China has a different metha than we do. They are about 1-1.5 yrs ahead of us. They are both good. Kurama is better

I just wanted to comment on Madara's bad qualities.

Lack of Immunity isn't 100% correct, he is immune to chase attacks that isn't combo based. He is also immune to pure tai damage.

You also have 3 other ninjas you c*e to offset any debuffs. For example, Earth Main, Water Main, Any Healer, Gakido, Hanzo (Just to name some) and as well as Fire Main who c*so buff Madara with Fire Enhancement and make him immune to debuffs for a round.

As for lack of debuff infliction, What more do you think he'd do? Inflict paralysis? Or Poison? Or Immobile?

I'm sorry but this Madara is Konoha Founder, not an edo variant so it would make sense his only debuff he can give is ignite which is really good to stop healing.

I meant Immunity to debuffs. Your points are correct but Kurama Naruto can immobile people with his chase, which is one of his good points. I already did mention Madara being immune to tai and chases in his good qualities. These were just common complaints I had compiled from my server, I myself am in no position to comment on any of these supers since I don’t own any.

Edit: Also the lack of debuff immunity is 100% correct since Kurama is completely immune without support from other ninjas while Madara is dependent on Fire mains mystery which can grant him one for a round.

cons for kurama: low damage

cons for madara: squishy

They're both good in general.

Kurama is more for PvP in my opinions.

When it comes to PvP Madara is like another support to Konoha.

He still provides what's good for the team.

Group.

Kurama is still doing well, but meanwhile Madara smacks entire field with 9 units.

Madara can be used in many scenario for group fights such as Bond and GNW.

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About suppress armor. The cheapest ninja can do that is Tsunade SE as you quoted SB Ay and Edo Yagura. SB Ay is very expensive, just saying. You have to actually vs someone very heavy spender.

Tsunade SE is very situational ninja, rarely use to suppress Armor and she won't be pos 1 to stop him.

What I commented it sounds very bias to Madara. TBH I love both. I'd be happy whatever I get. I have teams in my mind.

Nvm Jiraiya SE suppresses Immunity.

although you are mention these ninjas, no one is really using them. so he doesnt have many counters in regards to immunity

Guy gate of Joy. suppress super armor too

Question: If a mystery, standard or chase is Nin/tai so does it mean Madara will suffer only half the damage considering he is immune to Taijutsu?

He is immune to pure tai. It means that nin and tai/nin dmg is fully applied.

Back at your question. Do you have shisui? If so, shisui + anbu itachi + madara + LM/FM is the best f2p team you can get with this SR.

SWB is all about speed. Unless you are way ahead, Kurama usually is not in the top speed bracket.

Itachi Susanoo is better than both of them.

But I have to add that Madara is miles better than Kurama, coming from a guy who won vs Kurama team that had 30k-35k+ more power than me. (yes I have the screenshots)

Madara always creates more issues, that Tai immunity creates a TON of problems for Kushimaru and Minato teams which are both at the top of the meta, Minato will also be at the top for a very, very long time. Madara also grants the person who has him faster wins which in some events is all that matters. Just don't put him pos 1, he is more of a high damaging support. Kurama doesn't really counter anyone, but Madara does counter some teams and he counters them HARD, just like Masked Man.

Kurama was always the FML pull for me, so I have no idea what you're talking about saying Madara was the FML pull, he never was, never will be lol.

Kurama naruto is op as move 1 ninja only in arena. Outside arena he is not meant at all to be move 1 and if you use it as move 1 you are mistaking (even the roshi bee earth main lineup works way better outside arena with roshi as move 1 and kurama as move 2).

A team that is really effective against most of the lineups currently used with him not in move 1?

x x Kushina habanero

x x x

Water main kurama kisame samehada

Talents: 32432, summon: koh, summon mystery: giant katsuyu level 3, ninja dog shiba, pakkun.

Good luck beating it on par power if they use wisely kisame mystery.

Just to add...once 5.0 comes out, most players will start focusing on elemental and non-elemental resistances in order to counter the Ninjustu heavy meta and there will be “supposedly” more features to do so. Since Madara is already immune to Taijutsu, his value will skyrocket since his resistance would also be well built up, making him a strongly defensive Ninja.

well all ninjas has good and bad lol

there are a ton of non elemental full nin or half nin/half tai attacks/mysteries (like, for example, kushina habanero mystery or konan angel of god mystery).