Both Killer Bee and Ay can be used with Wind Main, so I'm not sure why you say you won't just because you aren't changing classes. xD But nonetheless, it's your choice of who you want to run a team with.

That's not how it works. The barrier caster/passive with slower Initiation gets to stay on the field because it activates after the faster barrier activated first (assuming both barrier ninja are in the same Action order). This post was last edited by Valelow at 2017-1-24 11:13

No, lol. Not with auto barriers.

He's a super rare you cant expect super rare ninjas to be push over ninjas for there cost.

Secondly since raikage doesn't have samui (yet) to fully utlize him his attacks are random, if you have clones, he'll waste autos on them most likely. He's not even useful currently without samui, if you're getting beat that hard there is a BP difference and/or your current lineup may just be garbage.

Fire mains shield stops alot of his damage. Accupturing him so he doesnt mystery works as well. I vsed someone 10k bp higher than me and his Ay didnt even kill anyone turn 1 since my fire shield stopped all tags.

http://i.imgur.com/9JqNCIk.jpg?1
This guy is 11k power higher than me taking passive barrier off me and I still almost beat his raikage cursed hidan team. doesn't seem that op to me. especially if you are running wind main and have a * ton of clones raikage probably won't do anything unless he's very lucky

His team set up is bad. You never want Raikage in spot 2. No clue why people think it's a good choice. He'll just be cc'd quickly. As for Hidan, no clue why that either. There are builds for Raikage until Samui arrives. Plus placements are also a big factor. It's not all about power.

his team not being optimal or not isn't really the point. He was way higher power with barrier on me and still didn't kill anyone turn 1 so chances are the OP is getting mad at losing to people way higher power than him with raikage rather than even power.

Yeah I guess. I've had several experiences with it, but not that gap difference in power.

Would also like to note Tendo is still an amazing ninja and people write him off over his 'nerfs' just because they don't know how to use him anymore. He is also way more useful than Raikage until Samui comes out

Man that is a bad lineup lol. What is that use of Ay in front row for but to get debuffed. Just bad formation. 15k power difference at max won't matter much if the lineup *s. You almost beat a bad lineup at best. In no way do cancer scrub lineups reflect on current meta at all. I also don't get the use of running Cursed Hidan + Ay without a way to blitz round 1 with 40 chakra. Ditch the Ay in that team. Just slowing it down without the extra 20+ chakra boost.

it is bad but again not really the point. raikage is the worst super rare rn without samui to support him anyway and at even power no matter what the team is he shouldn't be killing everyone round 1

I think the only "op" thing about Ay is that Hinata's rotation and other similar passives don't work against him. And if you want you c*e Lightning Main's LV. 80 mystery to kinda "aim" him. You just need a nin to give 20 chakra. (When I goof around I use the Calm mind, Killer Bee, Ay and have Killer bee make main go twice. "aim" Ay and then go from there)

This post was last edited by KiiroiSenko at 2017-1-31 10:15

Right, let me just join the conversation. By no means is AY that op at the moment... In fact, hes actually kind of weak.

I am a f2p just to point out, recently got Ay. Ran test fights against people I can beat with my fire/lightning/water teams and I cant beat the same people with any builds I come up with that include Ay.

Just saying, I feel like wasting 900 seals to be quite honest... people who have susanoo sasuke, that I could beat with ease as blitz, I barely get by them now... Ay is not OP, but he kind of *s, considering that you can get Han + Roshi for the same price.

Hi guys! This was an old topic from January 31st, 2017 that was brought back, so I will be closing this =p

~Jib