastically..if you don't realize the error in the claim that Tobei is F2P, then you are seriously missing some of the worst problems the game has at this point in time.
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On 2017-04-14 18:45:51Show this Author Only
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Sorry for your experience, it's a joke in the video, but we'll also pay more attentions to the words we use in the future.
Ofc, We'll also try our best to improve our events, too. Thank you for your words and suggestions. :)
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On 2017-04-14 18:54:25Show this Author Only
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I acknowledge that f2p is having a hard time, but imo the situation is not as bad as some people might think. Yes its true that the current top power for f2p is around 55k, most * f2p is only over 45k but what that mean is that you can still enjoy the game and play competitively as a f2p. 55k is more than enough for you to be in the top 30 spacetime and most of the top 128 in my server group (which is the first HK sv group) is only around 50k
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On 2017-04-14 19:14:00Show this Author Only
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You tell them!
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On 2017-04-14 19:17:04Show this Author Only
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  • RyoheiYagyuu On 2017-04-14 18:54:25
  • I acknowledge that f2p is having a hard time, but imo the situation is not as bad as some people might think. Yes its true that the current top power for f2p is around 55k, most * f2p is only over 45k but what that mean is that you can still enjoy the game and play competitively as a f2p. 55k is more than enough for you to be in the top 30 spacetime and most of the top 128 in my server group (which is the first HK sv group) is only around 50k
That isn't the case on LA servers 2-12. Rank 30 is roughly 60-65k (Highest power is 82k; average for top 10 is 70k), sure, but the ninja they have are crazy. More than half of them have Susanoo Sasuke, Ay or both. F2P power can barely catch the tail end of the top 128, infact rank 128 currently is 50k power.

The power of rank 128 to rank 50 fluctuates between 50-60k, but the majority of them are small spenders at the very least because on top of their power they have very powerful ninja. I don't see many pure F2P in top 128 at all. Though its interesting to see how many players in the top 200 from my server have quit. Given this..I guess it would be more valuable to see what F2P power is after the next power system is released...see some of the retired P2W's drop down in ranking a bit, etc.

The power difference is a huge deal because the ninja difference is so vast. The power is the one thing that could be relatively close. The difference between F2P ninja and P2W ninja will always be a gap that can't be over come. But the power is one that we can and should manage. I'm not saying super charge F2P, but boost em up a bit. Let them catch up a tad in terms of raw power. But the best way to start is to manage expectations..and we cannot assume a mod with 65k power is anywhere close to the norm. In my first post I mentioned 55k as maximum F2P strength, but in truth its probably closer to 50k or below. This post was last edited by kpo***@riordanhs.org at 2017-4-14 19:18
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On 2017-04-14 20:00:52Show this Author Only
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That is the case for LA server 14 - 599 as well.

Most of the top 20 are 70k+, running susanoo sasuke ect. You'd struggle to even get top 128 at 50k pow.

And if you are not in one of the mabui 1010 or root lightning camps, you will be sitting outside top 128 even at 55k pow because of AI targetting *ity.
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On 2017-04-14 20:40:14Show this Author Only
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Woah!

I spot my name!
Considering I've been name dropped, I believe it's my duty to address this thread with some enlightenment on this situation.

Stating "F2P" on our signatures has absolutely nothing to do with our spending or "way to play the game"
It's merely an inside joke with no bearing on others.

It's within your right and decision to declare yourself however you see fit, I have no ill towards players who proudly declare that they're F2P and this has no bearing on them. Same towards P2P, players have the right to express their livelihood however they see fit.

Now to explain the joke! (Joker laughter)

A couple of colleagues and friends (and members) flips the script on what they declare themselves.
Of course, Achroma and I aren't true F2P (Don't tell him that though!)
These acronyms mean absolutely nothing towards us. We're players and we enjoy the game while having fun doing so, as I stated above, It's your right to declare yourself however you see fit. However in my personal view, stating that you're a "true F2P" or a "wallet warrior" does not make you better than the next player vice versa.


We're all here to have fun and that's the goal towards moving in the future.
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On 2017-04-14 20:43:36Show this Author Only
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  • Tobei On 2017-04-14 20:40:14
  • Woah!

    I spot my name!
    Considering I've been name dropped, I believe it's my duty to address this thread with some enlightenment on this situation.

    Stating "F2P" on our signatures has absolutely nothing to do with our spending or "way to play the game"
    It's merely an inside joke with no bearing on others.

    It's within your right and decision to declare yourself however you see fit, I have no ill towards players who proudly declare that they're F2P and this has no bearing on them. Same towards P2P, players have the right to express their livelihood however they see fit.

    Now to explain the joke! (Joker laughter)

    A couple of colleagues and friends (and members) flips the script on what they declare themselves.
    Of course, Achroma and I aren't true F2P (Don't tell him that though!)
    These acronyms mean absolutely nothing towards us. We're players and we enjoy the game while having fun doing so, as I stated above, It's your right to declare yourself however you see fit. However in my personal view, stating that you're a "true F2P" or a "wallet warrior" does not make you better than the next player vice versa.


    We're all here to have fun and that's the goal towards moving in the future.
Yeah I didn't bring this up to insult anyone. Just point out that if a mod truly thought that 65k was an achievable power for F2P at this point in the game then they are extremely misinformed.

You seem to understand that its not, but you said not to tell Achroma that..I mean..just because you don't spend any of your own money on this game doesn't mean you are F2P..especially when you get paid more than small spenders spend on the game.

Just so we are clear, you guys do see how the F2P community needs to be improved?

EDIT: I also want to add that I don't think Achroma or you, Tobei, are bad mods AT ALL. I think both of you make a solid effort to help the community. That being said, every single person on this planet is capable of making mistakes. And to me the F2P thing seemed like a pretty important one to address. Thank you for taking time to respond to this thread.
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On 2017-04-14 20:48:11Show this Author Only
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  • Blivy On 2017-04-14 20:43:36
  • Yeah I didn't bring this up to insult anyone. Just point out that if a mod truly thought that 65k was an achievable power for F2P at this point in the game then they are extremely misinformed.

    You seem to understand that its not, but you said not to tell Achroma that..I mean..just because you don't spend any of your own money on this game doesn't mean you are F2P..especially when you get paid more than small spenders spend on the game.

    Just so we are clear, you guys do see how the F2P community needs to be improved?

    EDIT: I also want to add that I don't think Achroma or you, Tobei, are bad mods AT ALL. I think both of you make a solid effort to help the community. That being said, every single person on this planet is capable of making mistakes. And to me the F2P thing seemed like a pretty important one to address. Thank you for taking time to respond to this thread.
    This post was last edited by kpo***@riordanhs.org at 2017-4-14 20:46
Hey! Since i have been namedropped aswell (duh seems i started a whole controversy) I shall adress this aswell!


Both me and Tobei spend quite alot on this game ourselves, as stated its an inside joke (the interview/podcast with Dripsha) was alot of us *ing around and laughing doing some jokes.

We are well aware that f2p cant reach those levels currently and well aware that the f2p community needs to be improved, i even adress parts of this in the interview (if you take the time to listen and take in all i say altough i ramble alot)


I cannot stress enough how much of a joke the part of us being f2p is. Please dont take it so hard, it was a fun thing to do for me and something mostly to shed some light on things!

As Tobei so perfectly said We're all here to have fun and that's the goal towards moving in the future.

We are constantly striving to improve the game for everyone and that includes f2p!
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On 2017-04-14 21:07:10Show this Author Only
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You say it needs improving but it won't happen and you know it yourself so why even say that? your company doesn't care about peasants who don't spend money and this weeks event and new feature show that. All basically there for spenders also that compensation 50 coupons and a pot? 10 hours down and we get that? i bet everyone was laughing in the dev chat putting that one out
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On 2017-04-14 21:07:21Show this Author Only
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  • Achroma On 2017-04-14 20:48:11
  • Hey! Since i have been namedropped aswell (duh seems i started a whole controversy) I shall adress this aswell!


    Both me and Tobei spend quite alot on this game ourselves, as stated its an inside joke (the interview/podcast with Dripsha) was alot of us *ing around and laughing doing some jokes.

    We are well aware that f2p cant reach those levels currently and well aware that the f2p community needs to be improved, i even adress parts of this in the interview (if you take the time to listen and take in all i say altough i ramble alot)


    I cannot stress enough how much of a joke the part of us being f2p is. Please dont take it so hard, it was a fun thing to do for me and something mostly to shed some light on things!

    As Tobei so perfectly said We're all here to have fun and that's the goal towards moving in the future.

    We are constantly striving to improve the game for everyone and that includes f2p!
Thank you for responding to this as well. I am glad that my fears were unfounded. I wish I would have known about the inside joke so I wouldn't have over reacted so much. I listened to the whole podcast btw, I thought it was a very interesting discussion that you two had. It offered a lot of insight into how things really go down behind the scenes. I have to say, I never thought of Ari as a hero...even in the "Evidence" he showed to prove corruption it mostly made him look like a shady son of a BEEP.

Thanks again, and keep up the good work Tobei and Achroma.
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On 2017-04-14 21:23:40Show this Author Only
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I can't believe that *ity can reach this level
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On 2017-04-14 21:40:50Show this Author Only
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LOL this is what i think. Ari and the people that Charged back there money is the only reason why, so far we get event info early. If not for them, things would of been the same

Mods Doing a Good Job????????? Are u on Drugs..You think just cause they let people exploit there Alts on Convoy/Plunder that they are doing there job. Other then that . u or them can tell me 1 good thing they have done. What changes have they brought to make the game better

Plz dont say the level 90 cap which i was level 90 about 1 min after i logged on


While u think on that ill go check that pod cast out This post was last edited by Karissaa at 2017-4-14 21:41
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Is there really no f2p who is past 55k power? I'm surprised. o_o
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On 2017-04-14 22:09:44Show this Author Only
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  • Karissaa On 2017-04-14 21:40:50
  • LOL this is what i think. Ari and the people that Charged back there money is the only reason why, so far we get event info early. If not for them, things would of been the same

    Mods Doing a Good Job????????? Are u on Drugs..You think just cause they let people exploit there Alts on Convoy/Plunder that they are doing there job. Other then that . u or them can tell me 1 good thing they have done. What changes have they brought to make the game better

    Plz dont say the level 90 cap which i was level 90 about 1 min after i logged on


    While u think on that ill go check that pod cast out This post was last edited by Karissaa at 2017-4-14 21:41
    This post was last edited by Karissaa at 2017-4-14 21:43
Now tell me ONE THING that you could have done better than Achroma. YOU SAY IT NOW
All the mod and GL can do it convey our opinion to the admin. It's the admin's choice to do it or not. You KNOW it so don't be ridiculous
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On 2017-04-14 22:44:10Show this Author Only
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You really gotta be a special kind of * to not undertand it was a joke
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On 2017-04-14 23:12:50Show this Author Only
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  • On 2017-04-14 18:45:51
  • Sorry for your experience, it's a joke in the video, but we'll also pay more attentions to the words we use in the future.
    Ofc, We'll also try our best to improve our events, too. Thank you for your words and suggestions. :)
The most amusing is they restrict someone for plundering. P2W would not vs P2W. They continue plunder the needy. Weak people just dreaming to become stronger.
If it's true, they will gain 150 coupons of plundering a day. This is really funny. They can sleep soundly without top up. huh so dont talk too much about improving the event. I'm tired of hearing it.
Arena matchmaking and matsuri are chaotic.
You guys made new section about polling so my question is what good is it?
F2P in dead server will be stronger than semi P2W in competitive server because they create another account just for events trust me ;P
oh one more thing. 50 coupons and 50 stamina potions*1 thats funny mate ;P
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On 2017-04-14 23:52:27Show this Author Only
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  • Yui Azure On 2017-04-14 23:12:50
  • The most amusing is they restrict someone for plundering. P2W would not vs P2W. They continue plunder the needy. Weak people just dreaming to become stronger.
    If it's true, they will gain 150 coupons of plundering a day. This is really funny. They can sleep soundly without top up. huh so dont talk too much about improving the event. I'm tired of hearing it.
    Arena matchmaking and matsuri are chaotic.
    You guys made new section about polling so my question is what good is it?
    F2P in dead server will be stronger than semi P2W in competitive server because they create another account just for events trust me ;P
    oh one more thing. 50 coupons and 50 stamina potions*1 thats funny mate ;P
The first thing you have to understand is:
- If you still thinking of the whole plunder system as "Strong people get money from the weak" then sorry cuz you don't have the MINDSET to be competitive in this game. Just deal with losing every single PVP fight and don't get anything from any activity/event
- So how should we see the plunder system? Free 150 coupon everyday. Don't try to act * since even a 5 y/o kids know how to raise 3 clones. If you don't want to spend for something then WORK FOR IT, don't just be lazy and keep asking why you're getting your @ss kicked (btw this apply to real lyf as well m8)
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On 2017-04-15 03:16:42Show this Author Only
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Here's the thing: Doesn't matter if people agree or not that there is a problem with the gap between p2w and f2p. The issue exists.

To delv further i must say that there are 3 categorys: p2w, low p2w, f2p.

Someone said that * f2p would be around 45k power, that is false, i myself paid so far to this game 30 dolars and with main lvl86 5* and 3 other chars with 3 stars i get 45k.
The problem is that too many people quit when they reach 82/83, only because "there is no way" they can have any chance for those high power units (most p2w) that roam around waiting for something. And focusing on this a bit further: F2p players quit in large groups with a *, p2w quit silently but in less less numbers.

I'v been playing this game since November, 2 months later i was already complaining here, how unfair and biased the dev team of this game side are making decisions. There is a big problem with this gap. I myself considered quiting the game this month if no updates came or if those updates that arrived turn'd out to be bad (as they are, gogo more pvp that only p2w can play). I'm staying now till the next month first 10 days to see if there is any change OR any info that EN Naruto Online can share about and regarding game balance. Thats the only thing i wish the most, hell i don't wish chars anymore..

Regarding last update. Come on... really? You guys planned this after knowing how bad the game balance is? Look at the voting section.. Only Jonin medals. Top 150 will be basically Jonin medals and p2w. F2p already quited Ranked Battle, Arena; and every week they don't even fight in Sage or Matsuri. AND apparently after Space Time you have Strongest Ninja. I count so far 6 permanent events that wipe any joy of playing this game from the point of f2p or even light p2w as me.

I've became numb last month, after so many angry posts and drama; today i got angry because of system errors and server connection. Then decided to peek the forum, no surprise.

There is a problem with balance. Not just a simple problem. A giant one that affects not only this game credibility, but also the joy of playing a supposedly oficial Naruto game.

My last words for now will be to humbly ask to Oasis or who ever has the power to carry a message to someone that cares:
PLEASE _O_ ; take care of game balance and as soon as possible, share your planning with the players.

Thank you for reading, ill be visiting News section reguraly. I know there are many players fighting against this type of messages, i understand why, status quo is something quite interesting to study but you guys would really enjoy the game so much more if the balance between f2p/lightP2w and P2W would be at least 60% smaller. Have a good night all.



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On 2017-04-15 03:25:47Show this Author Only
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  • PoisonScrub On 2017-04-14 21:44:11
  • Is there really no f2p who is past 55k power? I'm surprised. o_o
I'm f2p and I'm 75K power idk what y'all complaining about lol :lol
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