didn't know death mirage puts u behind in the speed tier.
figured passives, prompts, formation placements. in that order.

like the scrublord i am, what i need are sources.
links to how battle mechanics work. mainly who goes first. aside from the prompts taking priority. and formation placements.

what else factors in?

the battle mechanics could use a few touches tho. playing manual and trying to interupt the enemy legit relies on pre-spamming your skills and pray it registers in time. that along with selecting your targets. it's rough.

at least give 1s T.T

but please, provide factual proofs. something scrublords like i, can go and read for ourselves.
stuff like LMs are the kings of killing FMs are opinions. even though i agree with it.

convince me why Mirror Return should not change.
convince me how FM, Gaara GWN, Naruto, 2* Neji can be beat.
then you therefore admit that it's the strongest lineup in the game.

and i don't believe that. so please.

give me an opposing team, THAT's NOT A FM LINEUP, that can win against my listed FM lineup.
go ahead and be creative. just listing a lineup so i can compare would be great.

and don't go giving me RNGesus BS. Mirror Return doesn't need to magically reflect into the right targets. the part is bound to happen. so what? both sides pray equally for RNGesus to be in their favor. but it's tilted in FM's favor it's ridiculous via

outspeeding Neji? like how is that even possible, please explain.
and besides, who aside from EMs, would put a disruptor in their first ranked slot?! as far as i'm concern'd the only reliable tanky disruptor capable of filling that slot is Neji.

so.
bring up a lineup capable of dealing with my theorycrafted FM lineup.
remember, you can't use a FM. that defeats the purpose of this threads actual debate. Mirror Return
edit: bolds for added effect.
This post was last edited by ch3***@gmail.com at 2016-10-24 06:18

''Wind main counter to fire'', now i heard everything lol.

On topic he is not wrong though, yes fire is not unbeatable but the fact that you have to plan against fire, when they just run mirror vs all means it's pretty good. I don't mind the mirror part at all, but it should not add so much damage as well considering the utility.

But we probably will just copy paste Chinese patches so this discussion is just for fun.

yes. yes. i'm waiting for updates.
but until then, i want all high nobles to teach scrublords like me how to play.

legit Mirror Return needs some of my suggested changes. that would make them more enjoyable to fight against.

I will give you what you wanted. The reason why all fire mains should hate light mains is because we light mains run a buff team. Like by the start of the battle i am running 120% in buffed up damage plus root of warrior which makes me immune to cc for two rounds. Then if you use warrior killing intent , if you kill said fire main with just again mystery skill it resets, so a spam after spam. actually withing a first round, i dont see a fire main alive anymore unless he is running shield buffs which means round 2 my next character will have him down without targeting on him.

Azure fang has auto heal. SO if you cc like anyone of her ninjas she will heal it right of.Then why death mirage doesnt work on her.Most azure run a ignite/poison tai build. If fire main mirrors he will mirror a poison which your main will heal. If he uses death mirage he will be hit with a silence, a ignite, a poison again. really choose your choice you cant wipe out the debuffs long enough.

Earth mains, they really have no chance.They leave themselves open unless they use someone like Gakido,Neji,Hinata or some debuffer cleaner. If they have a cleaner, they have abetter chance.If they have interrupt,cc, and a cleaner there chances greatly increase.

Wind main. Clones set up. Those clones are op, most wind mains run a rasengan setup, and cc mostly at the end of their combo.So he can mirror all that all he wants.It might just hit your clones (rng comes in).

My experience ,I have tried every main.They are all balanced. They might have thier annoying aspects but there is a counter to all of them.Light main with its damage is really squishy, so is windmain and running a setup for her takes brains.Azure has no damage coming her way and must rely on tactics.Fire must rely on his wacky skills.

ty Fleece.
so from what i've gather'd and already had on mind.


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LM vs FM
did not realize it was a legit passive on LMs. that's awesome. even better because it's strictly limited to sword-based ninja's. broken? as an enemy, everything is broken. but as an LM user. hardly so because it's limited to using Sasuke. and it makes great usage of that fact.
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WaMs vs FMs
kek, water > fire. pokemon logic.
i would assume in this matchup the FM would use it's FM specialty ignition that lowers healing done. (i believe it's exclusive to just FM? or could it be all ignite in general?!) FMs will have their work cut out for them here.
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EM vs FM
EMs atleast has interrupt. i'd run that over the shield vs FMs. it'll give them the early game edge. even more so if they have another form of for the 2nd round 40 chakra onslaughts. after that it's just a matter of controlling who to and whatnot.
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WdM vs FM
WMs definitely have their work cut out for them. as you stated, it's a legitimate RNG game here. least WMs clones are awesome. and 10-hit combos.
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again. thanks for clarifying why LMs legitimately wreck multiple levels of plays via whatever the skill was called. still doesn't stop so in my ideal FM setup, i'd swap Neji out for someone with an similar to that of EMs. to which i have no idea who even has access to such a mystery.

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now that all that's out of the way.
the real issue here is still the overloaded BS utility that has.
it's the legitimate, pick it or lose, passive for all FMs. just because the other 2 passive slots are lackluster.
Fire-Attribute ninja buff and Ekkei-based ninja buff. both of which are weak compared to Mirror Return's .

to which i proposed:
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As a water main, I have never ~ever~ had trouble beating a fire main that's the same level or even a level higher than me. First of all, they're pretty squishy if you can combo their main even once, so bye bye all these supposedly "broken" passives. As for the team you keep repeating, the counter is so easy. Literally any semi decent water team can take it down.
Let's take the team I ran from around level 55-70. Hinata, Sasuke, Kisame. First round you cancel my Hinata's mystery. Even if you are fast enough to cancel her (which I don't think I've ever had happen before), I have a counter. After Kisame's done with his standard attack, even if he goes for the Neji (and he won't, he'll go for the fire main) the next standard I'm healing my Hinata. Otherwise, if he goes for the firemain, he's now possibly set off a combo which gets your fire main down to 3/4 health maximum by the first round, even without that combo. If you've got a mirror on your main then now you've reflected some poison onto either Hinata or Kisame, no big deal, after Kisame's done moving, I've just used my heal on either him or Hinata. Sasuke will do his standard and we're on to next round.
Let's say you've put up Gaara's barrier, there goes Sasuke's up right after it. I'm not *, I'm waiting until after Gaara starts that mystery to use Sasuke's. Even if you put Gaara's mystery up first round, with the twenty chakra that Kisame had given me, I can put up Sasuke's at the same time. My Sasuke's always going to interrupt, because he's in last position, and your Gaara's already gone by then. During round 2 I'm using Kisame's mystery, stealing chakra and more than likely killing most if not all of Naruto's clones, even with Gaara's initial shield. If I've stolen enough chakra, off goes my own shark bomb in the same round, immobiling a good portion of your team from the crit I may get or at the very least causing some damage. All this time, I've been layering poison on you with every hit.
By now I'm using Sasuke's Kirin next, setting off a 10 combo on either your fire main if he's not dead, or Neji.
My poison is ignoring the shield on Gaara as well, so he's dying quite slowly.
Once I've killed both the main and then Neji, I'll get rid of Naruto quite quickly. Leaving only Gaara to whittle down.

Let's say I'm not using poison tai, then I'm using the chakra steal, so as I kill Naruto's clone spams every round, I'm getting more health and more chakra, and Kisame's getting health. Both of us are going to most likely tank through everything you throw at us.

And this is just a f2p team. My current team would wreck that team in two rounds. First round, Animal Path goes last, so I'm not using her tag until I know you aren't using Neji on her. Then she tags the whole team, next round I use my water bomb to kill the clones, gain chakra and immobile the targets. Then with that extra chakra in the same round I use Konan to hit the whole team. Anyone can beat that team as long as they're not * and assume that you're going to try and cancel them and save their heals for opportune times and make sure they're not using vital skills when Neji has an interrupt.

awesome. thanks for the insight.
almost makes me sad that i had opt for Death Mirage/
you also assumed i'm using base Gaara and Naruto. why!?

for my counter argument,
let's assume we prepared to fight each other so as to already know what to expect.in turn, that means you have the mindset of thinking on using base Naruto,Gaara,Neji. which has costed you dearly.

and i'll go with your suggested lineup and movesets for your WaM, Shark Bomb, Healing, Chakra Blade, Immobile passive, Poison Tai

which means i won't be using Death's Mirage. in turn i'll be using Bani Chakra for random ignites. without knowing you're using Poison Tai (which will end up costing you). read on, you'll see.

and so,
the only truly unknown would be how you place your ninja's in formation.

i've already opt for:
x-FM-NejiGWN
x-x-GaaraGWN
x-x-Naruto

and i would assume from what i gather'd is that your formation would be:

x-x-Hinata
Sasuke-x-Kisame
x-x-x

i honestly have no access to where your WaM is, and i assumed since Sasuke is slower than Gaara, he will be in the slowest possible ideal place. which is back row behind Kisame. why Kisame? because you hinted that your Hinata has more often than not, gone first in a prompt. so she's in the fastest rank in the formation. Meaning, you're Kisame would be the next ideal tank. hence 2nd ranked.

but we'll assume you we didn't know each other's formation. because before every fight, the formation already decides whether you're at an advantage or disadvantage. but i do need a formation so i'll assume you roll'd something like this.

x-x-Hinata
Sasuke-WaM-Kisame
x-x-x

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let's start a more realistic version of this fight.
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Round 1.

- GWN-Gaara enters the field with his barrier. according to text.

- you assumed i'm gonna Neji -> Hinata.
there;s no point in doing so when i see Kisame and Sasuke in the lineup. i'm gonna save it for them.

- so apparently Kisame can AA pass Neji(which is in front) and target my FM?! lulwut. that's interesting.

regardless, you're going for the RNGesus combo proc. it's almost like GNW-Gaara can't RNGesus and proc KD -> Immobile. and this RNGesus gets worse since Neji-GWN pursue combos with KD. which means, Hinata is gonna get damper'd quite a bit.

- i would assume a Sasuke Kirin popping up Round 1 so as to counter Gaara's barrier.
i'm gonna use Neji on Sasuke. so as to stop Kiring from activating.

- now Neji gets increased evasion. meaning we both sustain miniscule trigram damages. whether or not it triggers Naruto damage passive, that's irrelevant. but worth noting.

- and also Poison Tai. i'll give your team the benefit and say Hinata manged to trigram every single AA, in return, Neji does the same. meaning no poison was inflicted at this time. Unless Neji proc's it via mystery usage, but i would assume Mirror Return tosses it to one of your guys. because that's what this thread is about. .

- lets assume Sasuke got poisoned. but that's irrelevant because you'll heal him of his debuffs. therefore, Sasuke is now free from acupuncture.

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we will assume that Round 1 proc'd maximum hits. no combos. cuz Combos are RNGesus and gives a huge advantage in the match. this will persist throughout this version of the fight
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Round 2.

- Neji mystery down. Sasuke mystery down. Hinata mystery down.
i'm at 3 mystery open. you're at 2.

- i'm going straight for the win here. once you Kisame mystery, which is very likely.
Gaara mystery -> Neji Acupuncture -> FM's combo via HFloat chase -> Kisame Mystery down.

of course. now Gaara and Kisame are competing in speed. i would assume Gaara takes the lead because GWN's tend to be benefit'd like that. unless you have actual proof that Kisame has a higher chance to win the speed tier, please enlighten me.

and yes. this whole part is RNG. why? because speed tier mechanics data is nowhere to be found. but because of GWN logic. Gaara will Kisame.

- with that done. it means Kisame;s mystery is down and won't be doing much this fight. i'm at 0 chakra after using Gaara's mystery.

- and also no shark bombs are used due to lack of chakra. hence no immobile per your scenario.

- also, Kisame is now cured of debuffs. chances are high poison has been inflicted across the board on my side. i'll give you the benefit and say Kisame was also poisoned, but it was cured along with acupuncture. i'm generous aren't i? best case scenarios to both sides.

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wow. Round 2 and your whole scenario has dampened greatly. you should assume the best ninja picked, and not base Naruto and base Gaara
anyways, same deal with Round 1. maximum hits. no combos. cept i'm at an advantage because you are forced to attack Neji. why? because his passive forces you to. and i can target your favord Kisame to chip him down as much as i can. your Hinata is no threat at all.
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Round 3.

- already with the given scenario. my team has more HP. that whole Gaara mystery -> Neji combo just got done putting a huge dent into your Kisame.

- i'm at 2 mystery's, and you are at 1.
FM, Naruto vs WaM.
Neji, Hinata, and Sasuke's are coming off CD in i'm not sure when Kisame's will be up. but i would assume Round 4 also.

- so what now? you're stuck yet again with just AAing my team. why? FM Dragon Breath.
FM Dragon Breath -> Neji chase(acupuncture) -> Gaara Chase -> FM chase.
your WaM has now been locked out of casting Shark Bomb. that along with no more debuff heals.

- lets not forget. i have selected Bani Chakra. we will assume best case scenario and it's be cured along with whatever status i've inflicted on you.

- so what now? i'm going to target either your WaM or Kisame. if ignite from Bani is on either of them, they will be dying soon. if not, it's irrelevant. i'm using Naruto's mystery to inflict repulse damage and ignite. i'll aim for Kisame. he's taken a huge beating already.

- now standard attacks happen. and you are now poisond. lets put RNG on my side this time and say it's on Kisame.

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as you can see. i've already inflicted 3 turns of lockdown. you haven't been able to activate a single jutsu aside from Hinata's.
also ignite is ready to * stuff up. Kisame will die this following turn. if he hasn't already.
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Round 4.

- Mystery's are back.
FM, Neji vs Hinata, Sasuke, Kisame

- rinsed and repeat. at this point it doesnt matter. with 80 chakra to use. i'd legit killi off Kisame this turn. and inflicting acupuncture should you decide to use Kirin. which is highly likely you will. otherwise i get to save a mystery,

- now you backs are to the walls. it's a 3v4 and your WaM has to decide if she wants to heal herself or Sasuke to cleanse acupuncture.

- regardless of which. it's game over come round 5.

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Round 5.

- Enter Gaara.

- GGWP.

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As for your "main team"
i've gatherd

WaM
Animal-Path
Konan

no idea who the 4th is. but it's irrelevant. and without access to Animal-Path and Konan's data i can't give out much counter argument. but i'll give it a shot.
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can i risk acupuncture Round 1? i would assume so if your only way of healing it is using WaM's heal.
there's no way you'll outcast Neji's mystery w/ A-Path being the slowest unit in formation. so you ain't tagging anyone first round.
unless of course, you bring me legitimate concrete data on how speed tiers and turn order works.
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as for Konan?! i have no idea what she's even capable of. all i know is, come 2nd round she's getting her ass Gaara'd. end of story. repeat of my above scenario and you're already legit locked for 3 Rounds. lose a member at 4. and the match at 5.
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your greatest downfall was assuming i run base Naruto and Gaara in my ideal best theorycrafted FM team.
Like how did you come to the conclusion that my best theorycrafted FM uses the weaker Gaara, and pointless base Naruto?! rofl.

/gg no re.

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bolds so wall of text isn't blinding


This post was last edited by dra***@gmail.com at 2016-10-24 14:47

That formation : FM - Neji - Naruto - Gaara is very bad yet you talked like it's super OP.
Tell me what is your level and power? What setup you are using?

please dont assume it's based versions.

im talking GWN Neji, GWN Gaara, and Naruto.
come again when actually read throughout the posts.

i literally shortened it to base names so as to save time. and to have confused me for using base forms, you must not take me seriously.

also. this thread is about .
everything else is related to discussing about said passive skill.

but apparently everyone wants a live formation scenario and whatnot.
so i provided:

x-FM-GWN Neji
x-x-GWN Gaara
x-x-Naruto

shortened to:

x-FM-Neji
x-x-Gaara
x-x-Naruto

and apparently you're pretty high in yourself assuming i'm using the base forms.
and you ask me what lvl i am? what power level im at?!

how dare you fall for such bait?!

I'M OVER 9000!

/you've been got.
/gg no re.
/read everything before posting
/

but i ask you anyways oh mighty one.
did you even read the opening post long enough to discuss about the changes i proposed to ?

or did you legit skimmed through and assume this thread was a "this FM lineup is OP" thread?

dear God help us all/

i would also assume anyone that read the bolded "suggested /hotfix" legit gets tilted and assumed i'm a scrub that can't deal with FMs.

and therefore skipped out on the discussion on my proposed change.

dont be that person.
we all know that passive is overloaded.
and someone posted here that FMs are low-tier in China. which means something must be up. and i find to be the root reason why.

so please. * to the topic.

If you don't like mirror return, build a comp around using a small debuff hit first.

It's about playing around the enemies composition, think of it like a card game. Kurenai has mirror return, so use her if mirror return on it's own is so broken.

On your opnion on mirror return I already said at 2nd post : Not gonna happen. At least not anytime soon.

About your BS dream team :
- GNW Neji is bad when it come to deffensive, he can be one shot easily. There are many puppet user or ninjas that can by pass his standard dodge, also his dodge chance is not even high to begin with.
- GNW Gaara? Did anyone have access to Kage Treasure already?
- Naruto 9 tails, except for his 3 stars or higher version he is easy to kill. His atk buff each time get hit just got nerfed in our version. But if you ever face against a player who can buy him 3 stars you will lose anyway because he is P2W unless you are one too.

Firemain is not that hard to beat. You're just bad.
And ofc I'm high, at least to you :lol it's not easy for a f2p player like me to stand in top 3 almost all sage battle, top 10 kyuubi, around top 10 power, level and survival in a server that can kill ninetails 1 month after openned.

Off-topic : I was a newbie 2 months ago. But instead of whining about this and that are OP. I went here to research, I read a lot in stragegy box. I even went to other versions, use google translate to understand what they said. Those action helped me archived what I said above, not whining. I came with intention to help you counter the team that you're struggling with and want to help to improve your setup but it's seem like you are not just bad but also dumb. That can't be help I guess.
Anyway, keep whining and good luck :lol This post was last edited by Kouka at 2016-10-24 15:22

man, i cant believe i read em all, anyway here some wisdom that i gather from the game:

1- you built the team according to what you want to achieve, IF the enemy is using reflect and increase ignition damage isolate the ninja that use this advantage

you folks are legit missing the whole point here.

THIS IS NOT A FM IS OP MUST NERF THREAD.

THIS IS NOT A LINEUP HELP THREAD.

THIS IS NOT A BATTLE MECHANICS THREAD.

this is a thread talking about what we can change with Mirror Return.and in extension, make FMs feel more like the other mains.

ex:

EMs has 2 very clear cut styles, tank set. or damage set. YOU CANT ENJOY THE BEST OF BOTH WORLDS. (like having the steel body passive along with random ally crit up + attack)

WaMs. Healing. or Damage/Immobile. again, DONT GET THE BEST OF BOTH WORLDS. (if you rolled Neurotoxin, that means you don't get to use Healing up passive)

WdMs. are u a Raseng*er. or a Dance user?! again. same phrase. imagine if WdMs can have the CDr effect of Dance while running Rasengan, that's exactly what FMs is. he gets a strong debuff passive, coupled with a powerful damage boost passive.

as it is now, FMs get to enjoy the best of both worlds. and the reason because of that is because of how works.

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from the first post on 4th page going down:

ronald: you legit just told me to use a Mirror Return vs another Mirror Return, further proving my point in this thread that Mirror Return needs to get addressed. thanks for a suggesting what's been suggested thus far. .it's legit the single most annoying skill to play around. and on a FM at that. just review my theorycrafted FM lineup. Mirror Return legit breaks that comp. and you can't use Mirror Return against it in a counter-team setup. why? obvious reasons.

Kouka: BS dream team!? what are you on spouting 'they dont exist yet'.
it's a theorycrafted team. a dream team. a possible team in the future. that's what a 'dream team' is.

and when they do, and they will be released. it legit becomes the strongest FM team i can think you. that means, eventually down in the future you WILL face that lineup fully maxed out with your choice of a maxed out team.

it's a theorycrafted team. a dream team. a possible team in the future. that's what a 'dream team' is.

and when they do, and they will be released. it legit becomes the strongest FM team i can think you. that means, eventually down in the future you WILL face that lineup fully maxed out with your choice of a maxed out team.

thanks for providing legitimate data.irrelevant to the actual initial discussion. but thanks anyways. if you have access to GWN-Neji. provide me that data. otherwise my theorycrafted lineup will still be the best. in terms of accessibility and power off the bat.

i am naive indeed. that's not the issue here. but i must be,because the issue here is the majority of posts here are posting off-topic and assuming this discussion is 'nerf FM'.
when it's actually about .
if you read what i posted.

looks like you edited your post.

ty for finally providing legitimate Mirror Return data.
removal of atk buff in the future is a great step.
but it then becomes an overall nerf to FM. which we can discuss another time as that's off-topic.

so what if Tobi gets nerfed?!
it just means he's too strong as he is now.

just like how Mirror Return is gonna get atk removed in the future.
it was deemed, overloaded with too much utility on top of it being a damage buff.

but honestly. just legit post. "future updates"
and provide a link of some sort. we didnt need to legit travel 4 pages almost 5 just to reach this conclusion.

The real question, is Genjutsu Mirror and Death Mirage that broken? Is it that broken that it has to be nerf?

What about Roots of Warrior? If you make such thread, why aren't you make threads about Roots of Warrior as well? Total immunity to up to 3 swordsmen, including the main, for 3 turns, how is this not broken when compared to mirror? Sure, you got limited lineups with RoW, but does it matter? If you are immune to all debuff, what good would Genjutsu Mirror do other than preventing the first debuff, which will be completely irrelevant in fights since you would establish more combo and more debuff while not being affected with the returns one anyway?

Earth main is already good if played correctly. I switched to Earth Main at a point, even with subpar team and combos, it still wrecked most people from its shields. Have problems with debuff? Try healers. So, Death Mirage erases 2 debuff per round, big deal. Without Oboro Clones, Fire mains are like slightly buffed-up paper. If a Fire Main has death mirage, and you can't hit him to death with your standards, then it is entirely your raw power problem.

Onto water mains, universal debuff clear? Still clear only 2 debuffs in 1 round while not having any clone shields in front of them. Damage boost? Only to ignited targets, which water mains will just heal those debuff off anyway, or through the usage of other talents, which is a pain in the arse to use in the first place due to conditions. So, what is broken about Death Mirage and Genjutsu Mirror to water mains anyway?

Now against wind main, yes FM passive removes debuffs at every round, TWO DEBUFFS PER ROUND. Big deal. Wind main removes ALL DEBUFFS while RESETTING ALL COOLDOWNS, if using your logic despite the inability to use Rasengan mystery, why is this not broken as well? 2nd turn, I can just use every mystery on my lineup and 3rd turn clear every debuffs while resetting all cooldowns and use mysteries all again.

*cough*If you think Fire Mains' Death Mirage is broken, then wait till you get to Gakido Pain*cough*

So onto the main final thoughts, how broken is Genjutsu Mirror and Death Mirage again? Mirror - Reflect 1 Debuff, increase damage against currently ignited chars only. Death Mirage - Erase 2 Debuffs, one from the main and one from another char which is traded with tanky meatshield clones.

P.S. If you are complaining about losing in Arena, that only means that you are just bad with arranging your lineups. Period.

the thread is about .
i added Death Mirage because it's part of my 'power swap' suggestions in the OP.

the thing with RoW is that it's limited to sword-based ninja's in a LM lineup. which means it can have all those benefits. i'm not complaining about it at all.

Mirror? that's universal in any of FMs lineup. atm as it stands. it's THE ONLY PASSIVE WORTH PICKING in that slot. if you're FM and not running Mirror. you're just kicking yourself in the knee.

why? because it gives FM everything they can ever want. debuff protection, free debuffs via reflection, and on top of all that. an extremely good damage boost.

FMs Mirror Return gets the best of both worlds in terms of damage and defensive skills.

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now imagine if WaMs can equip both Neurotoxin and Healing Jutsu. an offensive skill and a defensive skill.
that's what FM's Mirror gives him. the best of both worlds.

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and if you had read the OP you would of seen the "suggested /hotfix"
see that nerf? i bet you legit assume i was a scrublord posting another "FM NERF OP" thread. amirite? and completely disregarded the rest of the post.

yeah.

i suggested to swap powers around. if you dont know what i had already tossed out. here's a summarized recap.
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Mirror: reflects debuff to 2 enemy units. no debuff cleanse. once per round, for 2 or 3 rounds.

Mirror loses damage buff. but now becomes defined as THE debuff reflector/copy. hence "mirrors".
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Death Mirage: heals all debuff up to 2 allied units per round.

DM loses out on the chakra restore. but now becomes THE DEBUFF CLEANSE. which was previously removed from Mirror and put into here. could use a few buffs but its a good start from here.
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Bani Chakra: now gains Chakra restoration.

how would it happen and how much chakra restored? we can say that each time ignite ticks, you gain 20 chakra. or maybe it becomes something crazy. . i posted this in one of my posts.
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Ekkei buff: remember that damage removal from Mirror? yeah. it gets put here.

why? now it becomes similar to that of LMs RoW. we can work out the intricate details in this discussion. but apparently folks like you only read "suggest /hotfix" and stop reading from there and assume this is a "FM nerf" thread.
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so please.
provide something useful for Mirror Discussion and not FM nerfs/lineups/battle mechanics/mains this mains that/etc.
i legit just got done discussing this matter with Kouka.