Haha, Jinchuriki ninja wont heal your team almost 50% of max hp, and Healing tips stacks while providing cc. You saying that just proves my point, I shouldn't have to change mains, or teams etc just to counter a class which is obviously broken. Also, you haven't read what I wrote, I just showed how water main doesn't just poison, it also heals a * amount and can cc.

If someone says hey if i was water i would beat u, why wouldnt i tell them to go water to prove it. As i stated i have beaten stronger way more power then me water class people and i didnt want there to be any doubt in his mind.

About the saying i would win, that was just a joke before the 2 new ninja came out thats Wednesday and he brought them both

Now the last part You Forgot the most important thing and thats the BRAIN, Im water, i have gotten in fights with him and lost, Some people think im pretty good at playing my class, Yet i could not beat him

That water guy that beat him was weaker then me, but used his BRAIN, made a formation that i never would of came up with, Switch his talents Mags runes and other stuff around, talked to people on the server like myself that have gotten into fights with mystic, did duels with myself and others.

So Dont u DARE come on here and say O hes water. So thats why he won, NO he put in the Dam work, and thats why he WON, Also if people wonder who that player name is.

His name is Dien and to me the best dam water player in this game, well thats until i beat him

But lets not forget that part where if you stack healing passive u can do like 20k+ healing with just a skill. Saying you need brain to beat a healer stacking team is like being absolutely sure the earth is flat.

There will always be a class that's somewhat stronger than the others in every game. Regardless of how hard you try to balance things.

Water immortal teams are a pain i give you that. They are hard to kill and work against most opponents. But you know, fightnig againsta fully buffed DP Hidan and a fire main usually ends up in defeat if you use water (or many other classes for that matter).

The water meta with tenten is the only meta lineup that can be easily gotten by f2p and small spenders so no wonder it's all over the place. Fire earth and lightning metas require more time/money in order to be as effective. For lightning blitz if you dont go first you are dead so you have to spend a lot in initiative as well.

Is water strong? yes

Is it easier to make very strong teams using water mains than the other 4? yes

Is the water teams the strongest? No, paying players have access to extremely powerful ninjas such as DP Hidan, Ay or the susanoos.

Is the bootleg immortal team a pain? Hell yes, but you need hokage tsunade and she is a premium ninja. So odds are you would loose against that player anyways if he has access to such ninjas and you don't.

Besides all of this is a mute point. As far as i understand Oasis can't nerf/buff ninjas without Tencent's consent (publisher can't modify gameplay, only events/rewards, etc.). So you really think tencent will ever hear about our complaints?

Looks like a big BRAIN cannot stomach a different point of view.

I never said I lost because it's water, honestly, I don't usually lose to water if they are strictly within 5-7k of my power. I honestly don't care, I just care that water has everything and this * water meta is working for people, water has * heals and cc. What, you are telling me to use a brain? Ok, listen, you have a class which has everything available, how good is my brain if I'm ccd, or poisoned first round? You ARE water and are playing AGAINST water, you haven't realised that? Both of you have the same * class, that is where your brain is involved, but playing against a decent water team as another main is a pain, and is really frustrating when they have everything offered to them and they don't get their main nerfed.

By the way notice how you are saying that you can beat them, which is irrelevant as you also are water and you don't understand how it feels playing against water as something else, but you haven't given me proof on how water isn't op and has everything at their disposal? Interesting right? I proved everything I said in the original post. In this reply you just gave me you said nothing about how to beat this, but please amuse me.

Of course people are playing Water Main teams. It is the only way to stop the very very OP Lightning Main teams. There's really almost nothing else that can win from a Lightning team.

And it's really sad that Water Main teams have such a low base power. Those Lightning teams can do 5 more different TIs because the BP is badly calculated for Lightning teams. It's basically unfair since Water Tenten teams have such a low base attacking power.

Fortunately we all know from the chinese version that Lightning will get more opposition soon with better Fire and Earth teams coming. Otherwise people can only play Water teams to counter the OP Lightning teams.

(I'm not asking for a nerf of the Lightning teams, besides it's better for everyone if Earth, Wind and Fire got buffed to compensate anyway.)

I play earth with a team which relies on a cc and has quite high damage with a bit of tanking, great overall and I'm having tons of fun. Lightning has never been a problem, the only Op lightning team I would say is blitz, but that only works well with higher bp as it consists of buffing a certain character and that shows a clear weakness. Root of the warrior could also be considered op. But water in my opinion are much worse, yes that lightning has good defence and offence, but can we really compare it to water? I would say lightning is very good, one of the best in fact. I completely agree with the buffing of wind and earth, I think fire and lightning are completely fine as it is at the moment. But water has a bit of everything, and it's not like it's weak. The solution isn't making everything op by buffing everything. It's should consist of balancing. We want this buffing and nerfing system to be more like LoL, that being toning down characters to change the meta or make things more balanced. We DO NOT however want this system to be like DOTA, where I've heard they make everything OP, and that is the wrong way to approach this system. Everyone might say "Oasis is bad, they just want the money", that may be so, but if they wanna start doing thing right, this is how to start. Believe it or not every version is different, having different buffs and nerfs occur for each one could be a bonus as here people might use a specific team at a specific range but in CN for example it might be different. Of course not changing the cases (eg knockdown into lowfloat, adding cc to is is fine), I still want to use my combo simulator xD

XD So they should just leave water? Btw one of the strongest teams ever is water, and for paying players, the 6 tails, Tsunade Kage, and Sailor Sakura. Tencent could probably do something about this in due time, if Oas actually puts some effort in for the players.

EDIT: Water can heal Hidan in no time, and Hidan Literally kills himself, water survives XD

Allow me to describe you....

Earth main defense growth is higher than water main.

Water main resistance growth is higher than earth main.

Now as you can see, both have their equally share of defense growth, one's more to sustain standard attacks, the other more for elemental dmg sustain.

You cant complaint about earth main, it's just how you build and how you play it...

P.S : You can go easy way out, which is earth meta team.

But i agree when people say "Poison is the strongest dmg in the game" cuz it stacks, simple as that. all you need is a Gakido or Hanzo, if you dont even have Gakido in your team, then it's your fault.

Uhm. No. So me not having Gakido means it's my fault? No, again, why should I have to change my team because a class is broken.

Earth meta being hanzo, onoki and gakido? No I don't have those ninja. I think you are missing the HP :) Water has shouldn't have better tank growth stats than earth. I'm not complaining about earth, I enjoy earth. You obviously didn't read. I said Water main has too many things, and one of the things is that it has better growth stats on tank attributes than Earth

2322 / 929 / 1027 / 1093 / 1296 [Water] 2303 / 983 / 1204 / 663 / 931 [Earth ] (Exactly in order in game, descending order), look at the numbers, you can't argue with numbers. It's *, earth should have more resistance specially because shields are with resistance....

So allow me to describe you, you sir, are wrong, the tanky attributes being resis, def, hp favour Water not earth. How many times do I have to say, MAKING ME CHANGE TEAMS BECAUSE A CLASS IS OVERPOWERED IS WRONG, thank you.

Someone who whas a 6-8 tails and tsunade hokage will surely also have itachi susanoo, ay, susanoo sasuke, roshi or han. Plus odds are higher initiative values and magatamas than you. They could switch their lineup and you would loose.

You just described one of the most expensive and powerful teams in the game, of course it will be overpowered.

Also no, if you have similar BP, DP hidan in move 1 will absolutely destroy tsunade hokage in 1 turn. Specially if you buff him with fire main + Barrier. And i haven't even touched on the possibility of adding Ay to the mix. I run a water teams, both tenten and roshi/han. Every time I face a DP Hidan i know odds are I will loose.

As far as I know, at some point with GNW characters water immortal teams loose their shine so it gets balanced by the available ninjas.

For arguments sake lets imagine water was nerfed. This argument would just change to "Lightning main is OP nerf him", anever ending circle of useless rants. Instead of complainig and wanting to nerf water why not ask for buffs on the 2 most underused classes which are earth and wind. Now that's something I would agree on and it would be a much more sensible argument too.

What, lightning main? Lightning and Earth are fine, wind needs serious buffs imo, and earth maybe minor ones. If water get's toned down it will be fine. You said, if you paid a lot then you wouldn't use water main, and I told u one of the most common "p2w " teams XD Btw Hidan is nice, but he isn't as powerful as you describe, yes he does tons of damage, actually I am using him in my team. But water just heals right up. Doing what, like around 1/4 to 1/2 someones hp, then healing tips comes with tsunade which is 40+45% and they get healed up again? What you are saying to me is, if you want to win vs water, just pay xD.

So if the enemy has more power than you, would you run any team other than a variation of the immortal water main team? The fact that a main character can bridge a 10-30k BP difference is absurd. You can go on about counters and so on, truth is, if you can't kill them in 1 combo, you will probably lose to poison. I don't think that there is any other 1 class that requires you to build a team specifically to counter is, the bane of lightning armor blitz is a ninja that can dodge or any ninja that can actually survive the initial combo, and immortal teams have those sort of ninja with either Roshi / Naruto[tailed beast] etc.

As for buffing Earth / Wind, I have no problem with that, but the biggest issue still remains the sheer power and statistical advantage of Azure Fang over other mains.

[*] Why does Azure Fang have better overall defensive stats than a ninja that's intended to be a tank?

If you make the argument that it's a support than give her the stats of a support, an Azure Fang should not be able to take as much punishment as a tank just to heal it back up.

[*] why does Azure Fang's poison stack when her own ninja attack?

Poison stacks up to 4 times, while playing Azure Fang you c*most 100% of the time get 4 poison stacks on at least 1 enemy after the first round, from there it's a ticking time bomb, the fact that you can casually apply a strong status effect with the greatest of ease with any attack / chase seems dumb to me, I'm sorry.

[*] Why does Azure Fang's heal remove all debuffs?

It's a 0 cost mystery that heals a good chunk and removes all debuffs, you can call me crazy but that's a bit too much. While Scarlet Blaze has access to a shield that also makes his team immune for the turn, Azure Fang has a stacking healing tips passive, a weak shield is nothing compared to a juicy boosted heal. I don't mind her having heals, nor am I upset with her having good utility through debuff clearing or CC, the fact that you don't need to make a choice and you can basically just eat the cake and leave it whole is a bit too much.

I'm play Crimson Fist / Breeze Dancer for the most part, and I don't mind facing anyone, since for me it's a challenge, but failing to see that something's not right on the balance side of things, you're basically lying to yourself. You can go on and say that other classes will rise, but for the most part they're easy to take on compare to Azure Fang.

Whats a lie?? Here are FACTS, i can tell u just from what i have seen and maybe u can compare

I look at me server top 10 ranking in power, are they all water ? i mean water so broken, and cant lose, everyone should be playing it right? i mean people dont like to lose which is why they also spend money on the game, to not lose, but check out your power ranking and if all top 10 are water plz SS then i will take water is op serious

Space time, when was last time some water in your group won it?? Water So op it should not be called space time, but WATER time, its been weeks since a water, has won my group space time, but plz as well show me a SS of all 4 water reaching the end of space, cause i mean Water is so OP why would u play anything else

Just cause u want to be lazy or cause u feel the need to not change up your team by adding a ninja, or changing a talent or spending money does not make a class OP just cause u as a player do not want to Adapt

Ok, so they want to be competitive, but they want to have fun, it's a game, that's why they keep going, they enjoy the game. They would rather spend money and be another class than spending money and being a *, I want to win, so do people in my server, there are a few water in my servers rank, they either only have ninja to go with water, or want to do ninja exam, we all understand Water mains current situation, playing water isn't fun, I mean if you enjoy smashing your head against the keyboard then it might be but that is besides the point. I'm not water, I find it boring, so I'm not playing it, I SHOULDN'T GET PUNISHED BY NOT WANTING TO PLAY THIS CLASS. Plus, power doesn't mean you automatically win.

You know, some people actually play games for fun, but how would you know? you're one of those who participate in WATER time battles.

I enjoy coming up with strategies and teams, I do change my teams on a weekly basis, trying ninja out etc., I could be going for cheap wins with water, but what's the point?

I can tell you for a fact that among out top 10 in server we have :

3x Water main

2x Fire main

2x Wind main

2x Earth main

1x Lightning main

As you can see, there are more water mains than anything else. You want facts? then here we go

1. Water main has the best stat line out of all mains by far, beating earth in defensive stats (more HP, slightly lower defense, much higher resistance), ninjutsu is almost as high as wind main's and attack comparable to both earth and lightning.

2. Positioning of passives makes it so you have a lot of utility with no real drawback, water main is overloaded as a result, you get huge healing with a tanky stat line and good control to go along with poison DoT which can be applied by anyone on your team (a pretty good deal I must say).

3. The only counter to those high end immortal teams is killing them on the first few turns, and to that I say, good luck! Sakura[Sailor Uniform] is beefy, with healing whenever she takes damage, passive heal to go along with he standard attacks and a prompt team heal that removes all debuffs. Now add healing tips on top of that (45% from Tsunade[5th hokage] + 40% from Azure Fang), so at this point you have 3 healers, 95% boost to healing, AoE poison that's applied each turn, and damaging Sakura heas her. So you might be thinking, bring ignites! well that's true that ignite cancels healing but do remember that healing also cancels ignites, and with 3 healers, 2 of which have prompt full team heals that clears all debuffs, and good luck trying to kill them in 1~2 turns.

You can argue as much as you want, water is too dominant even when facing higher power opponents in most cases you squeeze a win, and it has nothing to do with you outplaying your opponent by any means, it's the fact that the opponent can't disable 3 ninja every turn while also keeping himself clear of poison, and possibly ignites if he runs Roshi / Naruto etc.

My first and last post for this topic. TLTR

Forcing me to change in order to counter a class is *.

Can you explain how this become *?

I'll give you a scenario.

One day you are a high school student at Bla bla school. Your teacher confronted you that you need to study more to pass 3rd year high school or else you will fail. The question is will you pass your current year? The answer is NO. Why? Because you don't want to study. You don't want to CHANGE, you still want to be the same you failing in class, instead of changing and studying.

Now I will ask you this? Who is the * one now? Your teacher that told you to study to pass your grade or YOU that doesn't want to change resulting for you to fail?

This is a basic *ogy that I showed you just to see how your brain works. In real life, you need to change if you want to get something. You will work hard to earn money. You need to change. And that view can be applied here. If you are a crimson fist that can't beat a water main just change to lightning. Problem solved. You can't just go there and force your own earth main to beat a water main unless you pay real money to scale your power and get better ninjas.

The fight is something like this:

Earth Main = specialty defense. If you don't have ninjas that has high attacks you can't win against Water main which specialty is healing + resistance. What do you need to beat a WATER MAIN? Lightning Main someone that has high ATTACK. Attack that is so high he can dish out too much damage in 1 round. You will never beat a RESISTANCE + HEALING ninja with Earth Main unless you have a 2 ninjas in your team that can immobilize 3 of your opponent team.

I will give you another *ogy. One day your mother ask you to go to the LIBRARY which is an hour of commute from your house and research about Lizards. Now as a current generation your household has the INTERNET connection. What will you do? Go to the town and waste an hour of your life just to do things that hard-way or just research the internet and be finished in less than 2 minutes? Your scenario is like this. You want to do it the hard way instead of trying the things that could solve your problems easily.

Now the choice is in your hands. Will you change to your main to defeat a WATER MAIN or you will stay to your principles : I don't need to change my main to win, bla bla bla. Because if you will stay as EARTH main and can't win, blame yourself for your own *!ty. NO one can save you. Remain as an earth main and suffer defeat from the rest of your life here or change to another main and start winning? It's your turn to make a choice: Am I *? or I will going to do my homework and start winning?