if you're saying this then you are still weak. Once you get to the point where ninjas have 20k hp each, killing things becomes a lot harder. and WM cancer teams run health moods alongside those triple heals. fully buffed i can't kill a ninja with 1 combo(i'm fire main). then when you add in sailor sakuras self healing on hit you can do even less.

i watch a LM vs FM team last night in space time where the FM had a sailor sakura, that sakura was living for 4 rounds after everything else died and the players had the same power, the LM only lost his 5th, so 3 damage dealers took 4 rounds to kill sailor sakura thats not because of a power difference or because of misplaying, its because sailor sakura is so tanky and heals so much.

now imagine if that sakura was supported by other healers, everytime you start a combo on her u basicaly waste ur combo that turn, and for most teams thats the only damage you deal round 1, because only what 3? ninja have round 1 nukes.

to the guy who talkied about using gnw tenten to 1 shot 5th, just lol, tenten cant do 1/3 of a ninjas health let alone oneshot it(and thats againt my fire team, not a root team or anything), even if you follow up with mei next turn that tsunade is likely to live because you have too little damage from your combo.


i didnt like root meta, it was hard as hell to beat, but at least i had a chance as firemain to beat people my own power(a small chance), water main poison after stacking 1 round hits me for 6k+(even if they have 10k less than me) vs CHidan fully buffed hits me maybe 5k max when they have the same power as me, and if the water main uses chaos guess what my healer will cleanse? WM is boring to fight as well, the only way to beat them is to cc lock them or cancel their mysteries(which doesnt work when they r faster than you on even 1 of their healers)

how exactly is this an easy win? u have 1(maybe 2 depending on fm) cc 1 interupt, their auto heals will negate all of your damage from normal attacks and they just need to start a combo and they will cc 1 on ur ninjas reducing your damage further(you can't reflect chaos since the poison hits first), they dont rely on damage from combos or interupting you to win, they let 6k poison ticks kill you while they heal.

both of danzo's cc will override each other and they are both the highest priority for cleansing so you can't stack them to prevent standards from cleansing them and you have to cc all 3 healers or they will cleanse some1 who then gets a chance to cleanse the team.

your combo is short and they dont hit hard max damage is about (5k sasuke myst + 2k danzo chase + 2k summon + 2k sasuke chase + 2k FM chase + 2k iruka chase) 15k if everything crits so that tsunade in the back still has 5k hp that you wont deal with iruka myst(which you dont have the chakra for anyway) so tsunade is cc'd until the first heal which gets burnt just to cleanse, then the next aoe heal brings her back to 9k, then 3 auto heals for 3k each bring her to full. these aren't numbers i'm pulling out of my ass, these are numbers ive seen in game. your saying its an easy win, and your right, its an easy win for the water main they just need to not auto and have a quarter of a brain to know to use healing mysteries after your combo

just wait for them to get another 30k hp. your still early game, heals are smaller, health pools are smaller. also the fact that your hanzo has more health than your mei shows they played wrong from the start, they should have focused you cleanse and let poison ticks kill you.

i made a team with mei, sage jiraiya, hokage tsunade, FM. so for cc i get: poison, ignite, chaos, immobile, blind, sleep. Guess what? THEY CLEANSE IT ALL WITH 1 HEAL. WM standard heal cleanses all debuffs on 1 ninja, WM and SSakura mysteries cleanse all debuffs on their team, so unless i can perfectly counter their mystery usage they will just cleanse that round after they clear 1 person of their hard cc and all my damage is gone. a ninja effected by immobile or sleep gets to use its standard after its cleansed even if its turn passed.

Its not that my wallet wont win, its i dont want to use the same broken ass *. if i go WM and play a cancer team i can win against the people playing that troll team now, but i dont want to play the broken main that takes 10 rounds to win because i have more hp, i want to watch a fight not watch a hospital room.

@Karissaa the fact that you are saying that you would get destroyed as any other main is proof that WM is op.

I want balance, i want people to be able and willing to pick any main and have fun playing them, i get sick of seeing the same 2/3 teams everywhere and its worse when the fights aren't about killing the other person but just surviving, seeing who can survive with more hp isnt fun, i want to see who can kill the opponent faster

im willing to change teams, i made a team specificaly to beat those water teams, i dont need my team to beat all teams(my water counter lost horribly to the LM on my server when my old team has a chance to beat that team). but when i make a team to counter 1 team and i still lose no matter what with that counter when i have equal power then something is wrong.

im fine losing when some1 out plays me, im fine losing when some1 out spends me. im not fine with losing to some1 who can win with less power and while making more mistakes during the fight just because they used something that was broken.

if any main is so powerful that all others are ignored in their favor then its a problem with balance, if people who want to be competitive HAVE to use that one team then there is something wrong that needs to be changed, it happened with fire main and tobi, everyone was going fire main using mirror and had tobi move 1 or they lost, that got nerfed because it was too op and even as a fire main i was fine with it in theory(they took the nerf too far imo, 3 talents nerfed).

if they nerfed fire main then there is no reason they cant nerf water main.

there is this thing called balance which i guess you dont know what it is. but when you have it games are more fun because there is variety instead of watching the same thing all the time, which gets boring and causes people to quit.

people on my server mood all 3 health since 1 combo will let poison tick for 6k without buffs and heals are capped at a % of max health anyway, so they heal more by giving everyone higher base health and tsunades nin growth *s(615 at lvl 90 red+2) so giving her nin moods is almost worthless. all that bonus health is worth more than the small amount of ninjutsu.

ive beat lightning blitz as fire even when they were stronger, after immunity ran out i kept using sleep on his main my hiruzen soaked up damage and suicided against his hidan, then since it was esentialy a 3v2 after round 3 and i could keep healing and stunning i won.

the power difference was only a few thousand, but honestly a stronger opponent should be harder to beat, i should have to screw up royaly for some1 20k power weaker than me to win when im using a team made to counter them, a lightning blitz team with 20k more power owns me flat out which is fine, but a triple heal team with 20k less power is hard to beat because u cant cc them, even using ignite poison blind immobile chaos accupuncture and sleep u cant keep a triple healer team from using their standard attacks for a single round since half of the hard cc dont stack, u can only stack blind with either sleep immobile or chaos so when u cc 1 person with 2 hard cc their other 2 healers cleanse both those hard cc and that healer gets to heal as well, which WM cleanses all debuffs so if u dont focus her every debuf is worthless with 1 standard attack, if u do focus her then u burn Sailor sakuras standard and tsunade cleanses the whole team before WM cleanses herself fully, so at best u can keep an ignite and poison on a couple people, but when they use healing mysteries that round all debuffs go away and they heal for about 20k hp that round(when they only use 1 healing mystery and standard heals) not to mention the damage the prevent from the debuffs they cleansed