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On 2020-10-14 13:14:30Show this Author OnlyDescending Order
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I'm sorry but she's ridiculous, how can a ninja 4v1 your team and out heal your damage while also 8k crit round 3. Her only counter is herself and I also don't think basing a team just to counter her (fire main) makes an sense.

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On 2020-10-14 16:45:27Show this Author Only
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new year hashirama, summer kurenai, ibuki etc

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On 2020-10-14 17:14:40Show this Author Only
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  • MrDumpling On 2020-10-14 16:45:27
  • new year hashirama, summer kurenai, ibuki etc

Exactly, there are plenty of counters for kushina apart from herself.

You just need to know who they are

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On 2020-10-14 17:46:33Show this Author Only
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I mean, I can literally beat Kushina Teams with Edo Minato, and 8 Tails Killer Bee.

I c*so just Suppress Immunity and use Edo Itachi

There is also Ibiki too!

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On 2020-10-14 18:13:55Show this Author Only
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Just use ninjas that can supress imunity, like Kurenai Summer, Kushina isnt OP

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On 2020-10-14 19:09:44Show this Author Only
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On 2020-10-14 19:55:26Show this Author Only
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"kushina is too op" while kakuzu was more cancer lol, or you forgot naruto 6paths era?

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On 2020-10-14 20:10:44Show this Author Only
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  • gogogoggle On 2020-10-14 17:14:40
  • Exactly, there are plenty of counters for kushina apart from herself.

    You just need to know who they are

"plenty"

ibiki

kurenai summer

bee 8 tails

hashi new year

madara gnw sb

madara ten tails sb

asura


A game with hundreds of characters , there are 7 that have a *chance* to counter her, the closest thing we have to a hard counter is ibiki, and since kushi is always pos 1 stacked to hell and ibiki is a support character unless you are a whale you will get control fails more often than he will succeed

Of those other characters

madara ten tails is impossible to get

asura is impossible to get


kurenai summer is terrible

hashi new year is also not great

^ both of these characters have useless control abilities, because with no chakra minimum to remove the control, the number of characters and even a summon that can remove the control outnumber the characters that can cause it about 100 to 1, any wind, water or fire main can remove it instantly many earth mains can remove it with the double attack mystery, any gakido, jigokudo,sakura,tsunade,karin,slug,cee,shizune


bee requires having higher init to effectively counter kushi


And you are overlooking the fact that kushi is always used as a carry, she is a stacked pos 1, unless you have one of 7 specific characters in your lineup and have higher init and/or high enough control to stop a stacked pos 1 they all fall short


And you are overlooking her scaling, not only do you need init and control and to be able to stop the opponent from using literally any heal or debuff removal in the game that can easily render kurenai and hashi dead weight, on top of that you also need high enough damage output, if you cant control and kill her quickly then by the time the control is removed she will be stacked and with her obscene 20% life recovery twice per round will still obliterate you

She is not unbeatable but she is very * close, and you cannot honestly say she is not op, she is the definition of broken, highest scaling in the game, highest self heal in the game, cd reduction on every hit taken. Every one of her skills is op and since she is free she is by a long long way the most common carry ninja in the game, she can easily and single handedly win a match after the rest of your characters have been beaten


TL:dr, She is a god tier character with unmatched health recovery and stacking percent who is also completely free, and it requires very high init and/or very control and very high damage output to even stand a chance against her, otherwise she can win a match on her own. Beatable? yes, but undeniably OP

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On 2020-10-14 20:13:43Show this Author Only
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  • The_X On 2020-10-14 19:55:26
  • "kushina is too op" while kakuzu was more cancer lol, or you forgot naruto 6paths era?

kakuzu was very shortly lived though, at least in my cluster, he was "meta" for less than a month.


I agree on 6p that was also boring, he too was a 10 round leech spammer, but since then has been outdated, but kushi can still very much hold her own, unless you are at the pinnacle of spenders and have fully sb madara ten tails with unreal initiative there is no one character that can put a hard stop to kushi, that is what makes her op. I really hope she dies off soon, my server is almost 4 years old and each round in gnw takes around half an hour because the only other group active enough to register is run by a try hard who wants the title and sets all 40 alts with def stacking kushis and gaara kk's. You have never experienced boredom until you have faced that player

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On 2020-10-14 20:15:52Show this Author Only
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kakuzu beats her easily

sasuke rinne also beats her usually with his crazy scalling

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On 2020-10-14 20:36:17Show this Author Only
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  • ggoogagoegigo On 2020-10-14 20:13:43
  • kakuzu was very shortly lived though, at least in my cluster, he was "meta" for less than a month.


    I agree on 6p that was also boring, he too was a 10 round leech spammer, but since then has been outdated, but kushi can still very much hold her own, unless you are at the pinnacle of spenders and have fully sb madara ten tails with unreal initiative there is no one character that can put a hard stop to kushi, that is what makes her op. I really hope she dies off soon, my server is almost 4 years old and each round in gnw takes around half an hour because the only other group active enough to register is run by a try hard who wants the title and sets all 40 alts with def stacking kushis and gaara kk's. You have never experienced boredom until you have faced that player

that's the thing... you had him "meta" less then a month... but that doesn't apply to everyone...

but still she have counters... for a big portion of time the other 2 examples didn't had counters, the only thing that could counter 6p was unmissable intrerupts with more initiative which there was not many back then, the other one was ay bt but at that point he was like 40k+ cp and edo minato was to be released, kakuzu was worse cuz in CN there are a lot of bt/st and ninjas against kakuzu, we got what? one or 2 ninjas to "counter him" later (also keep in mind very VERY important, some time ago CONTROL worked a lot different, nowadays you can control with pos4 enemy's pos1.... )

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On 2020-10-14 21:18:36Show this Author Only
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Here we go again. After getting super ultra shamed for saying she has counters and can be beaten, I can now confidently say there are ninja that play this game that know how to fight her and ninja that don't. This is similar to discussing politics, no one will persuade the other side and it will escalate until people start becoming offensive then rage quit the conversation. Everyone stay safe!

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On 2020-10-14 23:36:19Show this Author Only
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  • The_X On 2020-10-14 20:36:17
  • that's the thing... you had him "meta" less then a month... but that doesn't apply to everyone...

    but still she have counters... for a big portion of time the other 2 examples didn't had counters, the only thing that could counter 6p was unmissable intrerupts with more initiative which there was not many back then, the other one was ay bt but at that point he was like 40k+ cp and edo minato was to be released, kakuzu was worse cuz in CN there are a lot of bt/st and ninjas against kakuzu, we got what? one or 2 ninjas to "counter him" later (also keep in mind very VERY important, some time ago CONTROL worked a lot different, nowadays you can control with pos4 enemy's pos1.... )

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On 2020-10-14 23:38:51Show this Author Only
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Kushina is the only ninja that gives a f2p player half a chance against p2w player and they not gonna give madara 10 tails so leave her. She is beatable.

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On 2020-10-14 23:41:44Show this Author Only
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All ninjas have counters people are just to lazy to find them and p4 can control a p1 if you stack the p4 but no one does that. I do.


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On 2020-10-15 00:17:53Show this Author Only
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  • KonoKazuma On 2020-10-14 20:15:52
  • kakuzu beats her easily

    sasuke rinne also beats her usually with his crazy scalling

"his crazy scaling"?

I am not getting involved in this whole thread, there is already too much to read, correct me if im wrong but wasn't it confirmed that sasuke's scaling does not stack ? he drains chakra at the end of the round and the buff that provides only lasts for the next 1 round?


Kushi's scaling is consecutive, each round her scaling builds on top of the previous rounds power up, sasuke does not meaning whether she has attack or defense skill her scaling would still dwarf sasukes. I think i remember reading that?




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On 2020-10-15 00:24:38Show this Author Only
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  • JDoe On 2020-10-15 00:17:53
  • "his crazy scaling"?

    I am not getting involved in this whole thread, there is already too much to read, correct me if im wrong but wasn't it confirmed that sasuke's scaling does not stack ? he drains chakra at the end of the round and the buff that provides only lasts for the next 1 round?


    Kushi's scaling is consecutive, each round her scaling builds on top of the previous rounds power up, sasuke does not meaning whether she has attack or defense skill her scaling would still dwarf sasukes. I think i remember reading that?

pretty sure it stacks

Im getting more damage every round, even if he has the same amount of chakra at the end of previous rounds

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On 2020-10-15 01:03:56Show this Author Only
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maybe I am misremembering , sasuke isnt a character I paid much attention to, guess I'm wrong. Thanks for the information

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On 2020-10-15 02:56:59Show this Author Only
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i think you misunderstood some of my points, first, about 6p and kakuzu, im talking about at release/btst release they HAD no real counters but kushina have as for control, some time ago, i think a year if not mistaken, it was control vs control, NOW it is calculated somehow in another manner and you can see pos2-3 150k power control 300k pos1 , is not 100% reliable but is more often possible, back then you couldn't if you didn't had the control to back it up, not sure if there are sill threads of people talking about it back then

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On 2020-10-15 03:26:59Show this Author Only
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u know who needs nerf.... Tsunade reserve seal, not kushina, besides she has been here for a while

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