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[ Other ] Is there an issue/bug with Sugetsu(Taka) Ninja Evasion compared to other ninjas?

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On 2021-02-04 23:29:51Show this Author OnlyDescending Order
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Hi,


I am noticing that Suigetsu's Ninja evasion is happening more often than 30%. There are ninjas out there with VERY High chance of dodging Standard, Mystery, chase and it does not happen as often as Suigetsu(Taka) Ninja Evasion. I just got Indra and he did not even dodge 3, THREE, mysteries that came he way at turn 1 before he EVEN acted. The description of Indra is almost the same as Naruto Sage of the Six Paths and it never triggers, even Madara Ten Tails dodge more often than my Indra. Could you please help explain what is happening? There should be no way 30% happens more often than 30% and a description that has VERY high chance did not even trigger ONCE at 3 mysteries or even attacks or chases before he moves or used a mystery.

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On 2021-02-04 23:38:02Show this Author Only
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Luck maybe?

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On 2021-02-04 23:41:00Show this Author Only
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I don't think so, because Naruto Sage of the six paths dodge the mystery, chase, standard ALWAYS once. There is seriously no reason why Indra does not dodge it when he has the SAME wording except for *First*

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On 2021-02-05 15:12:20Show this Author Only
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Evasion Rate that evades multiple types of actions (can evade mys, chase or standard) and can be triggered multiple times per round will be affected by Defense and Resistance stat.

The higher the Def/Res stat of that ninja or the lower Def/Res stat of the opponent, the more chance that ninja will evade.

To know very specifically and more above those evasion, check out my Debuff/Effect do(cu)ment, which is linked in a pinned thread in Strategy Section.




This post was last edited by YujinTakara on 2021-02-05 15:14:33.
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On 2021-02-05 18:58:39Show this Author Only
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  • YujinTakara On 2021-02-05 15:12:20
  • Evasion Rate that evades multiple types of actions (can evade mys, chase or standard) and can be triggered multiple times per round will be affected by Defense and Resistance stat.

    The higher the Def/Res stat of that ninja or the lower Def/Res stat of the opponent, the more chance that ninja will evade.

    To know very specifically and more above those evasion, check out my Debuff/Effect do(cu)ment, which is linked in a pinned thread in Strategy Section.

What are you even talking about bro , defense and resistance has nothing to do with evasion/dodge. Combo stat is the only thing that affects it and that's why for example ninjas like Angel Konan with chakra combo boost easly hit ninjas with this type of dodge. (She is easiest ninja to check that rule or drop swimsuit konan on suigetsu and check his dodge abilities and then apply minato barrier for 100%def/res that will do nothing for your dodging ability)


He is right tho about it being % based like control. Very high chance to dodge is fixed value limited to 1-2 depends on a ninja. High chance to dodge is based of your combo stat and can be triggered multiple times aka GNW Madara, Suigetsu etc (applies to standards / chases / mysteries depending on a ninja). You should notice that Kisame with same dodge as Suigetsu dodges way more than him because of pos1/2 combo difference.


So it's not a bug just difference type of dodge. You can argue what's better but just remember Naruto meta is around the corner and you won't have to think about it anymore



@Zeromana since we are in the same server cluster checked your team in SpaceTime. You are using pos2 Indra and that's why he is not dodging enemy pos1 attacks (because of huge difference in combo stat between ninjas). To anwer your next question, No he is not same as 6p naruto, our translation in the game is wrong. He is worded as "High chance to dodge chases, mysteries, standard attacks .... limited to 2 times" not "Very high chances"


blame Oasis I guess. Not sure if it's just a typo or they did it on purpose so more people buy Indra but either way that's absolute madness to sell such expensive ninja with wrong translations. I mean its 100% refund worthy with apologies from Oasis and overall gifts to playerbase for such insane mistake that can mislead people to spend thousands dollars.




This post was last edited by Kiriya. on 2021-02-05 20:10:18.
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On 2021-02-05 19:08:24Show this Author Only
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trust me

i've test it for like a thousands of times and gathered some of my friends to test too

all results confirm that Defense and Resistance affects evasion rate

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you can see it yourself in some fights, for example edo minato will dodge like crazy when his barrier is active, and his barrier increase Def Res




This post was last edited by YujinTakara on 2021-02-05 19:09:22.
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On 2021-02-05 19:13:34Show this Author Only
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No i won't trust you, you have no idea what you are talking about. Minato standard dodge is pure RNG doesn't matter if you are using barrier or not. Doesn't matter if it's the fight between 1000 power vs 2 000 000.

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(EDIT. my bad, was bad idea to write it with out testing it myself didn't think 2 different stats might affect same effec cuz i knew combo does and now I wonder if there are some hidden bs like this that increase rate of crit/control etc)


Indra has same type of dodge as Suigetsu but its actually crippled by 3 things.


1) It's limited to 2 times and Suigetsu has unlimited dodge

2) Indra's evasion drops by 90% which is like ... why is this even a thing

3) Suigetsu has 30% Evasion buff you can read it as 30% increased combo stat and that's why he dodges more than Indra by default.




This post was last edited by Kiriya. on 2021-02-05 20:11:46.
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On 2021-02-05 19:16:04Show this Author Only
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I will tell you that combo stat matters for sure like that's 100%, maybe just maybe you are also right that def/res works too i will have to test that one myself so I shouldn't be rude to you my bad on that one.



Ok tested it (found by accident good test subject how to check it quickly) and both of us are right. Combo stat AND defense/resistance difference between players affect dodge rate aka evasion.


Test was actually super simple:

Used my suigetsu with and with out minato barrier + root of the warrior (honestly at this point i couldn't really tell a difference if its rng or it works but my friend had halloween kimimaro that really helped me with this test by dumb luck) so

1) No minato / root My Suigetsu with level 14 combo runes easly hit enemy pos2 kimimaro with standard attack and didn't proc kimi standard block passive (that * is also evasion based)

2) No minato / root suigetsu removed all combo runes and kimimaro blocked all of my standard attacks so clearly combo stat affects this

3) Put minato barrier and root of the warrior but still had removed combo runes and to my shock you are actually right suigetsu hit all his standards vs kimimaro again


So difference in both def/res and combo matters not really sure which one is more important (honestly tho i feel like combo, Mana uses meta Ashura/Indra/Minato so if his Indra with minato barrier can't dodge much then probably combo stat matters more)




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On 2021-02-05 20:25:13Show this Author Only
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I guess I should not bother to do that apology to you since you are another discord celebrity kid that posts everything for luls everywhere instead of actually checking out my points about the dodge yourself too. So don't be too full of yourself mr Expert since you were wrong as well and combo stat clearly also affects dodge but Im not gonna drop this on discord out of context everywhere for few KEKW circle *s Cheers mate



EDIT: Ok didn't have that much time in the morning to do testing for an hour. Did it now in multiple scenarios and final conclusion is:

1) Combo is by far the stat to look at if you want to increase chance to dodge/hit targets

2) Defense and Resistance also increase your chance to dodge but you literally need crazy advantage in this aspect to notice a difference (so minato barrier, root of the warrior or crazy power advantage are the only ways for this to matter and with no barrier meta clearly you want to look at combo stat instead on top of combo being superior stat for dodging, need 5-10k thousand more than enemy to see huge difference)


So mr buff / debuff expert you clearly have no idea that combo is by far superior stat and the MAIN one when you want to increase/decrease chance to dodge/hit not defense/resistance like you said. Less time spamming KEKW on discord to your buddies and more proper tests next time instead of misleading people.


This entire topic of increasing dodge chance aside it's really sad that you didn't know Zeromana that Indra's translation are wrong before getting him and at least some apologies from Oasis would be nice...




This post was last edited by Kiriya. on 2021-02-06 01:18:37.
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Hello, thank you guys for both testing this thoroughly. However, I will have to say that you two should go your own ways and believe your own separate ideas. As for the original poster, ZeroMana, as you can see by reading the research performed by both of these individuals, there are other stats that can affect evasion rates, you can make your own decision about what you believe can have an affect on evasion based upon the research performed by others, if you choose to.

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