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On 2020-04-24 16:36:48Show this Author Only
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On 2020-04-24 20:28:22Show this Author Only
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  • TobinExplains On 2020-04-24 06:51:26
  • I'm very well aware of how little the majority means, but I did not intend to debate by the cramped constraints of Oasis's rules and behaviors when I started this discussion. I'm saying that I think this is how it should be theoretically, in a more ideal world. We may not be in that world necessarily, but pushing for progression to that state is never a bad thing. The viewpoint you're holding is incredibly cynical and completely counterproductive to practically any positive change that the community could try to push. It's a 100% understandable mindset considering this company's track record, but I still don't think that "this will never happen" is a viable reason to not only give up, but actively try to shut down others who want to enact positive progress.


    Like, personally, I believe world peace is impossible to get because humankind is just too individualized to not get into fights over stuff. Does that make it pointless to try and create world peace? I dunno boss, it's still a good thing to reduce the overall amount of conflict in the world, even if it's never going to be completely gone. Either way, it feels like we're getting nowhere. Might be a good idea to just drop it and agree to disagree, but if you want to continue I'm all for it.

You say that "but pushing for progression to that state is never a bad thing". Is it though? Because right now your behaviour is akin to some poor girl living in an abusive relationship that keeps coming back each week for more slaps because she believes she will reform her "sweethart" through the sheer amount of willpower and arguments alone. Even if she keeps getting back yet another black eye in return. You'd ask where is the breaking point? Where is the straw thet breaks the camels back? Is it truly beneficial to said girl to * with her "beloved" if all she gets is punches?

Each week is the same complain, complain, complain. Have the * and quit playing if everything bothers you so much. If everyone that says "Another *ty events week I'm quitting" actually held true to their word perhaps it'd force some change. Either that or the game would just shut down. But whatever, it's just a couple of pixel on the screen anyway. Take joy in small things for you never know when they'll be taken away or changed for much worse.

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On 2020-04-24 23:00:14Show this Author Only
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Another great logic from Kharan-if you complain,better quit,so he can feel comfortable.

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On 2020-04-25 01:31:39Show this Author Only
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On 2020-04-25 01:41:13Show this Author Only
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  • Kharan On 2020-04-24 20:28:22
  • You say that "but pushing for progression to that state is never a bad thing". Is it though? Because right now your behaviour is akin to some poor girl living in an abusive relationship that keeps coming back each week for more slaps because she believes she will reform her "sweethart" through the sheer amount of willpower and arguments alone. Even if she keeps getting back yet another black eye in return. You'd ask where is the breaking point? Where is the straw thet breaks the camels back? Is it truly beneficial to said girl to * with her "beloved" if all she gets is punches?

    Each week is the same complain, complain, complain. Have the * and quit playing if everything bothers you so much. If everyone that says "Another *ty events week I'm quitting" actually held true to their word perhaps it'd force some change. Either that or the game would just shut down. But whatever, it's just a couple of pixel on the screen anyway. Take joy in small things for you never know when they'll be taken away or changed for much worse.

I think that's a rather vivid and over-the-top @nalogy for a browser game, but let's roll with that and go on your terms boss. If I'm the abused girlfriend who speaks out and tries to reform her boyfriend, then you're the abused girlfriend who does nothing, who has already been broken and just su.cks it up because she's happy that she has a boyfriend at all even if he's terrible. I could say the exact same thing to you – if you are willing to use such an extreme @nalogy to describe the devs, then why don't you just leave too?


No an@logy is necessarily perfect, but this @nalogy doesn't 100% mesh with the cir*stance because the relationship between an individual player and a company isn't in a vacuum. If we really want to make this accurate, then put the abusive boyfriend is in a polygamous relationship with 1000s of people, so that if some lucky girl actually DOES get him to change, it affects way more than just their relationship. It affects all the other ones too. Think of it like reforming a toxic family member. Not only do you have one less negative presence in your life, but the rest of your family doesn't have to deal with them anymore too.


Edit: Kinda hypocritical of me to bring up an equally vivid an@logy, huh? I'll add the disclaimer that this particular scenario isn't half as intense or important as the toxic family member example. I brought it up to make a parallel point regarding the mechanics of the dynamic, rather than the intensity.




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On 2020-04-25 03:21:53Show this Author Only
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To address all this really, Firework is an event that oasis kindly added for us to get people who are either: not used much, could be in a meta team, rarely in events, or just to gain a ninja. Yes, some of them aren't all 80 and that's my fault for not saying it but some of them ninjas would be an 80 frag gain even though they don't seem like they should be, it's oasis choice to make it an 80 or not. To all though, i accept y'all opinions on this but you also got to think of how they'd set it up, cause most people will ask for that'll never happen, most canon characters are meta characters and are always in events, so you got to put the ones who wasn't in events as much as the others. So therefore, I understand how you all feel to this, saying that it won't happen or it will and some are asking for the ninjas in redeem shop like edo tobirama, it'd help them too but you should always know that throughout the times people played and how long all has been in events, at least let it be considerable that these ninjas will be there instead of fully neglecting them from even being there in the slightest chance.

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On 2020-04-25 17:34:01Show this Author Only
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  • Bogotor On 2020-04-24 23:00:14
  • Another great logic from Kharan-if you complain,better quit,so he can feel comfortable.

Khar*ways has great logic. Progression is wrong, giving up is right. Sounds like one hell of an achiever. His *ogy is also defeatist and insulting as that is his mentality. I would actually compare people who love the game and fight for it's progress while constantly failing to any successful person who actually knows that to succeed they had to fail more times than most people can suffer. Just because he is the first to come to mind take Lincoln for example. Lincoln’s failures were broad and numerous. He achieved the unique feat of leaving for a war a captain and returning a private (the lowest military rank). He next took failure in his stride during multiple failed business attempts. Undeterred, Lincoln marched into the political realm, where he launched several failed runs at political office before his ascendance to President which ultimately led to abolishment of slavery. As Kharan is likely to misunderstand that the story as my comparison between abolishing slavery and trying to improve a browser game I have to note that the example I took is about success and great changes coming through unrelenting will in spite of failure. You can just as easily take any known examples of success in spite of failure that affected the world like Einstein, Edison or Disney.

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On 2020-04-25 20:37:08Show this Author Only
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  • TobinExplains On 2020-04-25 01:41:13
  • I think that's a rather vivid and over-the-top @nalogy for a browser game, but let's roll with that and go on your terms boss. If I'm the abused girlfriend who speaks out and tries to reform her boyfriend, then you're the abused girlfriend who does nothing, who has already been broken and just su.cks it up because she's happy that she has a boyfriend at all even if he's terrible. I could say the exact same thing to you – if you are willing to use such an extreme @nalogy to describe the devs, then why don't you just leave too?


    No an@logy is necessarily perfect, but this @nalogy doesn't 100% mesh with the cir*stance because the relationship between an individual player and a company isn't in a vacuum. If we really want to make this accurate, then put the abusive boyfriend is in a polygamous relationship with 1000s of people, so that if some lucky girl actually DOES get him to change, it affects way more than just their relationship. It affects all the other ones too. Think of it like reforming a toxic family member. Not only do you have one less negative presence in your life, but the rest of your family doesn't have to deal with them anymore too.


    Edit: Kinda hypocritical of me to bring up an equally vivid an@logy, huh? I'll add the disclaimer that this particular scenario isn't half as intense or important as the toxic family member example. I brought it up to make a parallel point regarding the mechanics of the dynamic, rather than the intensity.

Why should I leave? It's you who seem to be upset not I. My relationship was not abusive to begin with. My boyfriend is not hitting me but rather coming home with a cute cat that I can show to my friends and play with them together. If one week he gives a cat or whatever, that's fine perhaps next month will be something better. If not - the world's not going to end, It's not a big deal as I don't expect him to bring me presents just because I'm with him.

And it is indeed pretty hypocritical of you to point out my *ogy when it was you who first compared a browser game to fighting for world peace. Sorry, but you are no revolutionist or peacemaker contrary to what you seem to believe.

Anyway that was not the point of this whole discussion but rather to make you see that what you call * (like certain ninjas) may not be so for someone else. And calling the company thrash for bringing certain ninjas in events seems a bit unfair considering that perhaps someone written to them that he wants the exact ninja and is happy to obtain him.

Perhaps most of my point of view stems from the fact that I remember the times when the most you could hope for to get for "free" was 20 fragments of Darui.

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On 2020-04-25 20:40:46Show this Author Only
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  • Bogotor On 2020-04-24 23:00:14
  • Another great logic from Kharan-if you complain,better quit,so he can feel comfortable.

No, not because "I can feel comfortable" but I am genuinely puzzled. Why continue playing a game you have no pleasure from? Is it some kind of self-katharsis or something? When I am unhappy with a game and I see no progress in a better direction for the past 4 years despite various movements I move on and find something more enjoyable but seems like that's just me.

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On 2020-04-25 21:47:07Show this Author Only
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  • MalinaVojvodic On 2020-04-25 17:34:01
  • Khar*ways has great logic. Progression is wrong, giving up is right. Sounds like one hell of an achiever. His *ogy is also defeatist and insulting as that is his mentality. I would actually compare people who love the game and fight for it's progress while constantly failing to any successful person who actually knows that to succeed they had to fail more times than most people can suffer. Just because he is the first to come to mind take Lincoln for example. Lincoln’s failures were broad and numerous. He achieved the unique feat of leaving for a war a captain and returning a private (the lowest military rank). He next took failure in his stride during multiple failed business attempts. Undeterred, Lincoln marched into the political realm, where he launched several failed runs at political office before his ascendance to President which ultimately led to abolishment of slavery. As Kharan is likely to misunderstand that the story as my comparison between abolishing slavery and trying to improve a browser game I have to note that the example I took is about success and great changes coming through unrelenting will in spite of failure. You can just as easily take any known examples of success in spite of failure that affected the world like Einstein, Edison or Disney.

Yeah, your *ogy is flawed. Lincoln was no ordinary citizen to abolish slavery. For it to work you'd have to become ceo of the company and make changes for the players from the inside. Are you able to do that?

(and Lincoln ended up being shot so it didn't turn out so great for him as an individual but that's a digression)

By all means keep complaining for weeks without end but I've seen bigger fish than you in this pond and the most they managed to "achieve" was a ban to their face. They only thing that is able to make a change is p2w's money. Whining of f2p's is inconsequential in the grand scheme of things so what's wrong with enjoying the game for what it is rather than making the same topics about the same things over and over?


Edit.

And all the noble inventors/artists that you give as examples to follow and change the world had wealthy patrons/sponsors behind their backs who were willing to jut out large sums for their inventions. As you can see it is not exacly a scenario that can be used for comparison.




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On 2020-04-25 23:50:19Show this Author Only
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i already have Uchiha Madara Edo but he is weak against naruto 6P and minato namikaze. His barrier didnt help my teammate to regain chakra. useless skill

pls reduce the price for shisui susanoo & tsunade reverse seal. Or use coupon to get that ninjas without recharge, its very expensive. T.T

Pls Pls Pls....

Hope is being able to see that there is light despite all of the darkness.




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  • CoronaChan On 2020-04-25 23:50:19
  • i already have Uchiha Madara Edo but he is weak against naruto 6P and minato namikaze. His barrier didnt help my teammate to regain chakra. useless skill

    pls reduce the price for shisui susanoo & tsunade reverse seal. Or use coupon to get that ninjas without recharge, its very expensive. T.T

    Pls Pls Pls....

    Hope is being able to see that there is light despite all of the darkness.

Hope you understand that they will first target whales first since they are willing to spend that much on a game. This mean it will be only whales first for a few months.


Just wait like every other character. it took about madara jinchuriki and ronin naruto a year to show up as rng and redeemable




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On 2020-04-26 07:42:33Show this Author Only
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  • Kharan On 2020-04-25 21:47:07
  • Yeah, your *ogy is flawed. Lincoln was no ordinary citizen to abolish slavery. For it to work you'd have to become ceo of the company and make changes for the players from the inside. Are you able to do that?

    (and Lincoln ended up being shot so it didn't turn out so great for him as an individual but that's a digression)

    By all means keep complaining for weeks without end but I've seen bigger fish than you in this pond and the most they managed to "achieve" was a ban to their face. They only thing that is able to make a change is p2w's money. Whining of f2p's is inconsequential in the grand scheme of things so what's wrong with enjoying the game for what it is rather than making the same topics about the same things over and over?


    Edit.

    And all the noble inventors/artists that you give as examples to follow and change the world had wealthy patrons/sponsors behind their backs who were willing to jut out large sums for their inventions. As you can see it is not exacly a scenario that can be used for comparison.

On the contrary. There is no flaw in the *ogy, just your understanding of the same. Lincoln was not an ordinary citizen because he decided not to be. You are taking a simple *ogy about people conquering all obstacles simply become they didn't give up. You instead take a literal example of Lincoln and his life as something that must be followed to the point in order to achieve change in an mmo game. To put it in words you can understand, you don't need to become a CEO. You just need not to give up and do what you can.


Big fishes and bans. You are unraveling and starting to babble. If you gave up on making a change in the game there is no need for you to feel so strongly about shutting down people that would like to enjoy a better environment for no reason. If you invested a fraction of effort you put into trying to shut down any attempt at a positive change you would likely already see a positive change in the game already regardless of you spending or not spending on the game. Why don't you take your own advice? You are whining constantly over players advocating for a better state of things. Your whining over players peacefully protesting against many easily removed flaws of the game is just as "inconsequential in the grand scheme of things". What is bothersome is that unless someone is paying you to do so, you're finding a very strange hobby for yourself that will give no positive effect, while complaints from the ever increasing unsatisfied players might.


At the end you once again took things literally. Generalizing about "all" inventors and generally successful people having backers and support. Even though I am amazed by your literal interpretation of my *ogy even though I specifically noted that you would likely take it that way, that's also something I can address. Those inventors had their backers and players complaining about the game have more players complaining about the same. If an *ogy you would be more suitable to understand would be that of great peaceful protests, go with that.

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On 2020-04-26 15:42:03Show this Author Only
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We have the right to say if something is good or bad for us.People like Kharan have opinion that we should sit quietly ant take what Oasis bring to us.Because is free,and can go worse,if we demand too much.

Also,about quitting-some people stay for they friends in game,for the time,or money,invested,or for the fact they like the concept of the game,and just want to see it become better.Telling someone to quit,just because is not happy how they run the game,come on?And here will stay only people that praise Oasis,thanking them for Cat ninja,just to roll over Konoha couple times then.Thanking them that they put 1 or 2 f2p events,out of 15-20 p2w ones.


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On 2020-04-26 20:44:31Show this Author Only
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  • Bogotor On 2020-04-26 15:42:03
  • We have the right to say if something is good or bad for us.People like Kharan have opinion that we should sit quietly ant take what Oasis bring to us.Because is free,and can go worse,if we demand too much.

    Also,about quitting-some people stay for they friends in game,for the time,or money,invested,or for the fact they like the concept of the game,and just want to see it become better.Telling someone to quit,just because is not happy how they run the game,come on?And here will stay only people that praise Oasis,thanking them for Cat ninja,just to roll over Konoha couple times then.Thanking them that they put 1 or 2 f2p events,out of 15-20 p2w ones.


You know you can't say "they have a right to say if something is good or bad" after attacking them for their opinion. Seriously, a lot of people here really get triggered by an opinion that you don't agree and a lot of you are optimistic with what Oasis is willing to do.


People stating I'm going to quit doesn't do much and just hurt the moral of the community. You're not convincing me to quit because I have other reasons to stay. You might decide to quit because you didn't learn how to play these type of games properly and how to maneuver them as a f2p.


Seriously, mods close this post already - it already has gone off topic and we don't need the argument to go even worse since people here are capable to do so....




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On 2020-04-26 22:22:52Show this Author Only
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Ok,back on topic then,let's not anger the mighty Danzo more.

For next fireworks expect Hebihime maybe.She is not in events at all anymore,and MANY people want her,I assume.Baki also will be good,sure new servers will love him.What else?Choza maybe,he was in sign in,new servers miss him too.And he have breakthrough too.


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On 2020-04-27 00:55:12Show this Author Only
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  • Asukaaa On 2020-04-16 16:06:47
  • id like some edo tobi frags ngl, really close to getting him


I am sooo close to upgrade 4 * tobi! :D

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On 2020-04-27 02:49:43Show this Author Only
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They wouldnt give 80* of hokage minato considering he is still a 40K ninja, the only gave us 40* of konan AOG so dont expect too much, free is free so we should be happy with what ever we get


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On 2020-04-28 01:05:00Show this Author Only
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  • TobinExplains On 2020-04-25 01:41:13
  • I think that's a rather vivid and over-the-top @nalogy for a browser game, but let's roll with that and go on your terms boss. If I'm the abused girlfriend who speaks out and tries to reform her boyfriend, then you're the abused girlfriend who does nothing, who has already been broken and just su.cks it up because she's happy that she has a boyfriend at all even if he's terrible. I could say the exact same thing to you – if you are willing to use such an extreme @nalogy to describe the devs, then why don't you just leave too?


    No an@logy is necessarily perfect, but this @nalogy doesn't 100% mesh with the cir*stance because the relationship between an individual player and a company isn't in a vacuum. If we really want to make this accurate, then put the abusive boyfriend is in a polygamous relationship with 1000s of people, so that if some lucky girl actually DOES get him to change, it affects way more than just their relationship. It affects all the other ones too. Think of it like reforming a toxic family member. Not only do you have one less negative presence in your life, but the rest of your family doesn't have to deal with them anymore too.


    Edit: Kinda hypocritical of me to bring up an equally vivid an@logy, huh? I'll add the disclaimer that this particular scenario isn't half as intense or important as the toxic family member example. I brought it up to make a parallel point regarding the mechanics of the dynamic, rather than the intensity.

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On 2020-04-28 01:08:27Show this Author Only
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This topic is actually hilarious . You guys went from a browser game to human rights real quick. More seriously, Kharan, so you are saying we should be grateful if we get anything at all because it might be worse or we might be ban? No offense, but this is a coward way of thinking. I should give up just because I might get hurt? Dahell?!!! If everyone was thinking like you women, black people, gay people etc. would still be considered inferior to white man. Because they would say, "let's not fight for our rights, it might be worse".

Also you think p2w has any power on the developper?!! xD When refines level 13 and plus came even huge whales who spends 10k on this game where against it yet Oasis didn't cared. What they did is just censor people and ban them for "drama incitement", "false accusations"...

I don't agree with your opinion but you have the right to express yours just like I have the right to express mine.


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