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Okay i really need some answers and im sure eveyone will agree on this cause theres no point not to. Why are Sasukes and Itachis chases not irremovable ignition when you cant remove amaterasu, also why isnt rinne sasukes chase lightning and fire elemental damage when its literally blaze release? Instead we have 10 tails madara standard that does irremovable ignition when he isnt even using any sort of flame for his standard, also kimono shisui, hes also got irremovable ignition when theres no point of him having it when amaterasu users cant have one... I really want some sort of clarification for this one.




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On 2020-07-19 22:42:15Show this Author Only
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Cause...its how Tencent designed the game.

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This is a an interesting question about how you balance a game. I would assume the debuffs, buffs and stats are put in *gorithm and they are checked out how they work.

If it comes too weak they put something on top, if it comes overpowered than they remove something.

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  • Yeshe V On 2020-07-20 00:33:07
  • This is a an interesting question about how you balance a game. I would assume the debuffs, buffs and stats are put in *gorithm and they are checked out how they work.

    If it comes too weak they put something on top, if it comes overpowered than they remove something.

Im just asking for them to atleast make Sasuke Rinne chase to be elemental damage cause it feels uselles having no elemental damage and no irremovable ignition... Even basic itachis amaterasu is Fire elemental. But yeah this game only needs rework to be perfect. It wont hurt anyone to change his chase to elemental or irremovable ignition or to put his mystery cause to low float.

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On 2020-07-20 02:56:55Show this Author Only
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I don't mean to offend anyone but is the author of the post a very dedicated Uchiha fan or smth? All posts are non-stop about "Fix this in Sasuke" "Fix that in Uchihas", come on, dude... not funny. Game mechanics won't change here if they won't change on Chinese servers. This is a game and not everything has to be as you would wish or see in anime. Over the week I see non stop words about how this is bad in Sasuke. Make him more often in events, change Sasukes mystery, changes Uchihas chase now. Sweet kami...




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On 2020-07-20 03:18:11Show this Author Only
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  • Demalishor On 2020-07-20 02:56:55
  • I don't mean to offend anyone but is the author of the post a very dedicated Uchiha fan or smth? All posts are non-stop about "Fix this in Sasuke" "Fix that in Uchihas", come on, dude... not funny. Game mechanics won't change here if they won't change on Chinese servers. This is a game and not everything has to be as you would wish or see in anime. Over the week I see non stop words about how this is bad in Sasuke. Make him more often in events, change Sasukes mystery, changes Uchihas chase now. Sweet kami...

Kinda have to agree if they make game mechanics and ninjas exactly like they were in naruto, then regular naruto is supposed to be stronger to kakazu




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On 2020-07-20 03:18:27Show this Author Only
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  • Demalishor On 2020-07-20 02:56:55
  • I don't mean to offend anyone but is the author of the post a very dedicated Uchiha fan or smth? All posts are non-stop about "Fix this in Sasuke" "Fix that in Uchihas", come on, dude... not funny. Game mechanics won't change here if they won't change on Chinese servers. This is a game and not everything has to be as you would wish or see in anime. Over the week I see non stop words about how this is bad in Sasuke. Make him more often in events, change Sasukes mystery, changes Uchihas chase now. Sweet kami...

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  • Slipp On 2020-07-20 03:18:11
  • Kinda have to agree if they make game mechanics and ninjas exactly like they were in naruto, then regular naruto is supposed to be stronger to kakazu

Bruh exactly, but dont bother to explain it to this guy. His purpose in life is to hunt my posts and hate on them while saying ''i dont mean to offend anyone'' phahaha

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On 2020-07-20 03:29:15Show this Author Only
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  • Demalishor On 2020-07-20 02:56:55
  • I don't mean to offend anyone but is the author of the post a very dedicated Uchiha fan or smth? All posts are non-stop about "Fix this in Sasuke" "Fix that in Uchihas", come on, dude... not funny. Game mechanics won't change here if they won't change on Chinese servers. This is a game and not everything has to be as you would wish or see in anime. Over the week I see non stop words about how this is bad in Sasuke. Make him more often in events, change Sasukes mystery, changes Uchihas chase now. Sweet kami...

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On 2020-07-20 03:53:44Show this Author Only
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Every time I see your posts and if one person doesn't like your posts, you get triggered. Don't you think it is exhausting to get worked up over something that is meaningless? Don't play the victim card as you lose credit-ability in your argument. Counter anyone who disagrees with you in a calm manner. Otherwise, you look like a fool who likes to throw tantrums.


Like what Demalishor said, game mechanics need to change on Chinese servers first before servers like ours get change. You should know by know that Oasis only licenses the game content from Tencent (China server and original server) so they c*e for servers that they operate. The only thing they are in charge is how events and prices are set up that we players notice on a day-to-day basis, which we in the community don't like how they are running.


Also, can we get a mod to close the post as soon as OP disagrees with what I said and insults me if he can't take my advice to heart?





This post was last edited by Danzō on 2020-07-20 04:02:13.
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On 2020-07-20 06:41:09Show this Author Only
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he will probably figure it out soon enough... that games don't necessary follow exactly to canon naruto anime.

else you would argue why are there christmas characters in the game

many people has accept the games as tencent designed it.. well people come out with their own ninja kits all the time.

but really we got no say in changing a ninja skills or suggest it before tencent already solidify it into the game.

just gotta hold it to tencents that they meant to balance the mechanics out such a way it's playable.

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On 2020-07-20 09:04:31Show this Author Only
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I mean, the guy originally has a point. I really don't care what they do with this game as the Devs clearly don't give a * about it and just want the playerbase's money. He has a valid point as to how the amterasu should work as its a special type of ability. I see people bashing him for talking about uchiha's yet, sasuke (susanoo) still has a broken msytery that doesn't scale unless you skill break him (I've done the calculations for this). People saying that oasis or the devs only control pricing is just bull*. They clearly control more then that as they can choose to release what systems they want. They have changed completely how skill breaks work compared to china or taiwan, already disproving any arguments about them not having power. They also chose to change how certain mysteries work in terms of damage output as scaling. (Rinne sasuke) for example, isn't the same. People making up excuses for this company and or Dev team still should just shut up honestly. Brain dead and only blindly worshipping a company that just sees them as a wallet. Even with multiple other games that have an english counter part or chinese counter part. Both versions can and do have very different balance changes because they're allowed to do so.




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  • *Lucious* On 2020-07-20 09:04:31
  • I mean, the guy originally has a point. I really don't care what they do with this game as the Devs clearly don't give a * about it and just want the playerbase's money. He has a valid point as to how the amterasu should work as its a special type of ability. I see people bashing him for talking about uchiha's yet, sasuke (susanoo) still has a broken msytery that doesn't scale unless you skill break him (I've done the calculations for this). People saying that oasis or the devs only control pricing is just bull*. They clearly control more then that as they can choose to release what systems they want. They have changed completely how skill breaks work compared to china or taiwan, already disproving any arguments about them not having power. They also chose to change how certain mysteries work in terms of damage output as scaling. (Rinne sasuke) for example, isn't the same. People making up excuses for this company and or Dev team still should just shut up honestly. Brain dead and only blindly worshipping a company that just sees them as a wallet. Even with multiple other games that have an english counter part or chinese counter part. Both versions can and do have very different balance changes because they're allowed to do so.

Yes there are things that Oasis can control but some things like creating game content or skill changes has not. Talk to me when a ninja's skill is changed here before the China server - otherwise, it is wishing thinking. I mentioned prices and events because that's on a day-to-day basis. Deciding skillbreaks being released and new content/ninjas is a one type decision that carries on and isn't routine. Most players won't notice these decision as they could care less about following the China server. They only care about if they can make a good team or not and if ninja are given for free.


Also, if you and OP think an irremovable ignition (I think OP wants to have it permanent for the match rather than up to a certain round/charka) is a smart decision, i'm sorry but that isn't feasible as that is broken for a game. I mean if the game is really following the lore of an story, certain characters would be oneshot OP. I'm sure gaming companies won't allow this for obvious reasons as not everyone would have access to this character and it would break the gaming experience for all players by losing to the player who has the character.

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  • Demalishor On 2020-07-20 02:56:55
  • I don't mean to offend anyone but is the author of the post a very dedicated Uchiha fan or smth? All posts are non-stop about "Fix this in Sasuke" "Fix that in Uchihas", come on, dude... not funny. Game mechanics won't change here if they won't change on Chinese servers. This is a game and not everything has to be as you would wish or see in anime. Over the week I see non stop words about how this is bad in Sasuke. Make him more often in events, change Sasukes mystery, changes Uchihas chase now. Sweet kami...

we have to remember it IS a NARUTO game, but unfortunately you, and many other in the community who have never watched a single arc of Naruto (part 1 or 2) view it as just another gacha game. I'm disappointed to say that the developers probably don't care too much about the naruto lore EITHER, so they put more effort in progressing the meta and milking cash instead of making ninjas that are accurate with the power scaling of the anime. Hence, why Gekko Hayate, and Genma Shiranui are going to be extremely powerful when they come out, considering they were tokubetsu jonin level, below that of base Kakashi and MS Kakashi. but ofc, they're going to be more powerful than him because Kakashi and kakashi beheading are OLDDDDDDD ninjas. so, it actually is quite difficult to balance lore and the actual meta and progression of the game, and unfortunately the game doesn't deem Susano Sasuke as meta, because even his BTs are kind of outdated, so i dont think they can add irremovable ignition. plus, if they did, there'd have to be more BTs or a sudden debuff change would spark conflict in the community. it's a hard fact to consume for us Naruto Nerds, but it is what it is. tencent is a for-profit company then again...



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  • *Lucious* On 2020-07-20 09:04:31
  • I mean, the guy originally has a point. I really don't care what they do with this game as the Devs clearly don't give a * about it and just want the playerbase's money. He has a valid point as to how the amterasu should work as its a special type of ability. I see people bashing him for talking about uchiha's yet, sasuke (susanoo) still has a broken msytery that doesn't scale unless you skill break him (I've done the calculations for this). People saying that oasis or the devs only control pricing is just bull*. They clearly control more then that as they can choose to release what systems they want. They have changed completely how skill breaks work compared to china or taiwan, already disproving any arguments about them not having power. They also chose to change how certain mysteries work in terms of damage output as scaling. (Rinne sasuke) for example, isn't the same. People making up excuses for this company and or Dev team still should just shut up honestly. Brain dead and only blindly worshipping a company that just sees them as a wallet. Even with multiple other games that have an english counter part or chinese counter part. Both versions can and do have very different balance changes because they're allowed to do so.

Thank god people like u still exist. You said everything right but the only guy bashing me here is this demalishor guy cause he had something against me from the start. He neglects pure facts its insane.

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  • Kanaboon On 2020-07-20 09:56:34
  • we have to remember it IS a NARUTO game, but unfortunately you, and many other in the community who have never watched a single arc of Naruto (part 1 or 2) view it as just another gacha game. I'm disappointed to say that the developers probably don't care too much about the naruto lore EITHER, so they put more effort in progressing the meta and milking cash instead of making ninjas that are accurate with the power scaling of the anime. Hence, why Gekko Hayate, and Genma Shiranui are going to be extremely powerful when they come out, considering they were tokubetsu jonin level, below that of base Kakashi and MS Kakashi. but ofc, they're going to be more powerful than him because Kakashi and kakashi beheading are OLDDDDDDD ninjas. so, it actually is quite difficult to balance lore and the actual meta and progression of the game, and unfortunately the game doesn't deem Susano Sasuke as meta, because even his BTs are kind of outdated, so i dont think they can add irremovable ignition. plus, if they did, there'd have to be more BTs or a sudden debuff change would spark conflict in the community. it's a hard fact to consume for us Naruto Nerds, but it is what it is. tencent is a for-profit company then again...



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Exactly mate. But about irremovable ignition, i feel like they mentioned it milion times in the anime that amaterasu cant be removed so its like making naruto without clones in this game. Its so obvious that it should be reworked, if not that, atleast they can rework his chase to have atleast fire elemental damage cause its blaze release that only sasuke uses, its his signature release for christ sake. Its fire and lightning elemental damage so that should be really taken into consideration if not for the irremovable ignition.




This post was last edited by Yell0w FlasH on 2020-07-20 10:57:38.
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  • Danzō On 2020-07-20 09:39:43
  • Yes there are things that Oasis can control but some things like creating game content or skill changes has not. Talk to me when a ninja's skill is changed here before the China server - otherwise, it is wishing thinking. I mentioned prices and events because that's on a day-to-day basis. Deciding skillbreaks being released and new content/ninjas is a one type decision that carries on and isn't routine. Most players won't notice these decision as they could care less about following the China server. They only care about if they can make a good team or not and if ninja are given for free.


    Also, if you and OP think an irremovable ignition (I think OP wants to have it permanent for the match rather than up to a certain round/charka) is a smart decision, i'm sorry but that isn't feasible as that is broken for a game. I mean if the game is really following the lore of an story, certain characters would be oneshot OP. I'm sure gaming companies won't allow this for obvious reasons as not everyone would have access to this character and it would break the gaming experience for all players by losing to the player who has the character.

I understand what u are saying but i still feel like having sasukes chase causing irremovable ignition wont change the game at all. It will just give him a little boost that he needs to be somewhat better than he is right now,for example 6p naruto has 25% leech for what reason when juubito has 10%, that just makes no sense. You need Sasukes skill trials to make him usable and still u need all the support ninjas for him to be usefull. That irremovable ignition wont change anything it will just be logically correct. He is so poorly made with a little effort that its pathetic almost. Its literally the strongest Sasuke character that we will ever get and i feel like they just threw any idea that came to their mind without even thinking.

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Looks like we r back to the old ranting days XD ehh i don't think it's directed at me but just to be clear

I'm honestly not hard about shutting people out. Since I like voice out myself and make myself heard.

I tried to write a long page of rant and my point of views on various issues, but then i proof read it and got tired. XD

before i end, just wanna say I'm more for naruto lore too XD,

yet its not so simple, facing it.. imo it's still much closer to what danzo had pointed out.

otherwise expect your game to be forever a standard pace behind china

and always having a predictable predetermined path. (boring)

what i meant was, somethings were meta there not here, and some here yet not there, we r simply beta to china

as for gacha game ?.. oh yes it is.. a lot of people who don't see it as such got really fed up. (including me)

so yes is best you know from the start it is and in fact accept the fact and heavily adapt your play to what matters,

u want to play the gambling parts go ahead, but sorry the majority of us don't even take part in those parts.

that is actually my honest advice to how newbies to the game should play it.. (oh like they would know XD)

for example don't join in the lucky bets nor get frustrated when some wins a free 10 tail jinchu. or i'll bet (u r fed up in time)

r we worshiping oasis ?, (no we i am not, if you think we i am , something is wrong with u XD)

i would had argued many times and i guess now is just another time that we r here for a naruto game

not a casino (but yes we r making do to have fun on a game in our own way without having to deal with messy ppl that's all).

sidenote > as for the slightly change mysteries, am pretty sure oasis are not allowed to

simply make the change by themselves (other words, they got tencent's agreement on it,) go bash tencents for the final say.

yet plz i'm not oasis staff in any way so don't take my words. (lets all bombard QV or some forum mod until they quit instead XD)

and hey i don't need to reply to some people's upset feelings, i did so out of my way of showing respect. *cross fingers* peace out.

PS: i'm not replying to this thread again unless someone tried to explicitly quote me, thank you)





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Again back to balance - if they a status irremovable ignitiion it will brake the game or to balance it out they have to make it very weak. Both options won't be better than the current one. I actually use Rinne a lot and try to make the best out of his skill set. 7 or 8 out of 10 times I beat p1 Kakuzu teams. Kushina teams is the opposite. But what I like most is his Y+1 chase. When you scale it in round 2 or 3 it already does more damage than your mystery.

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  • Kanaboon On 2020-07-20 09:56:34
  • we have to remember it IS a NARUTO game, but unfortunately you, and many other in the community who have never watched a single arc of Naruto (part 1 or 2) view it as just another gacha game. I'm disappointed to say that the developers probably don't care too much about the naruto lore EITHER, so they put more effort in progressing the meta and milking cash instead of making ninjas that are accurate with the power scaling of the anime. Hence, why Gekko Hayate, and Genma Shiranui are going to be extremely powerful when they come out, considering they were tokubetsu jonin level, below that of base Kakashi and MS Kakashi. but ofc, they're going to be more powerful than him because Kakashi and kakashi beheading are OLDDDDDDD ninjas. so, it actually is quite difficult to balance lore and the actual meta and progression of the game, and unfortunately the game doesn't deem Susano Sasuke as meta, because even his BTs are kind of outdated, so i dont think they can add irremovable ignition. plus, if they did, there'd have to be more BTs or a sudden debuff change would spark conflict in the community. it's a hard fact to consume for us Naruto Nerds, but it is what it is. tencent is a for-profit company then again...



    thx

I watched every naruto arc. But Amaterasu can be removed even in anime kinda. Naruto used chakra cloak to clear it, Kankuro pulled away armor so there are options to get rid of it. Irremovable ignition is a dumb idea because this way you will just break the entire logic. How can you put for example irremovable ignition on an immune to debuff ninja who is a jinchuriki for example like Edo Minato and who has 9 tails chakra cloak and amaterasu in the naruto universe does not work on it.
Example number 2, Edo Madara Release is immune to debuffs. Rinnegan cancels out any ninjutsu - impossible to put irremovable since rinne will absorb it. Thats why you cannot just put irremovable ninjutsu ignition on any ninja. Its just plain logic and thats why debuff immunity exist. And you cannot make 1 immune to debuff ninja resistant to amaterasu and the other no. Its a game mechanic that either works for all or for nobody.
If people want to complain about smth it def should not be amaterasu or Sasuke Rinne who is actually really useful and good (most people just have no idea how to use him properly or lack power). There are tons of ninjas who are very weak and nobody talks about them. Hopefully most old ninjas will start getting BT on China more often.
But again, this a game with its own meta, mechanics and etc. Not everything has to copy paste the Naruto Lore. Kazekage Gaara is a jinchuriki even tho by that time he was not. Plain logic. Yet nobody talks about that. The main idea is that if someone wants amaterasu to be irremovable in lore this will then break the other logic lore things of putting amaterasu on a rinneg*er and etc. Holes will also appear. Complicated stuff that are not really needed.




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