Let me tell you something.
FM. okay.
Gaara GWN. okay so what it's Gaara.
Naruto. it just gets worse. you'll see.

ready?

Neji 2*. or GWN Neji, no access to his mystery CD so i can't judge for sure. but 2* Neji with possible first turn acupuncture brings ridiculous pressure in the first 2 rounds.

x-FM-Neji
x-x-Gaara
x-x-Naruto

why? if you aim for Neji. you leave FM open to burn and harass. if you aim for FM, Neji' locks you out from even comboing your jutsu's, hell he can lock you out if you aim'd for him or anyone for that matter. then you have Gaara and Naruto to worry about. on top of being ignited and not able to CC them.

so yes, i haven't played as FM to see how broken the chakra gain on Death Mirage may or may not be. but that's besides the point here. the issue is how easy it is for FMs to get out of CC just because he's a FM. and oh wait, damage boost on ignited units too?! YES FKEN PLEASE!!

OH ARE YOU GOING TO HEAL DAT IGNITE?! OKAY. not even sure if you can even heal it. hell, FM specifically denies your heals. (via text, misleading or not.) in a game that's been out for awhile now, i'll go with the misleading texts.

all i know is. the debuff cleansing needs to get looked at.
legit, look at my listed suggestions of changes.

it'll changes FM's gameplay. do you want debuff to also reflect? or do you want damage boost?
do you want the debuff cleanse?! or the damage boosting chakra recharges?!

FM's shouldn't be able to get both worlds.

anything can be OP, yes. but FM is a step above the others. and with this suggested team i'll get eventually. only thing that can stop it would be from being under-powerd.

if you suggest another FM team, you've proven my exact point.
the debuff cleansing needs to get looked at. hence suggested changes.

and apparently you missed out on the whole Lightning Main breakdown.
if RGNesus is against you, and end's up reflecting para on Sasuke. you're screwed. don't even think about acupuncture without adding in an additional CC. but that's 3 rounds in. and at that point you already lose out on so much time with the 'sword ninja buffs' you're already facing another set of Neji lockdown.

so yes. if you wanted me to spill some free formation beans and tips. you've done it.
now give me something to counter that ridiculous team that i've not yet seen but will make should i ever roll a FM.

because that setup is legit broken. Neji's there just cuz disruption is a thing. and to further prove why Mirror Return needs to change. Death Mirage? 60 chakra round 2? yes please! further proving why the Neji 2* pick. and the pure threat of surviving the first 2 rounds before Gaara and Naruto start to ramp up.

this is about Mirror Return in general.
Death's Mirage just happens to work so well with this setup, it makes me cry if FM's roll anything other.

of course there is the free random ignites and buff dispels that's best for long term, via free ignite application. and the shadow clone. cuz Neji and FM are the obvious big threats, having a 3rd threat in the clone is more insult to injury. seeing as the way Mirror Return works now is borderline broken.

RNGesus will is favor slightly more towards FMs just because of the way Mirror Return works.

so please.
id rather take the long story if you're gonna cut it down.
if you're trying to keep FM as is, tell me why. are you my friend. a FM?! cuz dear god, balancing your FM out must be taboo. hell, i'll say it over and over again.

"Mirror Return"

instead of transfering the debuff.
it should in turn 'mirror' the debuff. aka, apply the debuff to opposing unit. WITHOUT CLEANSING aka healing the debuff'd ally unit.
also a removal of ignition damage boost and in turn toss it into the Ekkei passive, similar to Lightning Main's 'Sword-based' team.

in that way Death's Mirage becomes an obvious pick for the debuff cleanse. and gives more breathing room to the above 3rd threat scenario.

LMs RoW is limited to using sword-based ninja's if they want to enjoy the .

FM's Mirror? that's universal. sword, cursed, ekkei, everyone can enjoy a free debuff protection.

the real reason you ask?

FM's Mirror Return is overloaded with utility and a extremely potent damage boost. that's not restricted aside from it activating once per round.

which already means 2 or even 3 rounds before you will be able to inflict status to FM's lineup,

which is fine.
but to add more insult. it's also a damage boost. on ignited units.
THAT WORKS FOR HIS WHOLE TEAM.

LMs RoW? only sword-based ninjas. restricted.


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apparently i've received word-to-word data that may or may not be reliable that states FM's Mirror gets nerfed in China. damage bonus removed.

so? before even knowing that. i creating this thread.
now i want to know WHY China removed the damage buff. but that's for another topic.

this thread is clearing restricted to talking about FM's current Mirror that we have here.
and why are we not making changes to it yet. and no, i'm not saying that because China has done it, we should do it too.

i'm saying that currently.
at this moment.
FM's Mirror.
is legit overloaded.
why?

and therefore i proposed a change by swapping the skills overloaded kit around thats noted in the OP.

please.
i've stated it over and over in this thread.

don't discuss with me about formations and strats. this isnt the Strategy forum.

what i've been trying to do is start a civilized discussion on why FM's Mirror is in its current state.
mind you i dont read China patch notes. nor do i care about it. they are irrelevant to the current game.

i want to know why FMs Mirror is so overloaded but his ekkei passive is literally * tier.
and so i proposed suggested and posted it all in the OP.

legit gets tiring when i have to remind everyone that this is a discussion.

please everyone.stay on topic.
This post was last edited by kon***@kongregate at 2016-10-25 14:30

so. you want to go off-topic to satisfy your epeen? ok.

prepare Ur* for a huge wall of text.
i won't post like you, i'll include boldings and such to make it less hurtful to your eyes. in only you did the same so i wouldn;t have to skim over your blind wall of texts. T.T

anyways.
i use whatever login i'm in at the time to post. kon,dra,ch3.
it's almost obvious that the huge wall of text posts thats trying to would be mine.
obviously now i'm using kon.

anyways, i've mentioned using Gaara-GWN. here. 1st post. 2nd page. did you even read?< http://forum.naruto.oasgames.com/en/forum.php?mod=redirect&goto=findpost&ptid=7285&pid=42934&fromuid=128255 >
of course, i noted the usage of Neji 2*. which does not limit it to being 2*, it means i'm using his upgraded skill set on Regular Neji.but noted. i would use GWN-Neji instead if i only had data on his mystery CD. to which i don't, and so i would assume it's available for usage first round.

i never said my lineup is the 'dream team'.
it's a lineup. theorycrafted.
you apparently translated that into the .

and i quote: "About your BS "< http://forum.naruto.oasgames.com/en/forum.php?mod=redirect&goto=findpost&ptid=7285&pid=43173&fromuid=128255 >

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your statement:
"which you act like is a god, when I can easily take him down second turn"

i'm clearing boasting because you're not providing legitimate numbers/data for me to work with. CD timers on mystery's for instance. mainly on GWN-Neji.

and without clear-cut information, i can only trust that you're telling the truth. but where are your sources?
all of mine can be found currently just by opening the game and looking at the ninja tab. then from there basing my theory's off the texts given.
anything outside of this game and forum is not worth venturing. the topic has and always has, been about the state of Mirror Return in the current state of game.

and therefore, the reason behind my theorycrafted lineup.
does the current game have the data on Uchiha's as you have mentioned? no.
what about A-Path? or Konan? no.

but the game does note GWN-Neji and GWN-Gaara.
to which i based off of their regular forms to .


therefore i will not use the Uchiha's or A-Path/Konan via lack of data.
data to which you assume i will waste my time searching to discuss about that's completely off-topic.
as stated many, MANY times.

the issue isn't FM.

the issue is FMs Mirror.

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but if you've read far enough into the topic.
i created a theorycrafted FM lineup in hopes to shine light on how overloaded FMs Mirror is.

x-FM-NejiGWN
x-x-GaaraGWN
x-x-Naruto

and if you've been at 10K+ power marks.
i would assume you've faced those ninja's before, most likely Gaara and Naruto the most.

but have you faced this exact lineup?
it capitalizes on FMs Mirror, it literally makes this lineup top tier.

also. you can't use Mirror Return to vs them. Kurenai/FM
why? it'll further prove the point of this thread and it's initial discussion. and more specifically. .