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On 2020-09-09 19:45:54Show this Author OnlyDescending Order
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Been a while since I posted, havent played in a while but loaded up the game to kill some time during a particularly boring weekend and I see that nothing has changed.

In just moments I am reminded why this game quickly becomes more frustrating than fun, my account is rigged, 100%, no one can tell me otherwise.

I could give as many examples as people are willing to read, I honestly have thousands of them.

But one quick example, which if anyone can explain to me how it is possible by any means other than account rigging, plant/mod/admin accounts or straight up hax I am all ears.


ranked arena

I have edo minato 5 star full sb

kimi halloween 4 star

kakashi summer 5 star

earth main


The opponent has

3 star edo minato

3 star kushi

water main

edo madara


Round1:

I get my kimi barrier up, deal a fair amount of damage to their team

The damage done to me is minimal because they have 3 offensive standard attacks and kimi blocks 2 of them


Round2:

I use minato mystery ( the +2) thinking that should be the match finished, somehow my minato did, in total, less than 3k damage, didnt finish anyone.

Opponent used water's heal, waited until their minato standard had popped my minato dodge and then used their minato mystery, he wipes out my entire team, 34k health gone, like that.


So if anybody at all can offer any explanation how a 3 star edo minato, whose only buff came from kimi barrier dealt more than 10 times the damage that my minato with 30% mystery sb, 60% buff from kakashi and kimi's barrier buff did, I would honestly like to know what I am apparently missing




This post was last edited by JDoe on 2020-09-09 19:45:54.
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On 2020-09-09 21:17:27Show this Author Only
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As for how you did so little damage, I'm not sure (you might just have been unlucky) but for their minato they probably did so much damage because of kakashi's buff, since you'll have 30% less def/res.

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On 2020-09-09 22:20:17Show this Author Only
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  • Zeno-kun On 2020-09-09 21:17:27
  • As for how you did so little damage, I'm not sure (you might just have been unlucky) but for their minato they probably did so much damage because of kakashi's buff, since you'll have 30% less def/res.

That is a fair point, but the maths still dont add up.

kakashi reduced my def/res by 30% so I would take more damage, but on the other hand his buff for my mystery was 60% but where that buff went I have no idea, it clearly wasnt on my minato, I admit im not sitting here with my calculator, but the numbers are so vastly different it doesn't seem legit.

a 3 star ninja with 60% buff from barrier, hitting a team with 30% reduced def res still doesn't account for 10 times more damage output than a 5 star version of the same character with more buffs backing him.


I lose all the time believe me, I am use to that by now, ranked arena is the only pvp thing I actively take part in anymore, other than that im here purely as a collector, but when stuff like this happens its just dumb. If i spend time and money to get these characters upgraded and with no readily apparent reason they are significantly weakened in comparison to other players I dont know what im supposed to do about that.


I made a thread a long time ago asking for an explanation about how stats and chanced based skills work because this has always been true for my account, it doesn't work, plain and simple, this isnt some kind of awkward ass brag, this is just explaining it in as simple terms as I can, 5 star edo minato, 4 star edo tobi, 4 star edo itachi, 4 star madara 5k, all who never dodge anything at all, a 4 star sasuke rinne and 4 star kurenai summer, between them have caused chaos fewer than 10 times in the course of about 4 months, when I use fire main my reflect does not work, and I have not once been able to hit 2 targets with his sleep standard and when water I have never seen my dodge animation, even taking "luck" and "random number ...bs" into account, im not talking about a one off or a frequent occurrence, im talking about consistent behavior for all of my characters for as long as ive owned them, they dont work as their own skills describe, thats not "chance" thats an intentional pattern, hence I believe, with 4 years worth of first hand evidence, that this account is rigged. Only possible explanation at this point





This post was last edited by JDoe on 2020-09-10 04:32:04.
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On 2020-09-10 05:10:53Show this Author Only
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It's arena, crazy stuff happens there that never happens in real PVP.

Go auto in arena, anything else is a waste of time.

Fight for real when you stats actually matter.

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On 2020-09-10 06:02:15Show this Author Only
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  • brensonlee On 2020-09-10 05:10:53
  • It's arena, crazy stuff happens there that never happens in real PVP.

    Go auto in arena, anything else is a waste of time.

    Fight for real when you stats actually matter.

so its normal in arena you would say? my problem isnt only in arena, but thats interesting if true.

on my main server the guys in my group use the same team every month ( minato as pos 1) because it works for them, I seem to be the only one in my group with a minato unable to dodge. That's not just my salty perspective by the by, the seniors helped me come up with a different team for use in gnw because my minato was getting wiped out too fast by taking hits, im not overly powerful or important or anything in gnw, but I have pretty good init so it was a waste for a potential decent pos 1 to keep getting cut through so easily




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On 2020-09-10 17:52:48Show this Author Only
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  • JDoe On 2020-09-10 06:02:15
  • so its normal in arena you would say? my problem isnt only in arena, but thats interesting if true.

    on my main server the guys in my group use the same team every month ( minato as pos 1) because it works for them, I seem to be the only one in my group with a minato unable to dodge. That's not just my salty perspective by the by, the seniors helped me come up with a different team for use in gnw because my minato was getting wiped out too fast by taking hits, im not overly powerful or important or anything in gnw, but I have pretty good init so it was a waste for a potential decent pos 1 to keep getting cut through so easily

Arena MOSTLY, strips you of your equipment/runes/Lee Paths/summon bonus that pump you up. But things that have been added since early in the game (Treasure tools, Myoboku, Assist links, Five Nature Chakra, Ninja Assist, Secret Scroll) will all be added to your team's stats. So, older and $$$ players will still have an advantage. Those players that have maxed out those new things are going to do just what you saw, take ~50% damage from you, but completely wipe you out in 1 attack. The star level of the ninja is not going to impact the damage done hardly at all. <100k power star level is a big deal, after that....not so much.

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On 2020-09-11 05:06:09Show this Author Only
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  • Picklejuicy On 2020-09-10 17:52:48
  • Arena MOSTLY, strips you of your equipment/runes/Lee Paths/summon bonus that pump you up. But things that have been added since early in the game (Treasure tools, Myoboku, Assist links, Five Nature Chakra, Ninja Assist, Secret Scroll) will all be added to your team's stats. So, older and $$$ players will still have an advantage. Those players that have maxed out those new things are going to do just what you saw, take ~50% damage from you, but completely wipe you out in 1 attack. The star level of the ninja is not going to impact the damage done hardly at all. <100k power star level is a big deal, after that....not so much.

I don't even like OP, but you have to admit, it's unlikely that their opponent had higher stats on the things you mentioned that count towards arena. Someoneone running 3* Minato and Kushina is not going to have stronger Treasured Tools, Assists, Five Natures, etc., than someone who has been playing for years and has put money into the game. Surely there must be another explanation. The only thing I can think of is something to do with their Edo Madara cancelling buffs, but it really shouldn't matter because his barrier would be overriden by Kimimaro's and Kakashi's buff only happens in round 2.




This post was last edited by Korren on 2020-09-11 05:07:50.
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On 2020-09-12 23:55:41Show this Author Only
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Hello,
Speaking from experience, I've seen the edo Madara/Kimimaro/Minato team before, and it can be pretty destructive in arena. I'm not surprised that it can destroy a summer Kakashi team in arena on round 2. Kakashi's defense reduction passive hits him very hard. I'm not sure you're all looking at the math properly when considering how it works.

Let's assume that all ninjas involved have stats of 1000 in everything. Edo Madara assures that all buffs are wiped, so everyone goes into the match with the same stats.
With Kimimaro's barrier up, mystery damage is increased by 60%, so stats are effectively 1900 for the purpose of mystery damage with Minato's +30% increased mystery damage.
Your team's defensive stats are effectively 700 for the purposes of taking damage from mysteries. He has 2.7 times your defense stat at this point. It's no wonder you're taking so much damage. If he was smart and running Pose of Duel and Deep Forest Wall, that number increases to 3.14 times your defense stat.
Conversely, your opponent, who knew he would be wiping buffs, is almost certainly running Defense Experience - Ultimate for a 40% boost to defense and resistance, meaning his defense stats are effectively 1400 compared to your 2500. You have only 1.78 times his defense stat. This is why you did so much less damage.

Ultimately, summer Kakashi has the potential to do a ton of damage, but without position 1 scaling, he can be pretty squishy, and it seems possible that your opponent just had a team that countered yours pretty well. It's also worth mentioning that you took damage in round 1, which would help account for your team being wiped out in round 2.

What brensonlee said is not incorrect. Many units function very differently in arena than in normal pvp. The difference in scaling and the lack of position 1 stacking causes huge changes to the game. Teams that work in regular PVP can be completely invalidated in arena, and teams that are unbeatable in arena are useless in regular PVP, and vice versus, just because of how scaling and control works in this game mode. It's something all players have to adapt to.

I hope this helps!

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