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On 2020-02-25 22:39:48Show this Author Only
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  • Syaa On 2020-02-23 17:10:11
  • I'll chime in and say Naruto [Ronin] is very, very overrated. He was good back then when we had the old control formula and no counters (Edo Minato's Enfeeble). Nowadays, it's really easy to beat him due to the new control formula which renders the control stat useless as every ninja will have at least a 25% chance of landing a control even if the control stat difference is 10k>


    For GNW he's even more unreliable, unless you're fighting really low bp players with no chance to counter him. Massive Shields without any clone will easily counter him and if you try to run along with a Shield/Buffs removal ninja (Han, 5KM, ETR Madara) just so you don't have to deal with the shields, you'll leave him unprotected and without any buffs other than the permanent buffs.


    I'll leave this as a proof btw. He's a very unreliable and weak ninja in high bp fights. Just for the record, my partner's BP is 570k while mine is 420k

Let me tell you something about Ronin Naruto , his biggest mistake. It isn't the fact that he doesn't have immunity like most people think nor the fact that he can't self heal. It's the fact that he damage is pretty average without buff. Unlike Kushina who hits hard with and without buff or Kakuzu who can still hit hard thanks to his chakra, Ronin Naruto's damage is too average without buff.


Now the team you're using is a complete counter to Ronin Naruto and not mainly because of Minato's enfeeble. That is a huge factor but not the biggest. It's edo tensei release Madara. His barrier is unstoppable and get rid of buff and Chakra. Add Edo Minato with this and you fully countered him. Just because you guys could defeat him with despite the huge power difference doesn't mean he is useless in high bp battle. This power high enough for you?

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You can go check the video on Youtube if you want.


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On 2020-02-26 09:42:14Show this Author Only
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  • momohiu On 2020-02-25 22:39:48
  • Let me tell you something about Ronin Naruto , his biggest mistake. It isn't the fact that he doesn't have immunity like most people think nor the fact that he can't self heal. It's the fact that he damage is pretty average without buff. Unlike Kushina who hits hard with and without buff or Kakuzu who can still hit hard thanks to his chakra, Ronin Naruto's damage is too average without buff.


    Now the team you're using is a complete counter to Ronin Naruto and not mainly because of Minato's enfeeble. That is a huge factor but not the biggest. It's edo tensei release Madara. His barrier is unstoppable and get rid of buff and Chakra. Add Edo Minato with this and you fully countered him. Just because you guys could defeat him with despite the huge power difference doesn't mean he is useless in high bp battle. This power high enough for you?

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    You can go check the video on Youtube if you want.


Your video is from 11 months ago, so I'll just quote myself again:


>He was good back then when we had the old control formula and no counters (Edo Minato's Enfeeble)


Just for the record, Edo Minato's BT came out on China in April of 2019, while the new control formula came out the month after (way after this video you're showing me was posted). By the way, my partner and I aren't running that build just to counter Ronin, we do it just because that's a good build to run in bonds.


I'll add in another example: A few months ago (pre Minato-BT) my 900k groupmate running Ronin in GNW, got beaten by 2x 500k and 1x 400k running massive shields. He simply isn't that good in high-end battles anymore, which is why he isn't being used as much as he used to be despite his frags being easier to collect. At the power I am at or higher he simply doesn't work unless you run into someone that can't counter him or the power gap is way too much to the point his unbuffed standards are enough to kill a ninja.




This post was last edited by Syaa on 2020-02-26 09:46:57.
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On 2020-02-26 17:20:57Show this Author Only
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What an interesting read, hope no one who's suicidal reads this thread tho
I'll join in though coz I'm bored af at work so why not...
OFC SOSP Naruto need BT at 3* ofc...and ST unlocked at 2*.

His mystery must cause unmissable damage ( increased by 60%), interruption and suppresses super armor, if opponent unit is Akatsuki also causes immobile. Causes knockdown to the selected target and earns Naruto explosive mode for one round.

His standard cannot be dodged, hits up to 7 units of the opponents line up, clears buffs, shields, causes 6 combo, high chance of causing knockdown and heals himself by 10% of the damage caused.

The chase is on knockdown causing repulse, cancelling buffs, shields, suppressing immunity to debuffs while causing ignition and immobile.

Passive 1 gives Naruto a certain chance of evading the first mystery skill each round. Has a high chance of evading standard attacks and chase skills, this can be triggered twice each round.

Passive 2 still gives Naruto immunity to all debuffs. During explosive mode Naruto's combo rate is increased by 65%, Critical Hit by 25%, and heals himself for 40% of all damage caused. If killed during explosive mode, Naruto immediately revives with 35% health and gives one random non Akatsuki unit of your team immunity to debuffs for one round and this unit can not be killed during the current round.

I wonder if this would be ok with those that claim he needs breaks


PS: All the above skills are +1 Blue!




This post was last edited by StonnyMc on 2020-02-26 17:24:33.
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On 2020-02-27 05:08:08Show this Author Only
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  • Syaa On 2020-02-26 09:42:14
  • Your video is from 11 months ago, so I'll just quote myself again:


    >He was good back then when we had the old control formula and no counters (Edo Minato's Enfeeble)


    Just for the record, Edo Minato's BT came out on China in April of 2019, while the new control formula came out the month after (way after this video you're showing me was posted). By the way, my partner and I aren't running that build just to counter Ronin, we do it just because that's a good build to run in bonds.


    I'll add in another example: A few months ago (pre Minato-BT) my 900k groupmate running Ronin in GNW, got beaten by 2x 500k and 1x 400k running massive shields. He simply isn't that good in high-end battles anymore, which is why he isn't being used as much as he used to be despite his frags being easier to collect. At the power I am at or higher he simply doesn't work unless you run into someone that can't counter him or the power gap is way too much to the point his unbuffed standards are enough to kill a ninja.

I didn't say you used your team to counter Ronin Naruto, I just said that it counter him. Also, maybe you're right and Ronin Naruto aint that useful in high end battle but what team your group mate was using? And what team the opponent was running? Because if you say that only edo Minato bt can stop Ronin, I'll say he's not that bad. Plus, he doesn't even have bt yet.

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On 2020-02-27 07:45:53Show this Author Only
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well... this one is tricky...
In a certain way, he deserves it... but honestly (unlike say Rinne Sasuke) he was meta ninja and is still pretty solid, especially in 3v3 situations...
Huge problem I see in SBs for Naruto is balancing...

He has pretty much everyround mystery... cant improve that.

His mystery causes interruption... only option is making it unmissable or give it +% dmg (honestly, making is unmissable is too much so only +% dmg is an option)
Giving it "increases cooldown" is out of question... eventually it could cause ignition... or it could suppress super armor to selected unit.

Standards: high chance to lower cooldown... you cant SB that... giving it some status would be too broken... only thing is increasing number of targets to 4 (same as Kakuzu)

Chase: causes immobile, cancels shields and buffs... maybe SB version could suppress immunity to debuffs (but combination of suppression of super armor from mystery and suppression of immunity to debuffs is pretty extreme)

Passive: only SB thing could be copy of Minato´s sb dodge...

Explosion Mode: either make it similar to Rinne Sasuke´s (consume chakra to stack up), or make it to stack initiative every time or increase healing (which would result in 1 to 100% HP mysteries) ...

Honestly, he is still too good for SBs... nothing would be really worthy for spending, since other ninjas do that job already...

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On 2020-02-27 19:11:29Show this Author Only
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  • BattleCrier On 2020-02-27 07:45:53
  • well... this one is tricky...
    In a certain way, he deserves it... but honestly (unlike say Rinne Sasuke) he was meta ninja and is still pretty solid, especially in 3v3 situations...
    Huge problem I see in SBs for Naruto is balancing...

    He has pretty much everyround mystery... cant improve that.

    His mystery causes interruption... only option is making it unmissable or give it +% dmg (honestly, making is unmissable is too much so only +% dmg is an option)
    Giving it "increases cooldown" is out of question... eventually it could cause ignition... or it could suppress super armor to selected unit.

    Standards: high chance to lower cooldown... you cant SB that... giving it some status would be too broken... only thing is increasing number of targets to 4 (same as Kakuzu)

    Chase: causes immobile, cancels shields and buffs... maybe SB version could suppress immunity to debuffs (but combination of suppression of super armor from mystery and suppression of immunity to debuffs is pretty extreme)

    Passive: only SB thing could be copy of Minato´s sb dodge...

    Explosion Mode: either make it similar to Rinne Sasuke´s (consume chakra to stack up), or make it to stack initiative every time or increase healing (which would result in 1 to 100% HP mysteries) ...

    Honestly, he is still too good for SBs... nothing would be really worthy for spending, since other ninjas do that job already...

Yep, tbh would be enough suppression of super armor for mystery +2 and selfstacking with chase up to 3x round (same exact thing as sage naruto skill breaks).

Everything else may stay as is now.

If we want to give a sb to standard attack, as you said could be a 4th target or a +30% flat damage increase, as many other standards.

As you said he doesn't really require immediately sbs as a ninja if i was any other ninja.

The problem is that the ninja we are talking about is naruto in his strongest anime version so it has to be competitive at least with his two parents...




This post was last edited by Scarlettblue on 2020-02-27 19:16:40.
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On 2020-02-27 19:20:27Show this Author Only
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  • StonnyMc On 2020-02-26 17:20:57


  • What an interesting read, hope no one who's suicidal reads this thread tho
    I'll join in though coz I'm bored af at work so why not...
    OFC SOSP Naruto need BT at 3* ofc...and ST unlocked at 2*.

    His mystery must cause unmissable damage ( increased by 60%), interruption and suppresses super armor, if opponent unit is Akatsuki also causes immobile. Causes knockdown to the selected target and earns Naruto explosive mode for one round.

    His standard cannot be dodged, hits up to 7 units of the opponents line up, clears buffs, shields, causes 6 combo, high chance of causing knockdown and heals himself by 10% of the damage caused.

    The chase is on knockdown causing repulse, cancelling buffs, shields, suppressing immunity to debuffs while causing ignition and immobile.

    Passive 1 gives Naruto a certain chance of evading the first mystery skill each round. Has a high chance of evading standard attacks and chase skills, this can be triggered twice each round.

    Passive 2 still gives Naruto immunity to all debuffs. During explosive mode Naruto's combo rate is increased by 65%, Critical Hit by 25%, and heals himself for 40% of all damage caused. If killed during explosive mode, Naruto immediately revives with 35% health and gives one random non Akatsuki unit of your team immunity to debuffs for one round and this unit can not be killed during the current round.

    I wonder if this would be ok with those that claim he needs breaks


    PS: All the above skills are +1 Blue!

So it's fine that the strongest version of naruto in the anime is not even competitive with his two parents in a game called naruto online.

Btw, none said to make him as op as you said.

For example i simply suggested to give him the same breaks as sage naruto (doesn't seem that weird...)

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On 2020-02-28 15:17:46Show this Author Only
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He doesn't need breaks at all, he was cancer king, and now he is still best ninja his price range just not over all, he is the strongest ninja out of all the ones priced at 15-20k coupons.You can't compare him to 4 star max broken Kushina/Kakuzu/Bee/Edo Minato they cost 3-5 times more then him.

Short version: Just because he isn't best, he is still top 10 ninja, there is another 200+ worse then him, he don't need breaks he is very good for his price.

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On 2020-02-28 18:21:16Show this Author Only
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  • Dym On 2020-02-28 15:17:46
  • He doesn't need breaks at all, he was cancer king, and now he is still best ninja his price range just not over all, he is the strongest ninja out of all the ones priced at 15-20k coupons.You can't compare him to 4 star max broken Kushina/Kakuzu/Bee/Edo Minato they cost 3-5 times more then him.

    Short version: Just because he isn't best, he is still top 10 ninja, there is another 200+ worse then him, he don't need breaks he is very good for his price.

I don't get the point.

If they give him breaks also the broken version of naruto sosp would cost exactly as much as edo minato's or kakuzu eg's since the fragments of those ninjas cost the same 200 coupons per fragment in average (and would cost twice as much as kushina because her frags are around 120 coupons).

That said, doesn't seem to me at all he is in top10 currently.

Kakuzu eg teams don't use him, kushina teams neither, ronin naruto teams can't use him, just some weird edo minato team use him as move 2, but simply because the players cannot afford to get edo hashirama full sb besides a bunch of ultrawhales, otherwise they would use one among sage naruto sb/sage jiraya sb/kabuto sage mode/madara 10tails in his place. Let me be clearer, the fact you still somehow see him used as move 2 or 3 depends exclusively on the fact edo hashirama breaks are at 4*.

P.S. As soon as we get sasuke rs breaks another meta with nagato full sb will appear, making him fall even lower.

But don't worry he will eventually get them.





This post was last edited by Scarlettblue on 2020-02-28 18:36:26.
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