"She was promised in a sign in and was replaced by a ninja that players could easily piece from collection. "
It's worth pointing out that she wasn't "promised" at any point.

"You say you want to avoid repetition yet at the same time there were at least several ninjas who were repeated who were given away later than her."

It's also worth pointing out that I don't directly control ninja disbur*t. As I already said, I've already submitted the suggestion for these ninjas. Just as I've already submitted the suggestions for people that actively do not want these ninjas (there are far more of those). Keep in mind that these are just suggestions. Ultimately the higher ups determine whether these suggestions will go through. There is no guarantee that any submitted suggestion will go through. Also keep in mind that you're competing with the suggestions of other players, and that there are many more other players that do not want these two ninjas given out for free than that do, mainly because there are many more older, established players that already received the ninjas for free that do not need them and would not benefit from getting more fragments. For these players, getting a new ninja they haven't seen would be more beneficial. To them, getting Hinata or Itachi again would be like getting Omoi again for you.

That's how it was presented.

You can't get more official than an information posted in game by a developer. I'd say this takes priority over any other source (be it from the mod or otherwise). But I guess not...

Point still stands that she wasn't ditched for a "new ninja established players can benefit from" but for a repeat of previously given away freebie.

And if Mizuki, Omoi Swimsuit, Christmas Sakura, Suit Minato etc. etc. can be given away multiple times proving that it's not about satisfying veteran players - I don't see any reason why Summer Hinata couldn't be as well.

"She was promised in a sign in and was replaced by a ninja that players could easily piece from collection. "
It's worth pointing out that she wasn't "promised" at any point.

"You say you want to avoid repetition yet at the same time there were at least several ninjas who were repeated who were given away later than her."

It's also worth pointing out that I don't directly control ninja disbur*t. As I already said, I've already submitted the suggestion for these ninjas. Just as I've already submitted the suggestions for people that actively do not want these ninjas (there are far more of those). Keep in mind that these are just suggestions. Ultimately the higher ups determine whether these suggestions will go through. There is no guarantee that any submitted suggestion will go through. Also keep in mind that you're competing with the suggestions of other players, and that there are many more other players that do not want these two ninjas given out for free than that do, mainly because there are many more older, established players that already received the ninjas for free that do not need them and would not benefit from getting more fragments. For these players, getting a new ninja they haven't seen would be more beneficial. To them, getting Hinata or Itachi again would be like getting Omoi again for you.

1. She was. She was described in events with an adnotation that all information are final and correct but when the month came it was Paradise Kakashi.

2. I know that you don't have any power whatsoever. Just pointing out your logic doesn't hold water.

January sign-in ninja: Mizuki

Mizuki. Who was already given out 2? 3? times...

So those older, established players who would benefit more from a new ninja are fine with this. They are more happy with another repetition of a ninja that was for free several times before than with Summer Hinata who was only once and who they'd have a chance to 4 star. And that doesn't diminish Mizuki's exclusivity?

Mmmmmhmmm...

what about mizuki................i got mine is almost 4* in few months??????? 1st off thanks for replying, Tachibana Saeko i fully get u, but i need to clarify my self slightly more

please to be clear i didn't say avoid repetitions all together, it will definitely happen, but i am saying please repeat ninjas who were given out more than a year ago............then repeat what we just got afterwords, in otherwords mabui kimono again in the next 2 months or during this year (till dec 2021) is a bad joke, but after a year or 3 from now, it won't be, as many new players would have come that want her and will be selfish for me or any one who got her to say no, Mezuki been everywhere for at least 6months...........while as Danzo said itachi anbu was given for free 3 whole years ago come on!!!!!!! because selfish few who stayed playing for 3 years will be annoyed? many of those who have been here years ago quit and the majority here are relatively new players who don't have him....so majority will not be annoyed, and not all people are selfish and they fully understand. and won't mind 2 decent repetitions requested by others relative to other repetitions that nobody wants........also getting the ninja every once in a while is a good chance to 4* them if there is no otherway....if anbu Itachi or hina summer were at collection wouldn't have bothered asking, but look at what's going on they are repeating the same ninja we got within this year over and over.....and for somereason so fixated on not to give is certain old decent ninjas who are not there at all :(

i didn't complain back then after kakashi makeout was announced, even though i bought him earlier with coupons, cus ok...we didn't get him before and many would want him, but back then repetitions were few. for some reason in the past 6months they repeated almost all this year's free ninja and it's so hard...... looking at the poll all were repetitions except kurenai, deidara, (hashirama editted) and sasori LOL. why not make a new pull and put them? and will accept majorities ruling ^_^

(would you please make polls for every ninja) in general?

also would you please make them sign in ninja since as Danzo said oasis tend to repeat ninja in sign in. thank you for your understanding

"1. She was. She was described in events with an adnotation that all information are final and correct but when the month came it was Paradise Kakashi."
It sounds like you're referring to this line of the weekly notification post:

> > > All information present in the game is the final and correct information.

Which specifically indicates the opposite of what you are saying. It means that anything in the event notification post is subject to change and is NOT a promise.

Re: Mizuki.
The thing you're missing is that Mizuki is just like Hinata and Itachi. There's a rabid following of his fans *just like all of you* that want him put back in events, and all of you are suffering for him this month just like you all want others to suffer for Hinata and Itachi some other month. You're not seeing the bigger picture. Personally, Mizuki wouldn't have been my choice, just as Hinata and Itachi wouldn't be. I'm not sure exactly what confluence of events resulted in him being chosen, but he must have been a popular enough decision to warrant it. Again, I think he's a poor choice, just as I think Hinata and Itachi are, but as I said, I've still put in your request, so I'm not sure why you're all still arguing. If anything, Mizuki drives home how poor a choice Hinata/Itachi is, because he is for you what Hinata/Itachi is for everyone but you.

"And if Mizuki, Omoi Swimsuit, Christmas Sakura, Suit Minato etc. etc. can be given away multiple times proving that it's not about satisfying veteran players - I don't see any reason why Summer Hinata couldn't be as well."
I never said these ninjas "can't" be put into events. I would ask that you please refrain from misquoting me. Rather, I said that there are reasons *not* to put the ninjas in events, and I stand by that. As mentioned previously, there are numerous reasons to put other, newer ninjas in these high profile events, and to relegate the ninjas you want into redeemable roles, and I stand by that. There's a marked difference between wanting the opportunity to collect a ninja and begging for the ninja for free.

As for the screenshot, it's a copy paste of the forum post, and as mentioned above, text within it is superseded by the in-game events.

It's not arguing. It's discussing. And it's only because you seem to not understand the points we are making.

1. Still that information was presented in-game. It was shown in game as being correct and final information.

"All information present in the game is the final and correct information."

That's exactly what it is.

So if anything I would interpret this line as in-game bulletin takes priority over forum bulletin in case there are inconsistencies between the two. Not that the information presented in the in-game bulletin is subjected to change without prior notice. Surely if it was meant to be interpreted like that it would be phrased accordingly.

Switching it without prior notice is a poor practice and does not reflect well on the company. It's also not something that is really done either. I only recall one time when a sign-in ninja was switched and it was Sannin Jiraiya for Hanabi which is a different matter since Jiraiya is a ninja you can easily obtain fragments for from instances unlike Hinata who doesn't appear anywhere.

Lastly if anything it is a proof that they were willing to put her in sign-in so it's not exactly a lost case.

2. No.

You are missing that Mizuki is not comparable with Hinata or Itachi (I don't care about Itachi but he was brought by op so...).

I have him 4 starred which means he must've been in events at least two times before (80 + 80 + 20something fragments from random events). It would be his third time more or less.

While Hinata was given only once 1,5 years ago and is not obtainable anywhere else.

So it's at least 240 free fragments (counting this month) plus however many "loose fragments" vs 80 fragments.

It's also 18 months since appearance vs 3 months or whenever Mizuki was last present. There are more new people in the span of 18 months who would benefit from Hinata but did not have a chance to get her than there are who benefit from Mizuki.

Calculations are clear.

3. There is no misquoting.

You tried to prove your point of not putting them in events (as an 80 fragments freebie) because there are newer ninjas who would be more suitable and the company has proven your point mute. So it's clear that your reasons and stance don't reflect company stance. In which case I don't see why X persons request of Mizuki invalidates chances of Y persons request of Hinata. If someone is selfish enough to request Mizuki for a third time I don't see why I shouldn't be selfish as well and try to push for what would benefit me. And summer Hinata is not in the realms of unreasonable requests like free Ronnin Naruto of 10-tails Madara.

Noone "begs for a free ninja". I would be more than happy if she appeared in collection alongside other forgotten ninjas or in events to redeem but the company has proven it's not willing to either update the collection or put older, less common ninjas in events. (And on the rare chance they put them in events they are for a ridiculous price like 180 coupons per fragment of Chojuro or 240 for Masked Man). In my opinion there should be one spot in events reserved for older ninjas that change weekly to have a variety in what they recycle but it is what it is.

As things stand it's more reasonable to try and put her in sign-in or Myoboku (because she was already in fireworks so it's out of a question) than it is to hope she'll be in events.

4. It's great that you'll push the suggestion and I appreciate that regardless of the outcome. I guess it is more an argument against a company than it is against mods.

Now, the reason I would press for suggesting fragments from a redeemable source is because you're far more likely to get your suggestion granted if you ask for the ninjas to be put in as redeemable fragments than as the monthly sign in or as the fireworks ninja. There's one monthly sign in ninja and one fireworks ninja per month. but there are dozens upon dozens upon dozens of redeemable ninjas each month. It's far easier to slip these two ninjas into one of these many, less valuable slots, than into one of those much more valuable high profile slots.

Surely you all can see and understand that?

While I do agree that Mizuki's fragments have been collectable piecemeal for a while, ultimately his choice as the monthly sign in ninja for January has no bearing on the ninjas you want. What it comes down to is basic economics. 60+ ninja slots for redeemables and 2 slots for free ninjas. If you press for the 2 slots, chances are good you're going to miss out. But it's ultimately up to you. I will put in the suggestion for whichever you prefer. But, seriously, be aware that the Fireworks and Monthly Signin slots are hot commodities and aren't always just going to go to player whims.

So let me know.

It's not arguing. It's discussing. And it's only because you seem to not understand the points we are making.

1. Still that information was presented in-game. It was shown in game as being correct and final information.

"All information present in the game is the final and correct information."

That's exactly what it is.

So if anything I would interpret this line as in-game bulletin takes priority over forum bulletin in case there are inconsistencies between the two. Not that the information presented in the in-game bulletin is subjected to change without prior notice. Surely if it was meant to be interpreted like that it would be phrased accordingly.

Switching it without prior notice is a poor practice and does not reflect well on the company. It's also not something that is really done either. I only recall one time when a sign-in ninja was switched and it was Sannin Jiraiya for Hanabi which is a different matter since Jiraiya is a ninja you can easily obtain fragments for from instances unlike Hinata who doesn't appear anywhere.

Lastly if anything it is a proof that they were willing to put her in sign-in so it's not exactly a lost case.

2. No.

You are missing that Mizuki is not comparable with Hinata or Itachi (I don't care about Itachi but he was brought by op so...).

I have him 4 starred which means he must've been in events at least two times before (80 + 80 + 20something fragments from random events). It would be his third time more or less.

While Hinata was given only once 1,5 years ago and is not obtainable anywhere else.

So it's at least 240 free fragments (counting this month) plus however many "loose fragments" vs 80 fragments.

It's also 18 months since appearance vs 3 months or whenever Mizuki was last present. There are more new people in the span of 18 months who would benefit from Hinata but did not have a chance to get her than there are who benefit from Mizuki.

Calculations are clear.

3. There is no misquoting.

You tried to prove your point of not putting them in events (as an 80 fragments freebie) because there are newer ninjas who would be more suitable and the company has proven your point mute. So it's clear that your reasons and stance don't reflect company stance. In which case I don't see why X persons request of Mizuki invalidates chances of Y persons request of Hinata. If someone is selfish enough to request Mizuki for a third time I don't see why I shouldn't be selfish as well and try to push for what would benefit me. And summer Hinata is not in the realms of unreasonable requests like free Ronnin Naruto of 10-tails Madara.

Noone "begs for a free ninja". I would be more than happy if she appeared in collection alongside other forgotten ninjas or in events to redeem but the company has proven it's not willing to either update the collection or put older, less common ninjas in events. (And on the rare chance they put them in events they are for a ridiculous price like 180 coupons per fragment of Chojuro or 240 for Masked Man). In my opinion there should be one spot in events reserved for older ninjas that change weekly to have a variety in what they recycle but it is what it is.

As things stand it's more reasonable to try and put her in sign-in or Myoboku (because she was already in fireworks so it's out of a question) than it is to hope she'll be in events.

4. It's great that you'll push the suggestion and I appreciate that regardless of the outcome. I guess it is more an argument against a company than it is against mods.

If you continue to use a harsh tone with me, I will lock down this thread. Please keep it civil.

I'm afraid you're misunderstanding how that bulletin works. The in-game "System Announcement" or "Update Announcement" is just a rehash of the forum update that covers the same information. The one in question that is the cornerstone for your argument was a bad copy/paste. You were not "Promised" Hinata at any point. It is the stance of the company that the final product to be delivered is whatever is in the actual game when it is released. That's what that disclaimer means. Assuming that the Update Announcement takes precedence over the actual in-game items is wishful thinking.

Mizuki has indeed been available. He's available quite regularly as individual fragments. The exact thing I'm offering to submit for you for both Hinata and Itachi, which you seem quite opposed to, interestingly enough. You only want these ninjas as a full, complete redemption for free, for some reason.

I only have Mizuki at 67/100. A quick search reveals that he was a sign-in ninja once, and featured in Great Plates twice. I also know from my duties that his individual frags feature in events like Activity Bags regularly, so individual frags pop in from time to time. So this means that you probably picked up quite a few of his frags when you did Great Plates, but many others may not have. So your large personal number of fragments is an individual thing and not necessarily indicative of the entire player base.

In regards to Hinata, I agree that she has not been available for quite a while and should be made available again. Eighteen months is quite a while. By your own logic, however, As a free ninja via the sign-in method is not the right way to make her attainable, and this is the point I have attempted to make to you again and again. She has already been made a free ninja. Others have not.The one that jumps to mind, for example, is Fukurokumaru, but I'm sure there are others I could find if I glanced through the list.

You did misquote me in your previous post.

In regards to your X/Y statement, yes, it's called opportunity cost. This is the first time you all have mentioned putting these ninjas in as event redeemables rather than just getting them for free. As such, I will amend the suggestion to also include the two ninjas as event redeemables. Hopefully they can appear in an event such as Treasure of the Sage.

It's worth noting that the Collection does receive updates. GNW Shikamaru is now in there, for example.

Regardless of the argument, I'd like to you understand that it is not more reasonable to try to put her in sign-in or myoboku than events. Both of those are hotly desired slots, and if/when the higher ups decide to give a ninja out through that medium, that slot has a lot of value. There's only one of those each month. There are dozens of frag-redeemable slots each month. I can't stress enough that the monthly sign-in and myoboku slots have considerably more value than a single frag-redemption slot.

In regards to the target of your argument, I'd ask you keep that in mind when your temper flares up.

As of now, I've submitted everything that needs to be submitted for this thread, I believe. I'll keep this thread open for a few more days if you all still have anything else you need to talk about.

If you continue to use a harsh tone with me, I will lock down this thread. Please keep it civil.

I'm afraid you're misunderstanding how that bulletin works. The in-game "System Announcement" or "Update Announcement" is just a rehash of the forum update that covers the same information. The one in question that is the cornerstone for your argument was a bad copy/paste. You were not "Promised" Hinata at any point. It is the stance of the company that the final product to be delivered is whatever is in the actual game when it is released. That's what that disclaimer means. Assuming that the Update Announcement takes precedence over the actual in-game items is wishful thinking.

Mizuki has indeed been available. He's available quite regularly as individual fragments. The exact thing I'm offering to submit for you for both Hinata and Itachi, which you seem quite opposed to, interestingly enough. You only want these ninjas as a full, complete redemption for free, for some reason.

I only have Mizuki at 67/100. A quick search reveals that he was a sign-in ninja once, and featured in Great Plates twice. I also know from my duties that his individual frags feature in events like Activity Bags regularly, so individual frags pop in from time to time. So this means that you probably picked up quite a few of his frags when you did Great Plates, but many others may not have. So your large personal number of fragments is an individual thing and not necessarily indicative of the entire player base.

In regards to Hinata, I agree that she has not been available for quite a while and should be made available again. Eighteen months is quite a while. By your own logic, however, As a free ninja via the sign-in method is not the right way to make her attainable, and this is the point I have attempted to make to you again and again. She has already been made a free ninja. Others have not.The one that jumps to mind, for example, is Fukurokumaru, but I'm sure there are others I could find if I glanced through the list.

You did misquote me in your previous post.

In regards to your X/Y statement, yes, it's called opportunity cost. This is the first time you all have mentioned putting these ninjas in as event redeemables rather than just getting them for free. As such, I will amend the suggestion to also include the two ninjas as event redeemables. Hopefully they can appear in an event such as Treasure of the Sage.

It's worth noting that the Collection does receive updates. GNW Shikamaru is now in there, for example.

Regardless of the argument, I'd like to you understand that it is not more reasonable to try to put her in sign-in or myoboku than events. Both of those are hotly desired slots, and if/when the higher ups decide to give a ninja out through that medium, that slot has a lot of value. There's only one of those each month. There are dozens of frag-redeemable slots each month. I can't stress enough that the monthly sign-in and myoboku slots have considerably more value than a single frag-redemption slot.

In regards to the target of your argument, I'd ask you keep that in mind when your temper flares up.

As of now, I've submitted everything that needs to be submitted for this thread, I believe. I'll keep this thread open for a few more days if you all still have anything else you need to talk about.

If you continue to use a harsh tone with me, I will lock down this thread. Please keep it civil.

I'm afraid you're misunderstanding how that bulletin works. The in-game "System Announcement" or "Update Announcement" is just a rehash of the forum update that covers the same information. The one in question that is the cornerstone for your argument was a bad copy/paste. You were not "Promised" Hinata at any point. It is the stance of the company that the final product to be delivered is whatever is in the actual game when it is released. That's what that disclaimer means. Assuming that the Update Announcement takes precedence over the actual in-game items is wishful thinking.

Mizuki has indeed been available. He's available quite regularly as individual fragments. The exact thing I'm offering to submit for you for both Hinata and Itachi, which you seem quite opposed to, interestingly enough. You only want these ninjas as a full, complete redemption for free, for some reason.

I only have Mizuki at 67/100. A quick search reveals that he was a sign-in ninja once, and featured in Great Plates twice. I also know from my duties that his individual frags feature in events like Activity Bags regularly, so individual frags pop in from time to time. So this means that you probably picked up quite a few of his frags when you did Great Plates, but many others may not have. So your large personal number of fragments is an individual thing and not necessarily indicative of the entire player base.

In regards to Hinata, I agree that she has not been available for quite a while and should be made available again. Eighteen months is quite a while. By your own logic, however, As a free ninja via the sign-in method is not the right way to make her attainable, and this is the point I have attempted to make to you again and again. She has already been made a free ninja. Others have not.The one that jumps to mind, for example, is Fukurokumaru, but I'm sure there are others I could find if I glanced through the list.

You did misquote me in your previous post.

In regards to your X/Y statement, yes, it's called opportunity cost. This is the first time you all have mentioned putting these ninjas in as event redeemables rather than just getting them for free. As such, I will amend the suggestion to also include the two ninjas as event redeemables. Hopefully they can appear in an event such as Treasure of the Sage.

It's worth noting that the Collection does receive updates. GNW Shikamaru is now in there, for example.

Regardless of the argument, I'd like to you understand that it is not more reasonable to try to put her in sign-in or myoboku than events. Both of those are hotly desired slots, and if/when the higher ups decide to give a ninja out through that medium, that slot has a lot of value. There's only one of those each month. There are dozens of frag-redeemable slots each month. I can't stress enough that the monthly sign-in and myoboku slots have considerably more value than a single frag-redemption slot.

In regards to the target of your argument, I'd ask you keep that in mind when your temper flares up.

As of now, I've submitted everything that needs to be submitted for this thread, I believe. I'll keep this thread open for a few more days if you all still have anything else you need to talk about.

I don't think anything new can be said about the topic.

"Either bring older ninjas in events more (increase the poll of rewards given in events to include power items, old ninjas, new ninjas) or finally put old "freebies" that were given away in collection..."

That's what I said in my very first post in this topic on 27-12-2020. Perhaps I didn't speciffically said Summer Hinata but the intent was there. As such your statement that:

"This is the first time you all have mentioned putting these ninjas in as event redeemables rather than just getting them for free." is false and a misinformation.

As for Mizuki as Anbu ninja said he was also in 3v3:

https://forum-narutoen.oasgames.com/page/show-post-44359-1.html

I know where I got my fragments from.

As for Fukurokumaru he WAS given for free in 2016's Christmas advent calendar.

Now. I agree that it was ages ago and I wouldn't mind him appearing again for newer players to get. But going by your logic he shouldn't appear as an 80 fragments freebie because he was already given away once, right?

And mentioning GNW Shikamaru in regards to collection updates... They updated ONE ninja since the last redeemable scroll came out which was September 2019. Because last collection scroll didn't have ninjas obtainable for points. It was one update of one ninja for 1,5 year. If that is the rate they plan to adhere to - I don't think I have to say anything else... Oh, and they swapped (was it Make out Kakashi?) with Sage Jiraiya. That's it.

Edit.

Also it's not like I'm salty because Mizuki appeared for a third time. It's that he appeared for a third time in a span of a year. Too much, too soon.

For example, you can give us already given ninja in mini-client in every month.

So It will be 3-4 free ninjas in month (Fireworks, daily sign-in and in mini-client and 3 vs 3 arena) And sometimes in Myoboku.

In Fireworks only not given ninja and in daily sign-in

Myoboku and 3 vs 3 can re-give ninja

Mini Client give free ninja each month???

I don't know guys,we might ask too much

if we make them give free ninja too much, eventually they will give super rare ninja

Imagine this,u save 4 month for Shisui Kimono,and when u feel all special,BOOM they give him for free.

Some good ninja that was give away is actually a bad choice. Example:Kurenai summer,NY Hashirama

This game is about saving,So save ninja through event.

Thank You

another suggestion not to start a whole new thread, Madara uchiha (obito) 5 kage summit....