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I got Kisame relatively early in my server, thanks to a lucky draw. But since I wasn't an experienced player, I had to rely on the forum to find myself a great formation. However, I soon realised that there aren't much information regarding the line-ups of Kisame.

Well, that was a couple of weeks ago. I've played around with Kisame for a while now and so I've realised a few things about him. Hope this can help you guys out!

For those who just want the formation:

Kurenai Main Kisame
x Hinanta x
x x x

Talents:2231(1 or 3)
Summon:Hell Dog

Skip down to Strategy for the explanation on the formation!

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Profile:

Name: Kisame Hoshigaki
Type: Water
Affiliations: Akatsuki, Hidden Mist, Taitou

Stats:

Health: ✦✦✦✦
Attack: ✦✦✦
Defense: ✦✦✦✦
Ninjutsu: ✦
Resistance: ✦✦

Skills:

(M) - Super Shark Bomb Jutsu : AOE dmg, KNOCKDOWN to target, ABSORB all opponent's chakra (2 rounds CD)
(SA)- Shark Skin Attack : Single target and absorbs 20 Chakra points. Has a chance of causing LOW FLOAT and ACUPUNCTURE.
(C) - Shark Bomb Justsu : chases REPULSE, causes LOW FLOAT. RECOVER certain % of life
(P) - Chakra Swallowing : RECOVER 10% of life when your own team recovers Chakra
(P) - Shark Skin Expansion : Effective when at least 40 Chakra points are available. Higher the Chakra, higher the Taijutsu Attack and Combo Rate

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Insights:

Strengths.

As you may observe, Kisame's impressive health and defense stats make him a reliable frontline ninja. His stats may not be as impressive as other frontline ninjas known for their sturdiness, but Kisame's unique skill set makes him extremely hard to eliminate. He heals 10% of his HP in the beginning of every round. This passive is also triggered when he recovers chakra using his mystery or landing a standard attack. Moreover, his chase also recovers some HP.

His standard attacks become extremely lethal with higher chakra points. At 100 Chakra points, the standard attacks guarantee 100% low float, acupuncture and extremely high damage (He deals up to 3k dmg in the arena with his standard attack). You may think that ac*ulating chakra points is extremely difficult, and you are right. Therefore you'll need to build a specific line-up for Kisame. If you do, you'll soon realise that reaching 100 Chakra points isn't that difficult at all.

ACUPUNCTURE is the best friend of Kisame. Acupunctured opponents won't be able to spend Chakra points for the next 2 rounds. This provides a perfect opportunity for Kisame to use his mystery and recover a massive amount of chakra.

Kisame becomes more and more powerful as rounds progress, since more chakra are recovered each following round. Opponents won't be able to spend all their chakra before Kisame lands his mystery, and so it is easier to ac*ulate high chakra points.

Weaknesses.

Kisame's mystery doesn't do a crazy amount of damage as you'd expect, due to his ninjutsu stats. Kisame's damage relies more on standard attacks. This means he can be possibly countered by Kimimaro, Hinata, Earth main etc.

He is vulnerable to debuffs, especially ignite and any debuffs that stops him from using standard attack.

A formation that includes Kisame is not flexible, since there are many requirements to be met for him to be properly used. This includes chakra recovery, protecting Kisame from debuffs etc.

I'm a Kisame fan and so I am keeping this list short :)

Strategy

So far, the best formation with lightning main I found is the one above. For the last talent I usually use the clone, but I use roots talent from time to time when I have to face a heavy control team. The basic strategy is this:

The team has a perfect combo cycle. Anyone's mystery or standard attack can unleash an 8 combo barrage. Moreover, Hinata's chase allows me to acupuncture. This means by using mysteries, I can interrupt and acupuncture a targetted ninja.

Notice that both lightning's and Kisame's mysteries have 2 rounds CD. I've positioned Kisame and my main in move 1 and 2 so that by using their mysteries alternatively, I can stop the mystery and acupuncture the targetted enemy ninja every round. Basically, I can unleash an aoe attack every round from round 2.

If the enemy isn't properly prepared, I would also be able to acupuncture the front line ninjas with the clone and Kisame's standard attack. Together with the mysteries, I can inflict an infinite acupuncture control on the enemy team, not allowing them to use a single skill. The unused chakra of the enemy then can be absorbed by Kisame.

Kurenai's passive protects the team from possible mirror genjustsu and other harmful debuffs (I use roots of swordsmen if Kurenai can't handle the debuffs barrage). Moreover, her passive of recovering chakra when the team is attacked by a mystery or receives status effect synergizes well with Kisame's passive. This combination makes Kisame immune to poison to a certain degree (heals when poison is inflicted).

Hinata's and Kurenai's mysteries provide extra defense for the team. Lightning's Anbu Tactics talent synergizes well with Kisame and provides other means of HP recovery for all ninjas.

The weakness of this formation is that it doesn't have ignite, so a tanky team with a good healer/cleanser can withstand the combos pretty well. However, Kisame's monstrous damage usually overwhelms the opponent's healing rate.

Another weakness is that if Hinata's chase is neutralised, the line-up is significantly weakened. But as everyone knows, Hinata is extremely difficult to bring down. And investing in taking down Hinata means that Kisame and Lightning can freely attack the opponent.

Step By Step

Round 1: (20 Chakra)

Clone spawns infront of Hinata. I save Hinata's mystery for later use.
I first take a look at the opponent's team, and make a judgment on whether Kisame (and rarely my main as well) can be nuked in round 1. If so, I shield Kisame with Kurenai. If not, I shield the clone. I use kurenai's shield anyway because if she gets interrupted, that means kisame and my main can't be stopped the next round. shielding the clone gives more protection for the team and increases the chance to acupuncture an opponent.

Round 2: (40 Chakra)

Again I take a look at the opponents and see if they have ready interruptions or acupuncture. I also take note of who is in move 1 and 2. Since it is very likely for the opponent to use up all the chakra in this round, if the situations allow I use Lightning's mystery since it has aoe paralysis. But most of the time I use Kisame's mystery to be safe. I target the ninja that I think is likely to use his mystery this round and acupuncture him.

If I get lucky, Kisame can cause acupuncture on one of the ninjas in the standard attack phase. The same goes for my clone. If the opponent is completely unprepared, in round 2, at most 3 ninjas can be acupunctured.

Round 3: (60 Chakra)

With 60 Chakra points, I c*e either Lightining's or Kisame's mystery (depending on which one I used last round). They both cost 40 Chakra points, which means I c*e Hinata's mystery if I feel the need. I target another ninja trying to use his mystery and acupuncture him with the combo. Then I check on my clone. If it is on low health and is probably going to die in one or two hits, I use Hinata's mystery to protect her. If the clone can take on more hits I save it for later use. Kisame's and the clone's standard attack is a continuing threat.

Round 4: (80 Chakra)

From this point Kisame starts to become unstoppable. I use one of the AOE mysteries and acupuncture the enemy again, and by this time I am able to steal huge amounts of chakra thanks to the infinite acupuncture control. With higher Chakra points, Kisame almost always causes acupuncture with his standard attack. The true infinite acupuncture cycle begins.

Also, Kurenai's mystery will be ready again this round. If they managed to wear down Kisame, Hinata, and sometimes my main, I use it to the one that needs the heal most.

Round 5+: (100 Chakra)

Kisame is a beast. I believe that I never lost a match when I managed to make it to round 5. Continue with the aoe attack and win the game. If the opponent's threat is weakened because one or more of his ninjas are out of battle, I just don't use any skills and let 100 chakra kisame cut down the enemies. If there is still a close game going on, use mysteries after Kisame launchs his standard attack to let him abuse the maxed out chakra.

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Well that's it guys. It was a long piece of writing and I might've missed a few things. I am open to more suggestions, since I know that there are many players more experienced than I am. If you have any questions just ask!

This post was last edited by max***@gmail.com at 2016-9-19 04:00
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On 2016-09-18 15:33:35Show this Author Only
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For fire mains you could try

Main Kisame Tobi
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On 2016-09-19 03:22:12Show this Author Only
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Insightful post, I have been thinking of how to make Kisame work, don't have access to lightning main but I think you are on the right track with it. I think Root of Warrior passive is something to be considered vs certain lineups as well as you mentioned.

Been trying some Itachi+Kisame lineups but I think it is overkill on the chakra, Kisame doesn't seem to have issues reaching high amounts himself.
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On 2016-09-19 03:48:50Show this Author Only
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  • PointlesslyEpic On 2016-09-19 03:22:12
  • Insightful post, I have been thinking of how to make Kisame work, don't have access to lightning main but I think you are on the right track with it. I think Root of Warrior passive is something to be considered vs certain lineups as well as you mentioned.

    Been trying some Itachi+Kisame lineups but I think it is overkill on the chakra, Kisame doesn't seem to have issues reaching high amounts himself.
Thanks for the compliment :)

I also have been looking into Itachi + Kisame line-up, but I found it to be very tricky as well. Their combo is difficult to connect (high float, repulse, low float, AND knockdown). Moreover, both of them require the team to be built around their unique skill sets. Itachi's mystery just seems too good for Kisame to give up just yet, but I feel that it may be an overkill as well.

I'm very interested in line-ups including Itachi and I'm trying things with him as well. Hope we could find a perfect team for them both.
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On 2016-09-19 03:53:02Show this Author Only
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  • On 2016-09-18 15:33:35
  • For fire mains you could try

    Main Kisame Tobi
    tsunade
Thanks for your line-up :). I've seen many fire mains using Kisame and Tobi together. I think it is risky to have Kisame as the sole tank in the formation, and Tobi is a great addition to the team.
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On 2016-09-19 04:37:16Show this Author Only
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If you want more chakra to take advantage of Kisame's passive attack boost then try out Orochimaru with Kisame. Both are sword ninja so you can make them immune to conditions if necessary, which matters since Kisame can't heal if he's on fire. Orochimaru will provide you with free chakra every time someone dies. Clone supporters can help there and enemy clones feed your power too. Kabuto can even heal and cleanse while supplying them.
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On 2016-09-19 05:06:57Show this Author Only
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  • Kyutaru On 2016-09-19 04:37:16
  • If you want more chakra to take advantage of Kisame's passive attack boost then try out Orochimaru with Kisame. Both are sword ninja so you can make them immune to conditions if necessary, which matters since Kisame can't heal if he's on fire. Orochimaru will provide you with free chakra every time someone dies. Clone supporters can help there and enemy clones feed your power too. Kabuto can even heal and cleanse while supplying them.
Thanks for your insight!

I must try this line-up once I get Orochimaru. I can see that relatively squishy teams that rely on clone walls will have a difficult time with this line-up.
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On 2016-09-19 05:16:20Show this Author Only
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If your fighting 1 on 1 most fights are over in round 2 person who gets of his mystery usually won. All this turn 2+ is just wrapping up. If you want to win use more initiative in position one otherwise fire mains in one will eat you alive.
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On 2016-09-19 05:43:27Show this Author Only
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  • Belerephon On 2016-09-19 05:16:20
  • If your fighting 1 on 1 most fights are over in round 2 person who gets of his mystery usually won. All this turn 2+ is just wrapping up. If you want to win use more initiative in position one otherwise fire mains in one will eat you alive.
Thanks for the comment!

I realised that initiatives are really important in PvP, and usually the person who goes first takes the absolute advantage.

You are also right that most of the PvP ends in the first 2 rounds, especially the 2nd round, when you have 40 chakra points and most of your ninjas c*e their mysteries.

Like any other line-ups, this line-up has its weaknesses. You are right that Fire main's control skills can bring apart this line-up, but I assure you that fire main would have to tweak their lineups to bring this team down.

1. Fire main should be isolated in the first row for him to continuously apply sleep to Kisame. Because if other ninjas standard attack Kisame, he would wake up for round 2.

2. If the fire main decides to use clones for protection, it can't be placed on the first row, since clones attack last and it would wake Kisame up. This would let him compete in position 1 in round 2.

3. This means if you put firemain in position 1, you can't provide a proper protection for him. Moreover, if by any chance Kisame triggers low float and acupuncture in round 1, he becomes impossible to stop in round 2.

Since this is the case, most Fire users i meet position their main in the back to maximise the effect of sleeping. But this means that they will be behind in the move order, so I can just acupuncture him.

Such line-up falls under the category in which Kisame can be "nuked," so I will use Kurenai's shield on Kisame. Using Fire main's third skill on the first round doesn't matter since immobility wears off in a round. If the Firemain uses it on round 2, I c*e my lightning main's mystery with ease.

One more thing. Even without Kisame, the remaining three ninjas can trigger a full combo sequence, allowing me to acupuncture the enemies. And If the opponent has too much control in round 1, I can just use Roots of Swordsmen, bring Hinata to the first column and use her mystery.
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On 2016-09-19 06:27:15Show this Author Only
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Thanks for this post.

I have a 4 star Kisame going to waste this inspired me to try him out. It is a bit of a tankier, i'm an earth main, set up and the combos aren't as fluid as only a few link completely but it does enable kisame to potentially ramp up to great dmg.

Tsunade Main Kisame
x Orochimaru x
x x x

Talents: 1( or 3 but i like having an interupt) 3223
Summon: Snake ( my only gold summon)

Would love, if you have any, tips or insight on how to make it better. It's a fun switch from my normal team of

Tsunade Kakuzu Main
x Orochimaru x
x x x

Especially on server 9 where Kakuzu is popular so everyone knows to kill him first.
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On 2016-09-24 02:18:19Show this Author Only
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Try this one with Lightning main and Kisame :
e e e
e Kisame Neji
Sasuke3* LMC e

with talents: Chidori Blade , Beam of light, Lightning Sword(really useful incase neji dies), Warrior's killing intent, & Clone comination tactics.
Summoning required: Pakkun(chase LF and cause LF) This post was last edited by Kiiroi Senko at 2016-10-1 23:48
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  • Kiiroi Senko On 2016-09-24 02:18:19
  • Try this one with Lightning main and Kisame :
    e e e
    e Kisame Neji
    Sasuke3* LMC e

    with talents: Chidori Blade , Beam of light, Lightning Sword(really useful incase neji dies), Warrior's killing intent, & Clone comination tactics.
    Summoning required: Pakkun(chase LF and cause LF) This post was last edited by Kiiroi Senko at 2016-10-1 23:48
Well, i tried it dude but somehow its not working. also it doesnt have a healer.
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On 2016-10-01 23:49:27Show this Author Only
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Yeah i know man. That is the only reason i do not use this lineup....a healer. Except that, it works well for me.
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On 2016-10-09 04:21:39Show this Author Only
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I use
kimimaro
L-Main Kisame
Tsunade

with the white snake summon to go from knockdown to high float
the skill set up so far is 2-2-2-1-3 although im thinking about changing that and switching root to bloodthirsty but i like the debuff immunity too much atm.
I use it this way because with kimi and kisame up front they are more likely to get debuffed and i wanted a way to heal more than just one of them so it was either kabuto or tsunade and tsunade chased low float which is caused by kisame so i used her which is also good because of her mystery if she gets focused she doesnt have to waste a turn healing herself. although i think this team could be better im not sure how i would go about it
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