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On 2018-09-29 18:49:47Show this Author Only
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  • Danzō On 2018-09-29 10:04:15
  • If you are talking about any future ninjas, then no because of what happen to Ay. People were worried about Ay having to be 4* to skill break because of what happen in Germany rather than 3* like in China. Due to this, players cannot predict the future skillbreaks for ninjas at 3* will come and it is under the discretion of Oasis. A forum post won't change the mood as there is no good reason besides restricting who has access.

I'm more interested in getting a response on their reasoning. It's obviously caused confusion and frustration with some players. There's no reason for Oasis not to respond if they believe they have a justifiable reason for why Ay needs to be 4 stars.

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On 2018-09-29 19:44:22Show this Author Only
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  • Dostanica On 2018-09-29 18:49:47
  • I'm more interested in getting a response on their reasoning. It's obviously caused confusion and frustration with some players. There's no reason for Oasis not to respond if they believe they have a justifiable reason for why Ay needs to be 4 stars.

preach brother preach!

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On 2018-09-29 20:54:18Show this Author Only
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  • Dostanica On 2018-09-29 18:49:47
  • I'm more interested in getting a response on their reasoning. It's obviously caused confusion and frustration with some players. There's no reason for Oasis not to respond if they believe they have a justifiable reason for why Ay needs to be 4 stars.

Like I said, the only reason I could think of doing so is restricting the amount of people who can access those skillbooks/skillbreaks, If this is the case, I can understand why they are trying to avoid a post about it because of the expected backlash. Although, they have been transparent on some things in the past but as a whole time , they haven't been transparent on the level that is respected.

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On 2018-09-30 02:56:08Show this Author Only
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So... 100 extra frags.


Then maybe 50/100 frags per break?

Wow, expensive.

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On 2018-09-30 03:17:16Show this Author Only
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  • Danzō On 2018-09-29 20:54:18
  • Like I said, the only reason I could think of doing so is restricting the amount of people who can access those skillbooks/skillbreaks, If this is the case, I can understand why they are trying to avoid a post about it because of the expected backlash. Although, they have been transparent on some things in the past but as a whole time , they haven't been transparent on the level that is respected.

Yeah I just mainly want a reasoning and what their ideas going forward with SR breakthroughs are going to be like. Having consistency is important when dealing with customers and when we see an SR like Hashirama only need 3 stars but Ay needs 4 stars it just gets confusing. It has become a bit unnerving that Oasis still has refused to comment on the issue. (At least from what I've found, if they've already commented on this issue drop a link)

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On 2018-09-30 04:35:04Show this Author Only
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The reason for Ay needing to be 4* in order to skill break him is pretty simple. Moolah!

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On 2018-09-30 08:05:29Show this Author Only
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  • Dostanica On 2018-09-30 03:17:16
  • Yeah I just mainly want a reasoning and what their ideas going forward with SR breakthroughs are going to be like. Having consistency is important when dealing with customers and when we see an SR like Hashirama only need 3 stars but Ay needs 4 stars it just gets confusing. It has become a bit unnerving that Oasis still has refused to comment on the issue. (At least from what I've found, if they've already commented on this issue drop a link)

When I talked about restricting access, it was targeting meta changing skill breakthroughs. Between hashiarama and tobiarama at 3* and Ay at 4* is that SB Ay is meta and those two hokages aren't and their major usefulness is in 3v3 matches. If the change in stars was with two meta ninja, then inconsistency would apply. Another reason I can think of just so happened to be mentioned by others, which is money-drived. We won't know when they will add skill trials for him so at the moments whales will try to get frags in ingots/spending rebate events.




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On 2018-09-30 09:44:40Show this Author Only
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I’ve answered this quite a few times on Discord, as it’s the fastest way to receive a reply from a moderator

Ay does indeed require 4*s to breakthrough, while this is intended, this most likely is the result of what he brought in terms of balancing in CN

So while restricting his breakthrough, I’ll also add the fact that him receiving an entire breakthrough/mutation would be extremely unhealthy for the game at this juncture


Also please realize that in CN, the mere attempt to have him above 3* is extremely difficult and outright expensive (He’s not offered in incentives, compared to our version)

Additionally, we allow fragments to breakthrough.


Different systems, result in different restrictions. As much as I can understand the need for consistency, alterations can occur to requiring quotas.



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On 2018-09-30 14:29:03Show this Author Only
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Well if its done with intention of balancing then i'm fine with it...coz i don't want it be like CN where it used to be AY online and at the present we all know what's the meta..

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On 2018-09-30 16:37:53Show this Author Only
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  • Tobei On 2018-09-30 09:44:40
  • I’ve answered this quite a few times on Discord, as it’s the fastest way to receive a reply from a moderator

    Ay does indeed require 4*s to breakthrough, while this is intended, this most likely is the result of what he brought in terms of balancing in CN

    So while restricting his breakthrough, I’ll also add the fact that him receiving an entire breakthrough/mutation would be extremely unhealthy for the game at this juncture


    Also please realize that in CN, the mere attempt to have him above 3* is extremely difficult and outright expensive (He’s not offered in incentives, compared to our version)

    Additionally, we allow fragments to breakthrough.


    Different systems, result in different restrictions. As much as I can understand the need for consistency, alterations can occur to requiring quotas.



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On 2018-09-30 16:39:25Show this Author Only
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  • Tobei On 2018-09-30 09:44:40
  • I’ve answered this quite a few times on Discord, as it’s the fastest way to receive a reply from a moderator

    Ay does indeed require 4*s to breakthrough, while this is intended, this most likely is the result of what he brought in terms of balancing in CN

    So while restricting his breakthrough, I’ll also add the fact that him receiving an entire breakthrough/mutation would be extremely unhealthy for the game at this juncture


    Also please realize that in CN, the mere attempt to have him above 3* is extremely difficult and outright expensive (He’s not offered in incentives, compared to our version)

    Additionally, we allow fragments to breakthrough.


    Different systems, result in different restrictions. As much as I can understand the need for consistency, alterations can occur to requiring quotas.



will sus sasuke also have the same issue?

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On 2018-09-30 16:41:02Show this Author Only
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  • Meet150 On 2018-09-30 14:29:03
  • Well if its done with intention of balancing then i'm fine with it...coz i don't want it be like CN where it used to be AY online and at the present we all know what's the meta..

because you didnt wait a year to get him (FEELSBADMAN)

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On 2018-09-30 18:19:08Show this Author Only
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lol,only p2w can even have him

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On 2018-09-30 21:43:37Show this Author Only
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  • Tobei On 2018-09-30 09:44:40
  • I’ve answered this quite a few times on Discord, as it’s the fastest way to receive a reply from a moderator

    Ay does indeed require 4*s to breakthrough, while this is intended, this most likely is the result of what he brought in terms of balancing in CN

    So while restricting his breakthrough, I’ll also add the fact that him receiving an entire breakthrough/mutation would be extremely unhealthy for the game at this juncture


    Also please realize that in CN, the mere attempt to have him above 3* is extremely difficult and outright expensive (He’s not offered in incentives, compared to our version)

    Additionally, we allow fragments to breakthrough.


    Different systems, result in different restrictions. As much as I can understand the need for consistency, alterations can occur to requiring quotas.



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On 2018-10-01 02:37:00Show this Author Only
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Doesn't this make it even more unhealthy for the game? Locking a change that affects the meta behind a huge paywall makes it so big spenders have another advantage besides just higher power. Also receiving getting his fragments outside of the Kage treasure is insanely expensive and not really *ternative that anyone can go for besides big spenders. Just feels like a greedy cash grab to me.

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On 2018-10-01 03:32:25Show this Author Only
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  • Dostanica On 2018-10-01 02:37:00
  • Doesn't this make it even more unhealthy for the game? Locking a change that affects the meta behind a huge paywall makes it so big spenders have another advantage besides just higher power. Also receiving getting his fragments outside of the Kage treasure is insanely expensive and not really *ternative that anyone can go for besides big spenders. Just feels like a greedy cash grab to me.

Of course its a cash grab but it also does provide balancing. I don't really see it as unhealthy besides limiting the chances of the amount of people getting those skill breaks. Just like how shisui was introduced on this server, the large number of people getting him in the first few events he appeared in changed the gaming environment. People were angry that shisui was easily obtained and he was heavily present in arena right after.


Let's say, currently the number of people that have Ay is 200. Of those 200, only 5 can currently SB. Most likely they will see Ay meta as an option to use as a team rather th*e them as the go-to team as they have several other teams to use due to how much they have already invested. Those 5 most likely can beat the majority of the players without using SB Ay so it doesn't impact the gaming environment. The only thing we can do is just wait when they decide it is fine to introduce the skill experiments for Ay and when they add the skill experiment vials in events/group shop, as that's how you are most likely going to upgrade him.

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On 2018-10-01 04:10:58Show this Author Only
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  • Danzō On 2018-10-01 03:32:25
  • Of course its a cash grab but it also does provide balancing. I don't really see it as unhealthy besides limiting the chances of the amount of people getting those skill breaks. Just like how shisui was introduced on this server, the large number of people getting him in the first few events he appeared in changed the gaming environment. People were angry that shisui was easily obtained and he was heavily present in arena right after.


    Let's say, currently the number of people that have Ay is 200. Of those 200, only 5 can currently SB. Most likely they will see Ay meta as an option to use as a team rather th*e them as the go-to team as they have several other teams to use due to how much they have already invested. Those 5 most likely can beat the majority of the players without using SB Ay so it doesn't impact the gaming environment. The only thing we can do is just wait when they decide it is fine to introduce the skill experiments for Ay and when they add the skill experiment vials in events/group shop, as that's how you are most likely going to upgrade him.

still isnt fair

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On 2018-10-01 06:23:54Show this Author Only
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  • S440-Genesis On 2018-10-01 04:10:58
  • still isnt fair

Of course it isn't fair but which sounds better 200 people that have SB Ay that are stronger than you or 5? I rather take the 5.

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On 2018-10-01 08:47:59Show this Author Only
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Yall

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On 2018-10-01 10:36:57Show this Author Only
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  • Dostanica On 2018-10-01 02:37:00
  • Doesn't this make it even more unhealthy for the game? Locking a change that affects the meta behind a huge paywall makes it so big spenders have another advantage besides just higher power. Also receiving getting his fragments outside of the Kage treasure is insanely expensive and not really *ternative that anyone can go for besides big spenders. Just feels like a greedy cash grab to me.

Nah its not unhealthy for the game right now, because we don't have the mutations. The passive mutation (that give him scaling) is what make ay 4th broken in china. Without the mutation, he is hard countered by buff removers like 5kc madara/mask man/han. Even a shark kisame greatly neuters his effectiveness without the mutation.

He is not meta without the mutations, so it's still ok for the time being. The people who can access his skill breaks right now can easily kill a normal player much faster and consistently with ninjas like hiruzen or konan.

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