"You would like to see Minato's dodge chance reduced (perhaps to a flat chance rather than being based on combo? I assume your combo is low based upon your post?)"

Wait, what? If Edo Minato's dodge chance at +2 on the Yellow Flash passive is not a flat 50% for each standard attack (so basically, it should be like a coin flip each time) and is instead somehow based on his combo rate, that's news to me. Nowhere in his skills description is anything like that mentioned. If it is the case that it's somehow based on combo rate, that should be stated in his description. I dont have his BT because I find him a boring, overstaturated character and never went out of my way to get him, so I have no personal experience with his BT dodge rate. Some clarification would be nice though.

In terms of the other ninjas: personally I don't think Kushina or Gaara should be nerfed. Sure it can be annoying to fight against the BT Gaara and Kushina combo. Stall is annoying strategy, yes. But it should also be a viable strategy people can choose. And honestly, as others have pointed out, this core isn't as unbeatable as you make it out to be. Gaara is easily countered by ingition or poison, and ignition is pretty common. Kushina can be blitzed down in round 1 or 2 if you're running the offensive variant.

More importantly though, I think it it would be very f2p unfriendly to nerf these characters, since Kushina and Gaara is one of the easier cores to get for cheap (literally, I never spent any money in this game). Kushina frags get given out a lot and Gaara you can pull from treasures or do his instance. A lot of f2p have Kushina recommended to them as a good first "carry" pos 1 ninja, imagine how crushing it will be to everyone who saved up for her and/or pieced her together if she gets nerfed. Please, devs, don't do this.

The only character I could see an argument for is Edo Minato. His dodge rate when fighting against him is annoying. 50% is very high and sometimes it seems like nothing hits. However, I think a future meta shift will drop Edo Minato from the top in due time. When we get GNW Madara (Obito) BT, I think Edo Minato's usage will fall. With BT Nagato on the team, GNW Madara's mystery becomes undodgable and his chases c*so be made undodgable. So for example you could run a team like this:

Where the combo off Sasuke's mystery is this:

If you have the right skills on everyone, this means Sasuke's mystery cannot miss Edo Minato, and Madara's chase (which supresses immunity and causes immobile) also cannot miss. If you have enough chakra, you could also launch GNW Madara's mystery right after this and hit Minato again. Also, though it will probably be a while, Kimono Shisui just got BT that make his mystery and standard undodgable. In time, Edo Minato's skillset will not be as hard to counter. I'd say just let the meta run its course.

(Also Tachibana Saeko, can you clarify if GNW Madara's BT does more damage TO jinchuriki opponents or because someone on Madara's SAME TEAM is a jinchuuriki? On the Proxy it says something different from his in-game description which is kind of unclear when it says "when there is a jinchuriki on the team, this skill's damage is increased by 40%." Which is "the" team? I would guess the opponent's but some people understand it as your team).

"You would like to see Minato's dodge chance reduced (perhaps to a flat chance rather than being based on combo? I assume your combo is low based upon your post?)"

Wait, what? If Edo Minato's dodge chance at +2 on the Yellow Flash passive is not a flat 50% for each standard attack (so basically, it should be like a coin flip each time) and is instead somehow based on his combo rate, that's news to me. Nowhere in his skills description is anything like that mentioned. If it is the case that it's somehow based on combo rate, that should be stated in his description. I dont have his BT because I find him a boring, overstaturated character and never went out of my way to get him, so I have no personal experience with his BT dodge rate. Some clarification would be nice though.

In terms of the other ninjas: personally I don't think Kushina or Gaara should be nerfed. Sure it can be annoying to fight against the BT Gaara and Kushina combo. Stall is annoying strategy, yes. But it should also be a viable strategy people can choose. And honestly, as others have pointed out, this core isn't as unbeatable as you make it out to be. Gaara is easily countered by ingition or poison, and ignition is pretty common. Kushina can be blitzed down in round 1 or 2 if you're running the offensive variant.

More importantly though, I think it it would be very f2p unfriendly to nerf these characters, since Kushina and Gaara is one of the easier cores to get for cheap (literally, I never spent any money in this game). Kushina frags get given out a lot and Gaara you can pull from treasures or do his instance. A lot of f2p have Kushina recommended to them as a good first "carry" pos 1 ninja, imagine how crushing it will be to everyone who saved up for her and/or pieced her together if she gets nerfed. Please, devs, don't do this.

The only character I could see an argument for is Edo Minato. His dodge rate when fighting against him is annoying. 50% is very high and sometimes it seems like nothing hits. However, I think a future meta shift will drop Edo Minato from the top in due time. When we get GNW Madara (Obito) BT, I think Edo Minato's usage will fall. With BT Nagato on the team, GNW Madara's mystery becomes undodgable and his chases c*so be made undodgable. So for example you could run a team like this:

Where the combo off Sasuke's mystery is this:

If you have the right skills on everyone, this means Sasuke's mystery cannot miss Edo Minato, and Madara's chase (which supresses immunity and causes immobile) also cannot miss. If you have enough chakra, you could also launch GNW Madara's mystery right after this and hit Minato again. Also, though it will probably be a while, Kimono Shisui just got BT that make his mystery and standard undodgable. In time, Edo Minato's skillset will not be as hard to counter. I'd say just let the meta run its course.

(Also Tachibana Saeko, can you clarify if GNW Madara's BT does more damage TO jinchuriki opponents or because someone on Madara's SAME TEAM is a jinchuuriki? On the Proxy it says something different from his in-game description which is kind of unclear when it says "when there is a jinchuriki on the team, this skill's damage is increased by 40%." Which is "the" team? I would guess the opponent's but some people understand it as your team).

is this your main account or *t, because that is untrue.

blitz a kushi in 1 or 2 rounds? really? I have faced kushis whose power is more than 200k lower than mine, and my teams cant kill them. even round 1 they can heal 20, potentially 40% of health just from their passive, thats not taking into account healers or characters that add leech abilities, *and* they can stack their def/res by upwards of 24%

and gaara cannot be "easily" countered, ignition takes 8-10 rounds to take down a gaara, even if you can consistently ignite, gaaras scaling def/res mean the rest of damage is negligible so ignition alone is very slow. and if you have read posts of mine in the past you know I am someone who likes to experiment a lot, even with fire main causing ignition whilst buffing his nin every round teamed and an sb hanzo causing strong poison gaara's with similar or even lower power can still endure for upwards of 5 rounds. achieving nothing but wasting both players time

and your argument about f2p is a weird one, firstly because f2p has never been oasis priority, they want money, so it is a strange appeal to ask a company to keep in mind non contributing players while they have an event on asking for $2000 for the latest character, and regardless of that my suggestion wouldnt stop them from being powerhouse carries, it would just make them less broken, there is no balance in their skillets whatsoever, reducing the percentages of their passives, they would still be carries, they would still be easily attainable and would still be god tier characters, they just wouldnt be as slow or as game breaking, as someone else in this thread said, gaara having a 5% is ridiculous, even if you ignore the inconsistency with gaara for some reason being turned into the medical god of naruto online, giving him a higher self heal percentage than actual medical characters and characters who have self heal because they need it to compensate for not having strong def/res is unbalanced, plain and simple.

If you think these characters are "easy" to counter, you are either in a new server and you have an overwhelming power advantage or you have not been here that long, i would never try to force someone to agree with my opinion, but you cannot say these characters are "easy" to counter, if they were easy they would not be meta, people would not have set aside kakuzus/6p/edo hiruzen/naruto ronin/earth main itachi susano blitz in favour of them, they would not have stopped pursuing other characters because gaara and kushi are so broken that nobody else matters, they would not be what every single player uses in space time and gnw and swb, They cant simultaneously be meta and "easy to counter", thats an oxymoron right there, and within 30 seconds of logging in you can see that they are definitely the most common meta and it isnt even close

but anyway as Tachibana said this thread will be getting locked and or deleted soon so this topic is probably dead now, but I stand by my suggestions, those characters can be nerfed to a level where they are still strong, but not unreasonably broken

Personally I only had 3 suggestions for opening this thread

1: address edo minato, in multiple ways

stop putting him in every single event cycle, he has been in fuku more than any other character ever, and has been in more redeemable events than any other character already.

fix his breaks, whether the skill or the description itself, the description currently says it increases evasion against standard attacks by 50% but that is nonsense, I have 25k combo, I dont know if that is low or not but mine cant dodge anything, yet players with 1/10th my power can dodge every standard for 10 rounds. Ideally I would say lower the dodge rate, I am sharing my personal experience, but that is not the basis for my suggestion, I dont care if I personally have a broken minato, the characters dodge skill is op and that is what I suggest be nerfed

2:address kushi red hot: maybe reduce the rate of her scaling abilities or the 20% health recovery

3:address gaara kk, giving him the strongest self heal is broken,

remove or even simply reducing it ,no, not the same rate as bee, I used bee as an example to show how broken gaara is, gaara already has super armour and scaling def/res which offsets the need for such a strong self heal, if he has to have it, it should at least be lower than that of bee.

Those were my suggestions for opening the thread, the other characters you mentioned you would need to wait for replies from others, none of the characters you mentioned below minato are ones that I personally think need nerfed, definitely not ibiki/summer kakashi/summer kurenai

I cant remember the username but somebody summed up summer kakashi perfectly, he is a glass cannon, he buffs attack/nin but weakens def/res plus he is pretty fragile from the get go, if you have a full buff/bltz/high combo team you can maybe take him out of the picture in round 1, the only problem is init, if you dont have the init then it is a problem because surviving his undodgeable buffed mystery is tough, but then again any first position character with higher init than you is a problem.

In that case you would need tanks/healers and/or units to remove any other buffs/barriers on kakashis side of the field, he is tough thats for sure, but he is manageable

as for kurenai summer, her mystery is nice but she is not OP, her mystery is useful but fire main, edo itachi, regular kurenai, ningendo can reflect it

and as far as I know unlike edo itachi and ibiki there isnt a chakra requirement to remove the status so any debuff clearer/healer/slug summon can undo it.

I wont dimini* if she is challenging to newer servers, but overall in the current state of the game she is a nice support, but nothing you can't contend with

gaara is the farthest thing from weak, super armour and the highest self heal percentage in the game and scaling def/res and strong shield stacking. Ignition/poison or ninjas like sasuke rine/summer kakashi etc can hurt him sure, but even if you can consistently ignite him he can still endure multiple rounds all the while stacking shields like an mf-er.

there are many words you could use to describe gaara since they give him these completely out of character breaks, but weak is certainly not one of them

Hello, This thread has turned into more of a rant and less of a suggestion, so it will need to be closed soon, but before it is closed, I'd like to clarify/gather some information to submit to the devs first.

1) What would you like to see nerfed about the ninjas in question?
2) What ninjas would you like to see replace them as the top ninjas of the current meta?

So far from the current posts I'm seeing that you would like to see Kushina's scaling reduced.
You'd like to see Gaara's scaling reduced, and to counter this, you'd like to see him given offensive abilities on par with Jinchuriki Bee, who you used as a comparison point.
You would like to see Minato's dodge chance reduced (perhaps to a flat chance rather than being based on combo? I assume your combo is low based upon your post?)
You would like to see EGF Kakuzu nerfed, specifically reducing his heal and damage output?
You would like to see Tsunade Reserve Seal nerfed, causing her to give the allied teams a debuff that makes them less likely to dodge?
You would like to see Summer Kurenai nerfed, but I need clarification on how.
You would like to see Ibiki nerfed, but I need clarification on how.
You would like to see Summer Kakashi nerfed, but I need clarification on how. Thanks!

I don't really understand your question about my main or alt...I'm just speaking from general experience. I do have 2 accounts but they're about the same power so I don't think it matters.

I will admit, I may have overstated Kushina's killability. I do a bunch of Arena and in Arena she's not as good, and you can get blitzed round 1/2. I will give you that it's not as easy to do in normal 1v1 battles. In my experience with GNW, usually it gets down to Kushina and Gaara and we c*ually take the Gaaras down with poison/ignite. Usually only Kushina remains standing on ours or the opponent's side (when it gets really impossible, is Kushina/Gaara/BT Iruka lol). This is why I say Gaara can be beaten. I mean, I've used the BT Kushina/Gaara/Killer Bee team and I don't win every time. Probably because I am not like 300k+. I gotta say tho, if you are struggling against Kushinas who are 200k lower than you, that seems a little bit of a stretch? 200k?

And maybe an overwhelming majority of people on your server use that core, but on mine, most of the top players do not. They use like, Edo Minato, Summer Kakashi, Kimi Halloween, Ronin. There is even still a lot of Kakuzu blitz. I think we can both agree, Kushina is not that fun to play, so a bunch of top players don't use her much anymore. She has become more in the f2p domain for like 100-300k players. It's really not "use Kushina or lose" like you make it out to be.

I know Oasis doesn't care about their f2p base, but consider this. They also don't like doing any significant patches or rebalances. So by doing literally nothing (an appealing prospect to Oasis) they could not nerf Kushina and Gaara and therefore not screw over all the f2p who saved for them. This is like the smallest thing they could do for f2p. It's LITERALLY NOTHING. It's not like I'm actually asking them to do something, like put Edo Hiruzen in Fireworks or something. Doing nothing, would be a net neutral. Doing something, would be a net negative to f2p, as the gap between their obtainable ninjas and the ultra OP spender ninjas just widens.

And again, I really think the meta will sort this out. I personally don't find Kushina and Gaara that oppressive in the meta of my server cluster even tho a lot of people have them. But even if you do, like I said, they will stop being as good as they are when future ninjas come out. GNW Madara breaks, like I said. If I am understanding his mystery correctly and it does 40-60% more damage to opposing jinchuriki, reason to use Gaara, Kushina, and Minato will drop because why take that extra damage. I really do not think any of these characters need a nerf. People probably wanted to nerf Roshi back in the day but look at him now, he's mostly irrelevant.

Look, I really do understand the want to have more diverse teams be viable. I like building interesting teams and I'm interested to know what teams you run. But I don't think rebalancing Kushina, Gaara, and/or Edo Minato is the answer to this. Because a) the meta will solve it itself in time, b) I don't even think they are that bad (except Minato he's pretty bad lol, but again refer to point a), and c) to really make a rebalance work, I think other characters would have to be rebalanced too. Like, other lesser characters sure would also have to be rebalanced to become more viable so that f2ps would have a chance. But we both know what will never happen so I don't think it's worth it.

Cheers.