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On 2017-01-07 10:33:35Show this Author OnlyDescending Order
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So water is a little broken now, the neurotoxin talent seems to be going off all the time. Had a few matches where water mains shark mystery inflicted chaos on my whole team turn 2, pretty much game over after that. GNW Tenten for some reason was buffed to no cooldown on mystery and a 15% crit increase for 3 turns instead of the old two. Turn 1 mystery is just *, since she does so much damage. You are forced to have and use a control ability on her just to make sure she won't use her skill on you.

I felt the mains were semi balanced before 2.0 with only minor tweeks here and there to bring them closer together but now it seems like they are way off balance.
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On 2017-01-07 12:05:20Show this Author Only
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Whole team, eh?
So no clones or what?
No genjutsu mirror reflection? That absolutely RUINS super shark bomb.

As for the % chance of inflicting crit. with neurotoxin . . I haven't checked it out yet with super shark bomb . . but that's because of the risk of genjutsu mirror. I usually use either Skewer (One Punch Azure Fang) or her heal mystery.

Side note, Skewer is such a good ability imo because it is also Tai jutsu and thus can inflict poison Tai asap, unlike shark bomb. Then you can happily neurotoxin the enemy as you've wasted any genjutsu mirror.

Overall, she shouldn't be applying chaos onto your WHOLE team . .because then your team, no offense, probably *s. Show us your team, maybe?
And furthermore, mains like fire can now apply a mini root of warrior and shield with his mystery. Pretty sure it also debuffs. Dance of impetus? etc. etc.
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On 2017-01-07 12:47:50Show this Author Only
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  • JustAClone On 2017-01-07 12:05:20
  • Whole team, eh?
    So no clones or what?
    No genjutsu mirror reflection? That absolutely RUINS super shark bomb.

    As for the % chance of inflicting crit. with neurotoxin . . I haven't checked it out yet with super shark bomb . . but that's because of the risk of genjutsu mirror. I usually use either Skewer (One Punch Azure Fang) or her heal mystery.

    Side note, Skewer is such a good ability imo because it is also Tai jutsu and thus can inflict poison Tai asap, unlike shark bomb. Then you can happily neurotoxin the enemy as you've wasted any genjutsu mirror.

    Overall, she shouldn't be applying chaos onto your WHOLE team . .because then your team, no offense, probably *s. Show us your team, maybe?
    And furthermore, mains like fire can now apply a mini root of warrior and shield with his mystery. Pretty sure it also debuffs. Dance of impetus? etc. etc.
No clones, running MB so no genjutsu mirror for me. I suppose I should run root, though itd only help half the team. Also only 77 so no access to 4th on mystery or 2nd passive. The only problem with the debuff skills like dance and whatnot is they only work if the character isn't under control effects. once that happens you can't use the skill to debuff anyway.

My team is
*X
Sasuke MB Hinata
X Guy X
Shadow blade, assassins blade, lightning sword, anbu, bloodthirsty, shark This post was last edited by Ryukashin at 2017-1-7 12:49
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On 2017-01-07 14:31:15Show this Author Only
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You either use lightning armor to first round burst or root of warrior and second round burst
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On 2017-01-07 14:36:07Show this Author Only
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Hush up noob stop complain
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On 2017-01-07 14:42:47Show this Author Only
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"I felt the mains were semi balanced before 2.0 with only minor tweeks here and there to bring them closer together but now it seems like they are way off balance."
sorry but... they really aren't ;P. This post was last edited by Triggs at 2017-1-7 14:46
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On 2017-01-08 03:26:29Show this Author Only
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  • RyoheiYagyuu On 2017-01-07 14:31:15
  • You either use lightning armor to first round burst or root of warrior and second round burst
You can't use lightning armor first round to prevent debuffs anymore, the change to it makes it remove debuffs (which doesn't seem to work, as the ignite and poison stacks remained after activation) instead of making you immune. Once you are under chaos, acupuncture, etc, you don't have the ability to activate lightning armor.
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On 2017-01-08 04:45:59Show this Author Only
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  • Ryukashin On 2017-01-07 12:47:50
  • No clones, running MB so no genjutsu mirror for me. I suppose I should run root, though itd only help half the team. Also only 77 so no access to 4th on mystery or 2nd passive. The only problem with the debuff skills like dance and whatnot is they only work if the character isn't under control effects. once that happens you can't use the skill to debuff anyway.

    My team is
    *X
    Sasuke MB Hinata
    X Guy X
    Shadow blade, assassins blade, lightning sword, anbu, bloodthirsty, shark This post was last edited by Ryukashin at 2017-1-7 12:49
Errrr...as MB why would you not use root of warrior with all the fire wind and water main cc's everywhere? Get rid of hinata and replace her with kimimaro
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On 2017-01-08 19:33:52Show this Author Only
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mate, they changed it because Tencent has changed it, not Oasis. Also, you think Tenten lauching her mys in round 1 is *? Just wait until you get nuke by Tendo Pain with his mystery ( no battlefield cooldown, costs 80 charka and breaks the current barrier on the field.
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On 2017-01-08 20:18:05Show this Author Only
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  • Ryukashin On 2017-01-08 03:26:29
  • You can't use lightning armor first round to prevent debuffs anymore, the change to it makes it remove debuffs (which doesn't seem to work, as the ignite and poison stacks remained after activation) instead of making you immune. Once you are under chaos, acupuncture, etc, you don't have the ability to activate lightning armor.
You never could cancel debuffs with Light Armor, but it makes you immune to them after you cast it. As far as i know it didn't change at all, they just changed text.
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On 2017-01-08 20:24:00Show this Author Only
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  • Dym On 2017-01-08 20:18:05
  • You never could cancel debuffs with Light Armor, but it makes you immune to them after you cast it. As far as i know it didn't change at all, they just changed text.
they did change it, its worse now
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On 2017-01-08 21:19:04Show this Author Only
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  • On 2017-01-08 20:24:00
  • they did change it, its worse now
Which part did they change then, cause it looks EXACTLY the same to me, apart from text change, skill is same.
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On 2017-01-08 23:45:20Show this Author Only
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I have GNW1010 and mines not been buffed. You sure about that?
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On 2017-01-09 06:42:47Show this Author Only
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  • LargeBoy On 2017-01-08 23:45:20
  • I have GNW1010 and mines not been buffed. You sure about that?
Yeah Battlefield cooldown on her mystery was removed allowing her to go off turn 1, and her crit buff lasts an extra turn now.
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On 2017-01-09 06:49:24Show this Author Only
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So, you got really bad controll stats?
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On 2017-01-09 07:04:47Show this Author Only
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  • LargeBoy On 2017-01-08 23:45:20
  • I have GNW1010 and mines not been buffed. You sure about that?
You c*e her mystery first round now as long as you have 60 chakra. I have mabui that gives 40 chakra so 40 + 20 = 60 first round. Its pretty nice see to enemy team health drop between 40 and 50 percent in first round.
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On 2017-01-09 07:41:06Show this Author Only
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  • Dym On 2017-01-08 21:19:04
  • Which part did they change then, cause it looks EXACTLY the same to me, apart from text change, skill is same.
It used to make you immune to debuffs for one round now it doesn't
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On 2017-01-09 07:59:16Show this Author Only
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  • On 2017-01-09 07:41:06
  • It used to make you immune to debuffs for one round now it doesn't
It still does, it just doesn't say it in text anymore .... did you even play midnight blade after 2.0 ;P
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On 2017-01-09 09:21:28Show this Author Only
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The current water is complete broken after patch 2.0,
not like they are OP AF but they are completely thrash for lower rank people or those who can't have her as an initiator.

Why?
1. All her new skills are mismatched with her build up.
- Skewer -- Force you to use high float chase ninjas
Which currently are (f2p) specific : Sasuke, Yamato, Kimimaro, Gaara, Anko, Kakashi, Guy, Lee, Kidomaru, Chiyo, Baki, Hidan, Kakuzu etc... which non is water ninjas.

Most of the ninjas will cause repulse which are currently f2p specific : Hinata, Sakura, Haku, Kisame, Tenten, Jirobo, Asuma, Jugo which you can see not many staple ninjas such as Sakura, Haku (giggles), Kisame, Tenten unless you have GNW Tenten.

If you were to use these ninjas just to make your skewer works it means you will be wasting alot of effort to counter all the CC's meta from the current Kage Treasures. (Mei, Danzo, Darui, Ao)

or if you choose to use SHARK BOMB you are required to have the top rank players initiative to prevent yourself from being CC'ed and disabled which later will put your team 1 step behind and completely thrashed by the opponent.

off to the new water main passive :
Reverse Seal - In order to maximize this effect you are REQUIRED to have Kabuto in your team and FORCE you to use Monstrous Strength standard Attack and SKEWER which screwed yourself Mystery is what it actually means.

Cursed Mark buff - This is why you need either Kabuto or Sasuke in your team, which practically RUINS your team and makes your choices of team to use with water team not so versatile.

Some will say hell, i will use skewer then use summon chase or chase high float myself trust me - once you got immobile by mei or acupuncture by ao or gnw neji or immobile by shika/fire main your team already ruined.

You will say hell i will run with Kabuto then so i get buffed up when get attacked and healed, trust me you need to survive until round 5-6 in order to actually have the benefit when ppl actually kills you in 3 round not more. (will also force you to use High Float chase ninjas as you can see above bad choice for water)

Hence, what i really want to highlight is that Water Main got like 0 benefit from the "NEW SKILLS" and if any top players are actually using water is because they are bored and they want to troll others who are weaker that's all. You can't fight competitively using water main because there is like 500 ways to counter that team which are VERY COMBO RELIANT, INITIATIVE RELIANT, SPECIFIC NINJA RELIANT (read : Money / Power reliant)

p/s : You NEED Mei and Haku to really buff up water but yeah..you know why you don't because you don't have Mei yet :3.

This is getting long, i will post on what should have been done to water instead in next post xD
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On 2017-01-09 14:44:11Show this Author Only
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Holy dragonite... yes water can be used competitively but it is almost impossible to stay even in the top 20 after climbing. Yes water is a chain wh*** but god forbid you get stuck in that chain after a successful neurotoxin.
Most Frequent Team:
Water main, GNW TenTen, 10PChiyo, Naruto Sage. Monkey king summon.
Yes it's trolly but it sometimes works... and * is it fun to force a 5 min match on someone who wasn't ready :P
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