Hello,

very nice guide of you, thnx for your effort, although one small mistake, Tag debuff reduces resistance and defense by 30% not only 10% !!

Thnx again for the guide its very useful for the beginners! :)

Removal priority has some mistakes. Here's the rules:

A: Paralysis, Slow

B: Acupunture, Blind

C: Immobile, Sleep, Chaos

D: Lower Defense/Resistance

E: Poison, Ignition

F: Tag, Imprison

Rule 1: Higher class debuffs are cleared first (Slow>Acupunture, Immobile>Poison)

Rule 2: If 2 debuffs are of the same class, the first one inflicted is cleared first (Slow is inflicted before Paralyze: Slow is cleared, Poison is inflicted before Ignition: Poison is cleared)

Rule 3: If Poison is reapplied it's order changes (Poison is inflicted, then Ignition, then Poison again: Ignition is cleared)

A CN player made a tutorial vid for this before. Here's the link:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BcfxDwSB-3k

You could also add, that if you use immobile on a enemy, that already made his standard attack, immobile effect will carry on to the next round. Same with sleep.

hi, would like to ask about damage calculation for poison and ignite

how does it calculate? % of target hp or % of att/nin value?

also it might OOT but how does damage from hidan mystery calculated? is it % of target hp or % of att/nin value?

sometimes tag lasts even 1 round only, but i still don't understand what makes tag disappear when this happens.

anyways, to do some punctualizations for what i understood about these matters:

1) Tag reduces 30% of the enemy defense/resistance, does not increase by 30% the damage. It means, if you own 10000 resistance and 8000 defense (is just an example) then, as long as you are tagged, you'll be considered like if you had 7000 resistance and 5600 defense. So the damage increase is the difference between how much the first values reduce it and how much the second ones do.

2) Sleep, Immobile and Chaos replace one another, so, if you are chaosed and you get sleeped you are now only sleeped and not both sleeped and chaosed.

Hi there! I have a suggestion tho maybe it is not that important but can you please include an image of the said ninja that is suffering debuffs .. Some people, usually beginners doesn't know the difference of those debuffs, aside from the animations that are happening to the ninjas when they suffer from the debuff .. when its glowing cloudy purple, having a red circle above their heads, glowing orange, and etc .. Nice guide tho bro, keep it up .. :D

ohfarts! i wish i can delete this comment .. I didn't notice the youtube link at the end of your post .. sorry2 :|

Screens. Hope you know which debuff is which, so i don't describe it))

This is a great guide to debuffs, good job.

Was wondering if you would mind me placing your guide on Naruto Online Wiki page?

Chaos, Sleeping, Immobile cancel each other. I tested it using Shisui and Kushimaru. I chaosed a ninja with Shisui and immobile with Kushimaru on the same round, and the next round, its back to normal. If a ninja can suffer chaos and immobile at the same time, then he will still be chaosed on the next round coz Shisui's chaos lasts for 2 rounds. So yeah, they cancel each other.

It should be noted that a 30% decrease in def and res does not mean a 30% increase in damage.

I'd like to add that every 1000 difference in control stats gives 10% chance to resist a debuff.

Which means if you have 3k control and your enemy 13k you will always control fail him.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Csa-HFddekI

skip to 4:43 in this video where he talks about control stats.

The video also talks about capability of pos2-3 moving faster than pos1 ninja with initiative difference (pos2 needs to have 10k more initiative than pos1 to move faster, and pos3 needs 20k more)

Not really, it would depend upon how much attack you had relative to the target.

If you had 4x as much attack as your target had defense, say 4k vs 1k, you'd expect to do 3k (4k-1k) damage before tagging and 3.3k (4k- 700) after, a 10% increase.

But if you had only 2x as much, say 4k vs 2k, it would increase from 2k (4k-2k) to 2.6k (4k-1.4k), a 30% increase.

Well yea tag still decreases defense so there will be an increase in damage. Its just that the same percentage decrease in defense does not mean its the same percentage increase in damage.

Yeah if they didn't modify the formula defense was near or greater than attack that would happen, but my understanding was that they have a correction exactly so that what you describe doesn't happen.

I thought this had been worked out and was pretty common knowledge? This model of damage would explain the discrepancy between the description of tag and your results. Maybe we could do some testing at different levels of attack to try to confirm/contradict this?

Edit: Also, even if this isn't how it works, I have trouble thinking of any model where a 30% reduction in defense would consistently result in a 30% increase in damage. What model are you proposing?

Edit: Didn't realize I was on a separate account when I wrote this, this is the same as ShikiIga, sorry for any confusion.

Sorry if that was unclear, when I said "what you described" I meant your hypothetical "if you had higher defense than opponent's attack he would deal 0 (zero) damage", not the part where you described what actually happened. We are both agreed on what actually happens and that the formula is more complicated than attack-defense for the reasons you stated.

As far as evidence against the flat 10% boost, that's pretty easy to check. If the effect is anything more complicated than what you are proposing, anyone with different attack/*ion values would be unlikely to get the same value by chance. So I just checked my Suigetsu damage with and without tags.

Without tags, on the single strikes I got an average of 3.5k and with tags I got 4.2k. On the double strikes I got 2.0k without tags and 2.4k with tags. On the triple strikes I got 1.6k without and 1.8k with. The triple strikes could be consistent with a flat 10% boost but the single and double strikes look closer to a 20% difference.

A couple notes for future testing

- I wanted to use Suigetsu to be consistent with your tests, but he may not be the best choice due to the single, double, triple attack business. We basically have three subsets of data which means it'll take longer to get a statistically significant set, and it would be easy to miscount the number of strikes which would mess up our data.

-I'm less confident about the triple strike data since it often (always?) resulted in chases making it harder to catch the values. Do triple strikes resulting in chases needed to be tracked separately or is the damage the same?

-I noticed you gave a single value but I saw a lot of variation, did you give average values or did you only test each attack one?