The question i have is, does it boost her damage to male chars. or all ninjas on the team get increase damage to male chars.

It boosts her damage to male characters.

Boosts her damage to male characters.

I do agree that Mei is too..."perfect" in what she does.

All other ninjas in Kage have some sort of balanced and downside - excpet Mei.

Mei can poison, ignite, immobile and acupuncture as well as her +25% damage to males...
She has no downfall what so ever.

Not a lot of people use her for the acu or poison thou, and those two certainly aren't reliable. The acu usually only matters if enemy only have a single debuff layer remover (most people run full or 2 debuff removal, if any). And only water main care for the poison, as they are the only one that can stack it to anything useful(as long as pile on enough other debuff&cc to make them *, as poison have low removal priority)

She does have downfall in being somewhat reliant on her barrier. Her chakra cost is middle of the road @60, which is actually mildly awkward. And finally, she doesn't chase her own mystery, which means that you can "interrupt" her work by CCing her OR another ninja, which makes countering her much easier

That said, she is one of the most versatile rare tier ninja, perhaps only danzo matches her as far as versatility is concerned.
I do find it laughable that people keeps bringing the 25% anti-male thing up thou, she doesn't actually hit all that hard, not even against males, especially not her mystery if you consider that it's a 60 chakra cost mystery (which, btw, also have the issue of having largely random targets). Her mystery damage is only good if the ignition *s, so talking about her damage AND about her ignite as if it's two separate "power" is silly. Granted, that might be different if more buffs are stacked to boost her damage, but that's kinda true for any ninja. My wind team (I'm wind main) deals by far more damage then the team I have mei on, thou the team I have mei on is my preferred PvP as it's more versatile and less likely to be countered.

To be fair, if there will be "adjustments", mei is more likely to be nerfed than many others. But people are most certainly exaggerating the problem here.

Useful post as always Luka :victory: youre too pure for this community ;P

judging on chinese simulator, mei is still exactly the same as is now also there, so no nerf close at all (and there's no reason to, to be honest).

In the big list of ninja growths, she is listed as having really low Ninjutsu growth, thet related to many other, more common ninja. That's also a factor when thinking of her damage potential.

I wasn't saying she should be nerfed. I just asked if anyone found 4 debuffs plus a buff for a single ninja a little excessive.

As for her relying on her barrier, the Poison is probs the least problematic debuff (imo) so she doesn't actually need the barrier to be deadly. Again, imo. And as for her Mystery costing 60 Chakra, most of the time she's in a team with a Chakra generator (usually Mabui) so she c*e her Mystery round 2. And her not being able to chase her own Mystery isn't a strong defense since you have 3 other ninjas (plus a possible Summon) for tht.

Again, I wasn't saying she needed to be nerfed. I had just noticed how many debuffs (plus a buff) she had and thought it was kind of excessive and wondered if anyone else thought the same. Isn't tht what the forums are for, to express your thoughts among other members for fun? :P

yup, I think Mei is too strong, they should reduce it...
Danzo has only 2 debuffs, Darui 1, Onoki interruption in standard attack which I wouldn't call debuff

she is squishy... learn her weakness and you can fuk her up

my personal experiences with Mei are:

1) Takes a hit
2) You can't take a hit from her
3) You can't heal (ignite)
4) You can't use skills (acupuncture + immobile)
5) Mei team faster than you, you lose...

Personally, I can sometimes beat Mei, but she is a Super Rare tier ninja.
Tendo, Chikamatsu, Hashirama, Ay, are all easier to deal with, due to different ways of countering them.

I won't say that Mei IS unkillable, she definitelly is possible to counter, but the problem is... She counters more things than there are things that counter her.

The only 2 ways I found to beat her, while being slower on initiative are:
1) Poison/Ignite her to death (Poison Tai, or various sources of ignition)
2) Be lightning Main and play Sth like Asuma WB, Iruka, Sasuke, to just kill one ninja with standards from lght main.

The whole "she is squishy" applies only to the 2 situations listed above, or 100% blitz teams.
Tank and balance teams cannot do anything, while facing this monster. I won't say she is Kimimaro level tank, but she is definitely not Kakashi level of squishiness.

I won't say she needs to be nerfed, but at the same time I can't agree with the choices made while making a talentset for this character.

Another argument I see here, her damage is low. Her damage takes away half of my whole team's health, it's as high, if not higher than GNW1010 most of the time, + it ignites the whole team.
Her not chasing her mystery is the only argument valid, that I agree makes dealing with her remotely possible, but still is not enough to compensate for all other advantages she has.

She's fine and balanced, imo. I can follow the same logic with every Kage rare too.
Let's take Darui for example : His high chase paralyzes 3 ninjas, he attacks twice with barrier on, his standard attack may cause paralyze, his mystery paralyzes hell a lot of people, he is a swordman so he can fit root teams and as root of warrior teams are going viral he fits well those kinds with his chakra nature and barrier :D

I saw people making a thread abt Darui saying so and asking to nerf him ... And, personally i find him quite useless myself.

I have all Kage rares and i find everyone too perfect for his meta, no complaints ! (except Onoki for now).

I have to disagree with the argument that her dmg is low. Maybe without buffs perhaps, but every team she's in usually has her buffed like crazy. So a lot of the time she can take away 25-50% of your team's HP. Her combo rate seems pretty high as well, since she gets a full combo 50-75% of the time, it seems.

And she's extremely deadly in both Arena and Ranked. Arena due to having 100 lv stats, and Ranked since you can't really counter her since it's auto.

Honestly, I just think it's ridiculous with how they set-up her talents. She is most certainly not balanced in terms of talents. No ninja that has more than 2 debuffs (plus a buff) is balanced, in my honest opinion. This post was last edited by DarkDremora at 2017-4-21 08:41

The buff bit applies to every ninja, so it's irrelevant.
Maybe 100% buff stacked from a few sources boost her lowish damage to high damage, but the same will boost a high damage mystery into deadly.
My wind team, for example, if it all goes without a hitch, c*most wipe an enemy of similar power by end of round 2 if they don't have heals/shield. Mei's damage is not anywhere near that. Of course, Mei team is better in terms of reliability due to a number of reasons, but as far as raw damage potential goes, Mei is certainly NOT a winner.

Mei's damage is only good if the target is male AND the ignition *s (or alternatively, if you consider the amount of healing denied on a heal-removal, which only pure cleanse, like gakido/dance, gets around).

And frankly, it's rather childish to just count the debuffs, only people who can't form actual argument would resort to counting things
I mean seriously, which is stronger:
apply chaos to all enemy
Or apply blind, paralysis, acupuncture, immobile to ONE enemy at the same time (so you can't split them)

The former is ONE debuff, and most people would consider that OP if it can be easily done. The latter? it's rather insignificant, while it certainly hard CCs ONE target, for all intend and purposes 2 of the debuff does nothing other than making cleanse more difficult.
Granted, Mei's debuff aren't as "useless" as that (thou tbh paralysis is probably better than that poison a lot of the time). But then again at least I'm not adding sleep to the list, since immobile and sleep are never applied together since they don't stack (nor chaos, which is MOSTLY stronger than immobile, but isn't 100%)

So in reality, you need to consider what those buff/debuff DO.

In Mei's case?
ignition + anti-male buff patches up her damage to be on par with other high cost jutsu nukes
immobile is her REAL reliable debuf
Acupuncture is a unreliable debuff, which gives a nice boost that brings her up to "rare" tier.
Poison does very little, just a bit "extra", which might put her slightly over rare tier, but not super rare tier

So do I consider her better than most rares? yes, yes I do. But by no mean is it excessive like some of you make it sound.

So stop just counting stuff, if that's your only argument, you have no argument. You need to actually think about what the stuff DO and form an actual logical argument from that.

Oh my god! Doesn't matter if she can only really affect 1 ninja with her debuffs (which ignition affects up to 9, and poison 2), the point is she has 4 debuffs which is a bit excessive for a SINGLE ninja! THAT'S the "argument" I'm trying to make! Not how effective the debuffs are, but the fact she has 4 of them, while 2 affect multiple ninjas!

Apparently you haven't comprehended what my original post that started this * thread is about! So maybe YOU need to think before acting all * high and mighty!

And AGAIN! I'm not saying ANYTHING about her needing to be nerfed! I'm just sharing my thoughts on the matter which is what the forums are about! Jesus Christ... -_-'

What is your point then? 4 is just an arbitrary number, what LOGICAL reason do you have to say it's too many?
What are you going to complain about next?
The fact that Chiyo ten puppet have 6 chases when 3 is the maximal otherwise?
The fact that Hokage Tsunade can heal up to 12 targets when 9 is the maximal otherwise?
The fact that Sasori 100 puppet can summon 5-8 puppets at once when 4 is the maximal otherwise(btw, there is only one 4 and I think one 3, rest are 2s and 1s)?
At least Boss Hinata is not in the game yet, or maybe you won't like the fact that she causes 32 combo and chases 64 combo. (well, there is just one chase 20 right now, maybe you take issue with that too?)

You are complaining about some arbitrary number without actual logical reason to say WHY it is too much, that's not "thought" as it involves no thinking.

WHY is 4 excessive. You can't say something is excessive simply because it have more than others, there will ALWAYS be one that have the most (thou there might be ties)

P.S. I am actually somewhat surprised at the number of ninjas whose jutsu affects 9 targets.

I've already stated why I think having 4 debuffs for a single ninja is too many...Because a single ninja in a team of 4 having so many debuffs is unbalanced (though really, this game has balancing issues in general). Why do you think so many players, for a time, were AFs with Mabui-Mei-GNW Tenten? There are a lot of other rarer ninjas than Mei that don't even have 3 debuffs, and they're no more useful than her in terms of stats. Not really.

And no, I'm not gonna complain about Ten Puppet Chiyo having so many chases because her chases are weak in dmg, so that balances it out; and Tsunade being able to heal 12 units is only useful in ranked, GNW or TI, so that balances that out. As for the Hinata you mentioned, I'm sure she's gonna be a p2w ninja exclusive, so I'm sure she's gonna be BS in terms of her talents.
P.S. Look, we're obviously not gonna see eye-to-eye on this, so how about we drop it? I just posted a simple question and, of course, people blew it out of proportions and made it more than it needed to be. -_-'
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First, i wouldn't count them 4 because most of them are unceratin to happen.
1-Acupuncutre, only if she starts combo.
2-Poison, only if she wins the barrier.
3-Immobile, only if she does chase .. and she does't even chase her mystery. Now, people will say it's no problem you c*e an other ninja to link in --> cc that ninja and it's over :D

Second, 4 is just a number. Almost every ninjas has 3 passives/chases but some of em are useful and some of em are useless :D