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[ Strategy Share ] How to counter Kushina red BT

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On 2020-06-01 16:13:52Show this Author OnlyDescending Order
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sorry if this post isnt in the correct section, but how does one counter a fully BT kushina red while doing enough damage to kill her and not paying for like edo minato?


thanks for any help :D

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On 2020-06-01 18:21:08Show this Author Only
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Get high enough control and get itachi edo then remove immunity and use itachi on her ez

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On 2020-06-02 02:07:10Show this Author Only
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i use kushina and kakuzu always beat me

kushina teams rarelly use control which is kakuzu team weakness, kakuzu kill me in round 1 with same power

other option is summer kurenai or ibiki that remove immunity and control for 2 rounds




This post was last edited by KonoKazuma on 2020-06-02 02:08:12.
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On 2020-06-02 03:42:49Show this Author Only
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Pretty much Control skills that lasts more than 1 round (Summer Kurenai, Ibiki, Anbu Yamato). In theory, in practice - it is a lottery.

I really wis Oasis look at Control play and do something to make it viable and proper counter to blitz teams as it should be.

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On 2020-06-02 17:13:11Show this Author Only
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  • Aerth On 2020-06-02 03:42:49
  • Pretty much Control skills that lasts more than 1 round (Summer Kurenai, Ibiki, Anbu Yamato). In theory, in practice - it is a lottery.

    I really wis Oasis look at Control play and do something to make it viable and proper counter to blitz teams as it should be.

i don't think yamato's skill carries to next round it's same as shisui's chaos both will be removed in 2nd round

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On 2020-06-03 02:52:50Show this Author Only
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  • SnapIsGay On 2020-06-02 17:13:11
  • i don't think yamato's skill carries to next round it's same as shisui's chaos both will be removed in 2nd round

both say lasts 2 rounds. ???

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On 2020-06-03 04:56:41Show this Author Only
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  • Dumbledore Calr On 2020-06-03 02:52:50
  • both say lasts 2 rounds. ???

Not on an immune ninja. It will "refresh" at start of next round.

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On 2020-06-06 23:24:42Show this Author Only
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  • SnapIsGay On 2020-06-02 17:13:11
  • i don't think yamato's skill carries to next round it's same as shisui's chaos both will be removed in 2nd round

Well, accroding to Yamato mystery description, it lasts 2 rounds.

Of course, Summer Kurenai mystery lasts till "end of next round" and today during Sage Arena Edo Minato just cleansed immobile the moment round 1 ended without reason other than "because". Which is why I complain Control play is currently broken and unreliable, Immobile or Chaos can fail to apply in the first place and even if they do apply, there is no telling if they last as long as they should. Currently the only reliable control I know about is Edo's Itachi dream state, but only because it has additional requirment for it to be removed.




This post was last edited by Aerth on 2020-06-06 23:26:24.
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On 2020-06-14 17:41:17Show this Author Only
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  • Aerth On 2020-06-06 23:24:42
  • Well, accroding to Yamato mystery description, it lasts 2 rounds.

    Of course, Summer Kurenai mystery lasts till "end of next round" and today during Sage Arena Edo Minato just cleansed immobile the moment round 1 ended without reason other than "because". Which is why I complain Control play is currently broken and unreliable, Immobile or Chaos can fail to apply in the first place and even if they do apply, there is no telling if they last as long as they should. Currently the only reliable control I know about is Edo's Itachi dream state, but only because it has additional requirment for it to be removed.

The "control fail" is not a failure of the system but rather a game mechanic itself. If the target that someone is attempting to control has a higher control sub-stat (ex: 10000>5000) than there is a percentage chance that your control fails. The bigger the difference in control the higher the chances that the attempt fails.

In regards to the mysteries that last 2 rounds, they do in fact last the full duration if you are attempting to control a non-naturally immune ninja. Immune ninja's will always reapply their immunity at the start of every round (as that is a part of their kit). As such, most debuffs that suppress-immunity allows to affect the otherwise immune ninja is removed by the start of the next round as their debuff immunity is reapplied and the current debuffs are cleansed. The only exception to this is Edo-Itachi's Dream debuff as it specifically is unremovable without 30 chakra being present during the attempt of removal (though it can only be applied to someone that is not immune to debuffs requiring a prior step before application).




This post was last edited by SandaKagami on 2020-06-14 17:42:54.
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On 2020-06-14 17:59:38Show this Author Only
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  • Aerth On 2020-06-06 23:24:42
  • Well, accroding to Yamato mystery description, it lasts 2 rounds.

    Of course, Summer Kurenai mystery lasts till "end of next round" and today during Sage Arena Edo Minato just cleansed immobile the moment round 1 ended without reason other than "because". Which is why I complain Control play is currently broken and unreliable, Immobile or Chaos can fail to apply in the first place and even if they do apply, there is no telling if they last as long as they should. Currently the only reliable control I know about is Edo's Itachi dream state, but only because it has additional requirment for it to be removed.

There's a difference in yamato's mystery and kurenai kurenai removes immunity and controls for 2 rounds "Removes immunity" in yamato case he don't so the ninja will regain imunity in next round




This post was last edited by SnapIsGay on 2020-06-14 18:01:04.
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On 2020-06-14 20:55:20Show this Author Only
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I recommend ibiki personally, he is I think the most underutilized support characters in the game.

suppress immunity for mulitple rounds and causes torture and drains chakra and increases damage to units under torture/immobile by 40%, true to get full use out of him you need to either be fire main or have a ninja with reflect, but in the current state of the game he is like edo itachi on roids.


The only ninja, (I think), feel free to correct me if im wrong that he cant control is nagato with sb, but that nagato is broken. Other than that one exception ibiki can perfectly counter kushi/kakashi summer/bee 8 tails/edo minato/6p




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