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On 2018-04-13 01:51:37Show this Author Only
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where is fun to be like a robot and waste 3 hours+/daily for 1 plunder with thousands of clicks and change mouse monthly .. zz no thx

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On 2018-04-29 01:29:37Show this Author Only
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IMO if they just limited the number of alts to be multi logged in it would lessen the impact. I would say main plus 2, 3 total, that way missions and and ti and Sa could all be completed and even the plunders/convoys(which is still a problem). And yes they could have several main accounts to exploit this as well , but at least it's a bandaid, putting more stress on bandwidth.as well as the luxury of having many pc's.

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On 2018-05-04 17:06:28Show this Author Only
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  • Waka_Man On 2018-04-09 17:37:22
  • @Billardo - This thing is illegal because it is the art of abusing alt accounts .. You can get as much as possible and buy something from the events without spending cash which is contradicting to the game's target, to earn cash .. If you can have all you want from saving up resources from doing that kind of way, then the game will not earn from you ..


    @*erduper - Just to clarify things with you, Oasis doesn't support this kind of thing, actually, to be able to act to this kind of reports, one must submit complete evidence that is reliable enough to punish one person, but making this step must be handled with so much carefulness, since one act can result to hundreds effect. Think of it, if someone just made an effort to make a plausible evidence just to get ban one person but that person is not guilty of the accusations and the game banned him, what's gonna happen? .. Do you get it? .. As you said, "Tons of reports", means tons of time to take investigations ..


    @yyyfss - Yes, its not fair. But if you only look into someone's earnings from what they're doing then you are not concern about the game but you are only concern for your own salty-ness-es . "oh he bought new ninja, dang he's cheater because he abuse alts". "oh he pulled super rare, he's cheater because he use alt in gnw", "oh oh oh lalala" .. Just think of it and compare it in real life, a hardworking person who works 2 to 3 kinds of job per day to earn more cash to achieve his goals and dreams, what he gets is what he deserves for his hardworking attitude and if you are affected with that, then your one big jealous ..


    NOTE : I'm not protecting those who abuses alt/clone/dummy/bunshin account to earn more coupons or whatever in the game, i'm just stating facts that you must consider that is comparable in real life situations. Now, if you find my opinions and comments are insulting in your part then maybe you're guilty of something. I for myself seen a lot of people doing this stuff, but hey, it's their own way of gaining resources without using any real currency, they are not doing anything against me so why get pssed with them .. let them be, respect each others ways of life, mind your own business, if they are doing illegal that is inflicting chaos towards the whole community the you must report it, but if the only ones getting affected is your ego then its your fault ..

@Qv Be honest as possible when answering my question. Do you do this or done this kind of stuff yourself haha




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On 2018-05-04 17:10:20Show this Author Only
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  • carebear On 2018-04-09 18:40:09
  • I forgot to put a sign * sarcasm *.

    I use alts, and I dont like when people who spend less time on this game than I, say that people like me dont play fair....

@carebear your name seems a bit misleading. you dont seem to care haha

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On 2018-05-06 01:13:04Show this Author Only
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  • random1 On 2018-05-04 17:10:20
  • @carebear your name seems a bit misleading. you dont seem to care haha

I agree with that, they don't care about the server, only their gains. If you want to play by yourself, play a different naruto game. As far as putting more work or more time into something like this is laughable. There are many who have created alts that are within range of plundering limits but virtually no work put into it, so thats bunk. Alts that are formidable in power says you don't want anyone else to plunder them, but also could be meaning you're using your alts to support your other lesser alts for those alts, a vicious cycle. Saying you don't like that people call you a cheater for doing these things means you do feel guilty about it. Justifying it by saying you play/place more time into cheating is also delusional, there are many who put just as much time into one character with out having to descend into cheating. There is no jealousy for this activity only frustration and pity for those doing the offending, like watching some one hitting themselves over and over. We all take advantage of certain loopholes sure, but abusing them is egregious.

Like in server 267, 30 alts to support a groups bp for xgnw. They have enough power w/o the alts, but 30 is way too excessive. In other servers there are groups that with out the alts wouldn't have the activity rate to qualify and thats handicapping the servers health by undermining a restorative server merge. And yes there is no guarantee that you'd get a merge as we all are unsatisfied by oasis' lack of action on doing so. If you want a server merge then there needs to be cooperative efforts server wide to do such, not prolonging it by creating more alts. From my perspective, it would be much nicer to play with a large assortment of real players than 10-15 people with 15 alts each.

Some one also posed would you mind if they plundered your character's ss convoys. I'd be more open to real competition rather than a redundant state. Some more divergent thinking needs to be employed to do something corrective, rather than defending or condoning it.

To the one saying it is legal, just because you get away with it doesn't make it legal. As far as a comparison to real life in having 3 jobs to achieve goals is misplaced, unless you don't mind some one who breaks into your house or steals your car as a side job. The real heroes are the ones with 3 jobs that support their families selflessly and usually for others in their life they care for and who volunteer their already limited time for the good of the community. Salute to all those 'Hey Mon' families.

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On 2018-05-12 09:18:11Show this Author Only
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  • Castnicke On 2018-04-09 18:58:42
  • I just want to add that it's not illegal, lol. Simply against the rules. It's not you'll go to jail for plundering your own alt in Naruto Online haha. :D

Simply against the rules.... Dude, thats what illegal is, an act against the rules.... Yes you wont go to jail if you did illegal things in game, but still it's illegal according to game rules...

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On 2018-05-24 00:36:51Show this Author Only
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Plunder Alt Break rule . HOW about this condition u play with ur friend then 1 his ID and 1 is yours. Both of u make pact so both of u play same time and feed each other CPS every single day on plunder this work on new system.

Dont u think its same with plundering alt ???


So i dont think thsi kind of thing break rule anymore cause they make us can do that.

ITs different from old version cause one side lost something. In old version when u do plunder that the only thing u can do that day .



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On 2018-05-24 07:51:52Show this Author Only
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You are not the first one, I made similar post, or maybe not a post but I went to support page to report with evidence...All they can do is just warn the person and no ban administrated at all... they ask "we need more evidence to issue a ban"..........................just ban the person to 3 days with enough evidence and that's it, personally not asking to ban forever you know, but hey, like someone said, they don't care, they just pretend they do by posting posts of "Hey, post here your issues, we give bans out to people misbehaving" in reality it just seems like a cover to laziness, since OG is so secretive about whatever they are doing, they are totally anti-transparency policy of whatever they are doing, either orders from Tencent or just themselves.

I sent many times report with evidence, but meh...like you said...1000% concrete bs evidence required when on LOG FILE that they CAN CHECK...is still not enough of a proof...now that's a pure bs to me, if you, as an administrator of servers and technical staff, or moderator, you can easily check the persons account for it in the database, check the log file of the date you are given, and especially time, and you can see how the IP's match. But nope, they just don't want to bother with the righteousness and fairness, they will just ask for more evidence....


Here is a line from a wise man a long time ago... - "If you can't beat them, join them." /very wise man/ Lets just promote the pay to win factor, and lets generate the unfairness to complete madness and utter bs level, people will want more to pay to beat others...ain't that right, OG? You know that I know. (comment probably will be taken down, judging by experience).


That alone is the problematic factor of this game, since that one fact (pay to win) alone is which determines the onward mental and moral thinking about us, the players, product users, consumers, customers...community. No respect towards us. Worse than EA (Electronic Art) with their bs microtransactions and overpriced DLC content that offers nothing of that value.




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On 2018-05-24 09:09:03Show this Author Only
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Enough ... This is absolutely legal! There is nothing in the rules about multiple accounts (people did not read them) ..

• Engaging in cheating or any other activity that OASIS deems to be in conflict with the spirit of OASIS.

This is the only point in the rules, but:

What is this?

People who are against this, spend 3 hours everyday to get 50 coupons. And every day they spend 13 coupons when plunder them.I feel sorry for you

Do you need a link to the rules? Read them before creating such topics....

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On 2018-05-24 15:34:40Show this Author Only
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Plunder alts break the rule? which rule?explain it!

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On 2018-05-28 06:56:58Show this Author Only
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  • ssf On 2018-05-24 09:09:03
  • Enough ... This is absolutely legal! There is nothing in the rules about multiple accounts (people did not read them) ..

    • Engaging in cheating or any other activity that OASIS deems to be in conflict with the spirit of OASIS.

    This is the only point in the rules, but:

    What is this?

    People who are against this, spend 3 hours everyday to get 50 coupons. And every day they spend 13 coupons when plunder them.I feel sorry for you

    Do you need a link to the rules? Read them before creating such topics....

I guess you missed this part of the ToS.

• exploit, distribute or publicly inform other members of any game error, miscue or bug which gives an unintended advantage.

exploit says it all as well as unintended advantage. Exploiting is the same as cheating and cheating is illegal.

exploiting alts to give an unfair boost to a groups activity rates, gnw participation, and of course, the advantageous acquisition of coupons. OG does warn/ban for this activity. If they do this then it's perceived to be illegal. In fact that is in accordance to your observed line '• Engaging in cheating or any other activity that OASIS deems to be in conflict with the spirit of OASIS.' Having multiple accounts is legal, exploiting the use of them is not. There is a difference.

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On 2018-05-28 11:13:28Show this Author Only
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  • sharpstickofdea On 2018-05-28 06:56:58
  • I guess you missed this part of the ToS.

    • exploit, distribute or publicly inform other members of any game error, miscue or bug which gives an unintended advantage.

    exploit says it all as well as unintended advantage. Exploiting is the same as cheating and cheating is illegal.

    exploiting alts to give an unfair boost to a groups activity rates, gnw participation, and of course, the advantageous acquisition of coupons. OG does warn/ban for this activity. If they do this then it's perceived to be illegal. In fact that is in accordance to your observed line '• Engaging in cheating or any other activity that OASIS deems to be in conflict with the spirit of OASIS.' Having multiple accounts is legal, exploiting the use of them is not. There is a difference.

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I think a lot of people just want to see a clear rule like "don't abuse alts" but the statement you mentioned covers it. It's up to people to figure it the understanding of the statement by themselves and/or by mods and to warn them before they promote on the forums that they plunder their own alts. I seen several people do this whether they know it is against the ToS or not. It gives OAS reason to ban them if they choose to even if if it is a commom practice.


I can understand plunder alts an issue but group activity? If servers aren't being merged, how can they get groups with low populations do GNW? I can't see any reason not to use alts to make sure a group has enough activity in a low populated server.




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On 2018-05-28 16:40:32Show this Author Only
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Why do you think they allow multiple accounts in their mini-client? They KNOW this thing exists and decided not to do anything about it. This is a better alternative than the game dying because of no player traffic.

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On 2018-05-29 02:14:54Show this Author Only
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How can this be illegal game let you have unlimited number account as you want on same server, so ask me anything you do with them account is far game to do in game...It take time to level them... and nothing stop other from looting his caravan....

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On 2018-05-29 17:02:03Show this Author Only
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  • newgate446@gmai On 2018-04-10 02:16:06
  • There is a lot work to raise those alts to meat the requirements to plunder yourself. You whine about him abusing this. what if he just farming your SS missions that would be better? And i doubt this is illegal, there is no online game that bans you for using your alts for your own benefits. Piece.

Do the alt ask for support? Do the alt fight back and maybe is able to win? If the reply is yes then is not illegal otherwise is illegal.

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On 2018-05-30 06:44:41Show this Author Only
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  • Scarlettblue On 2018-05-29 17:02:03
  • Do the alt ask for support? Do the alt fight back and maybe is able to win? If the reply is yes then is not illegal otherwise is illegal.

Nibba did you just say that the guy should ask for support to defend himself from his G 0D D4 MN SELF?!?!???? Holy sh1t ive heard some really dumb stuff up until now but i doubt anything else will top this.




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On 2018-05-30 19:57:14Show this Author Only
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  • Scarlettblue On 2018-05-29 17:02:03
  • Do the alt ask for support? Do the alt fight back and maybe is able to win? If the reply is yes then is not illegal otherwise is illegal.

How are you able to know that, from a outside perspective, unless you're the one doing it?

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On 2018-05-30 20:07:37Show this Author Only
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I decided to give my 2 cents here, in this matter, i've been playing MMORPG's since the days of TBC WoW, and one thing is clear, in every single online game, it's always against the rules the use of your alt, to benefit your main. And i say this with the most absolute certainty, because here's the deal, basically in some online games like naruto online, you plunder your alt account right, let's just say you do that everyday, monday to sunday(1 week) and that's 350 coupons you got in 1 week of plundering, now think about how much money Oasis is losing with this, and the amount of people that do it.

You have the monthly coupon deal which is nice, but, with this issue, people can outright skip the deal, cuz guess what, they got a free deal by plundering their alt, so they dont need to pay anything. So yes, i think Oasis is giving people the time to do this in a way, they allow people to do this from what i see so far, but a slap in the wrist is still required to look good on the picture(ToS ya know).

Now the most important part, you ask yourself why doesnt Oasis enforce the rules? Low population servers need this kinda deal, otherwise if oasis starts handing out bans to people or make people choose between their mains and alts, you know damm well what's gonna happen, overall it will hinder the naruto online population, and the dead servers will cease to even exist in some cases if that applies. So think of it as a lesser evil, that's needed.

So there ya go folks, i think it's pretty much known why this is a necessary evil at some point, im still in the opinion they should stop the new servers system creation, and focus on merges, and then start doing a bit of research on which players are abusing this system, it requires some work yes, but nothing is impossible with people who are dedicated to improve this game(not that i have faith in this team).

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On 2018-06-01 05:21:35Show this Author Only
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  • sharpstickofdea On 2018-05-28 06:56:58
  • I guess you missed this part of the ToS.

    • exploit, distribute or publicly inform other members of any game error, miscue or bug which gives an unintended advantage.

    exploit says it all as well as unintended advantage. Exploiting is the same as cheating and cheating is illegal.

    exploiting alts to give an unfair boost to a groups activity rates, gnw participation, and of course, the advantageous acquisition of coupons. OG does warn/ban for this activity. If they do this then it's perceived to be illegal. In fact that is in accordance to your observed line '• Engaging in cheating or any other activity that OASIS deems to be in conflict with the spirit of OASIS.' Having multiple accounts is legal, exploiting the use of them is not. There is a difference.

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That refers to the exploitation of a game error, miscue, or bug. Pretty sure multiple accounts wouldn't be considered a game error, miscue, or bug.

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On 2018-06-01 17:07:18Show this Author Only
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  • UchihaShay On 2018-05-30 20:07:37
  • I decided to give my 2 cents here, in this matter, i've been playing MMORPG's since the days of TBC WoW, and one thing is clear, in every single online game, it's always against the rules the use of your alt, to benefit your main. And i say this with the most absolute certainty, because here's the deal, basically in some online games like naruto online, you plunder your alt account right, let's just say you do that everyday, monday to sunday(1 week) and that's 350 coupons you got in 1 week of plundering, now think about how much money Oasis is losing with this, and the amount of people that do it.

    You have the monthly coupon deal which is nice, but, with this issue, people can outright skip the deal, cuz guess what, they got a free deal by plundering their alt, so they dont need to pay anything. So yes, i think Oasis is giving people the time to do this in a way, they allow people to do this from what i see so far, but a slap in the wrist is still required to look good on the picture(ToS ya know).

    Now the most important part, you ask yourself why doesnt Oasis enforce the rules? Low population servers need this kinda deal, otherwise if oasis starts handing out bans to people or make people choose between their mains and alts, you know damm well what's gonna happen, overall it will hinder the naruto online population, and the dead servers will cease to even exist in some cases if that applies. So think of it as a lesser evil, that's needed.

    So there ya go folks, i think it's pretty much known why this is a necessary evil at some point, im still in the opinion they should stop the new servers system creation, and focus on merges, and then start doing a bit of research on which players are abusing this system, it requires some work yes, but nothing is impossible with people who are dedicated to improve this game(not that i have faith in this team).

The part about having *t to boost your main being against the rules is soooo not true though.


Using your example, should you not be allowed to farm herbs on your alt in WoW to use them for crafting potions on your main? Would that be considering abuse, since you'd be able to have more professions than what is allowed on your main? No.


Or Eve Online, everyone has alts. You have alts that allows you to do things, or fly things, that your main couldn't do. Mining, boosting, lighting cynos, dreadnaught alts, carrier alts, tit*ts, etc, the list goes on.


I don't do the whole plunder-your-own-alt-thing myself, but why is it a problem? It means that person isn't plundering another player, so that player hasn't lost any coupons. It also gives other people a higher chance of being able to plunder. It's a WIN-WIN situation. The overall net gain of coupons is positive, for the whole server. I don't think that is a problem considering how many low pop servers there are.

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