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On 2020-02-11 18:03:05Show All Posts
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Yes, he needs them and they also need to be very good.

Currently he is useful only as a move 2/3 ninja for whales over 700k power.




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On 2020-02-11 18:10:27Show All Posts
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  • BustCheeksDesu On 2020-02-10 21:44:13
  • No, he doesn't. He is already a solid ninja even now. Unlike how Minato was virtually unplayable if you didn't have his bond barrier, and even then, that is debatable.

He isn't solid at all.

His mystery damage output is average, his mystery and standard attack can be dodged and his dodge is just once per round.

His main two good sides: immunity to debuffs and selfhealing are made useless by the amount of eg kakuzu, kushina, minato edo breaks that polluted the game currently.

Basically, run him right now as a move 1 is impossible, it's just a decent move 2/3 ninja to add to your edo minato, edo hashi, water/wind main team.


To make him a decent option again right now he needs to get sage naruto breaks on self giving chakra/debuff removal and on selfstacking atk/nin with chase and he needs to get a suppression superarmor/debuff immunity with his mystery or standard attack.




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On 2020-02-14 18:48:24Show All Posts
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  • RenjiAsuka On 2020-02-11 22:23:14
  • And guess what, so does Edo Minato Y Mystery can be dodged and his standard, Dodge isn't an excuse for a ninja to be breakthrough'd, if it WAS then Oasis may as well remove Dodge and even Super Armor from the game. Get out of here with your crappy reasons.

Are you really comparing edo minato mystery with sosp naruto's?

Are you serious?

Edo minato mystery is by default a bigger damage mystery than naruto's (even without breaks is a 150% stats one while naruto's is a 100% one) that delivers REPULSE (naruto's delivers knockdown, a difference as big as a mountain) and tag too on whoever is not immune to debuffs.

Once you break it you can choose between a 3 rounds version that cannot be dodged and that deals an additional 30% wind damage or a 2 rounds cd version that can be dodged and still has all the basic traits of the not broken one, besides the unmissable (but you can still easily select a clone or a weak ninja and obliterate whatever is behind it, due to repulse damage that still cannot be dodged).

But the amout of advantage doesn't stop there.

Unless the whole enemy team is immune to chases somehow with minato you c*ways select an enemy that doesn't dodge and trigger a combo that selfstacks atk and combo and that also lower the cd of the mystery.

To do so with naruto (without getting any boost to your stats too) you need that your standard attack triggers the combo effect on a target (something that doesn't happen with 100% chance if the enemy combo rate is higher or comparable to naruto's or if is able to dodge it).


So in what is minato y+1 mystery that may be dodged as much as naruto's comparable to naruto's? (without considering also the fact that there's no medical prescription that impose on you to select it in the place of the +2 version and just kill everything round 4 the same by taking full advantage of his other passive that decreases def).


And no, removing from the game dodge or superarmor makes no sense, otherwise there would be no point in using ninjas that may ignore them and make their players pay a lot to get them.


That said, this game unless i am hallucinating is called naruto online and if the strongest version of naruto there is in the anime isn't even close to be comparable to a very secondary ninja like his mother or with a ninja they beat before the final arc of the story like kakuzu, then there's a serious issue.




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On 2020-02-14 18:57:46Show All Posts
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  • momohiu On 2020-02-12 09:26:21
  • Well if he does deserve BT then Ronin Naruto too and 3 stars because ronin is way too expensive

Indeed, but way after they added kaguya and skillbroken sosp.

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On 2020-02-18 19:43:37Show All Posts
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  • RenjiAsuka On 2020-02-14 21:53:34
  • "Edo minato mystery is by default a bigger damage mystery than naruto's" irrelevant, I never argued on damage.

    "Edo minato mystery is by default a bigger damage mystery than naruto's (even without breaks is a 150% stats one while naruto's is a 100% one) that delivers REPULSE (naruto's delivers knockdown, a difference as big as a mountain) and tag too on whoever is not immune to debuffs." Quoting this twice, cause it has 2 points. First, Minato can't chase his own mystery, Naruto can, also Naruto even gains leech off his chase, which can CC as well as remove buffs/shields on whatever on any ninja, as well as immobile any ninja who isn't immune.

    "Once you break it you can choose between a 3 rounds version that cannot be dodged and that deals an additional 30% wind damage or a 2 rounds cd version that can be dodged and still has all the basic traits of the not broken one, besides the unmissable (but you can still easily select a clone or a weak ninja and obliterate whatever is behind it, due to repulse damage that still cannot be dodged)." Still can't CC, or even chase off his mystery or do what Naruto can provide.

    "Unless the whole enemy team is immune to chases somehow with minato you c*ways select an enemy that doesn't dodge and trigger a combo that selfstacks atk and combo and that also lower the cd of the mystery." That would imply, you have the ability to chase off of Minato's Mystery.

    "To do so with naruto (without getting any boost to your stats too) you need that your standard attack triggers the combo effect on a target (something that doesn't happen with 100% chance if the enemy combo rate is higher or comparable to naruto's or if is able to dodge it)." Most SoSP teams run Killer Bee 7 Sword, and they c*e standard to bait any dodges then mystery. (Only bad players use his mystery right away especially if there is a dodge ninja that will use its mystery, so you c*e it to start a CC.)

    "So in what is minato y+1 mystery that may be dodged as much as naruto's comparable to naruto's?" Try this again in English as this is just a lot of words that say absolutely nothing.

    "And no, removing from the game dodge or superarmor makes no sense, otherwise there would be no point in using ninjas that may ignore them and make their players pay a lot to get them." Your whole argument is "To make him a decent option again right now he needs to get sage naruto breaks on self giving chakra/debuff removal and on selfstacking atk/nin with chase and he needs to get a suppression superarmor/debuff immunity with his mystery or standard attack." Not every ninja needs to do these things such as remove super armor or debuff on immunity.

    Also, apparently you forgotten when SoSP was meta, when people have complained CONSTANTLY that fights would last 10 rounds cause of P1 Naruto vs P1 Naruto.

What are we talking about?

Two 350ks or lower that meet each other with a 120k+ move 1 and wholly unexistant move 2/3/4?

In this case all you said is true, besides one thing: naruto leaches only if is in explosive move. If the enemy combo rate is higher than his one or if dodges then there's no leach (and edo minato is one of the ninjas that may easily overcome him in combo rate).

Are we talking instead about matches among 600k+ players whose move 2 is very comparable to move 1 and whose move 3/4 aren't just there to be a cute surrounding garment?

Then minato links always is chase (unless full immunities) thanks to whatever ninja you put in move 2 that lets him do it (that may be for example sage naruto or nagato, or edo roshi + kushina habanero too, that is quite an op team with edo minato).

You have always to look at a ninja's set of abilities considering how they would work in this situation and not in the situation where at the end of round 2 the match becomes a 1vs1 since that moment onwards.

The game meta isn't thought to be balanced for matches where there's 1 move only that matters.

The situation you bring in about naruto vs naruto meta happened exactly for this very same reason.





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On 2020-02-18 19:51:00Show All Posts
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  • Goshi On 2020-02-15 01:41:39
  • Hahahah! This thread is about people who used and might still use Sosp aka cancer Naruto and who want him to be relevant again as he is getting shredded by Kushina,Kakuzu, Minato etc. He does not need BT. His kit is enough for his worth. I believe his days as a cancer p1 are over and should be left to rest in peace.

    Even if you debate whether or not he will get BT, that is not your call, but CN's. So there's no need for yet another thread regarding this topic.

    If you like him that much, which I doubt, as most of wanted winnable fights no matter how much time it required, you can still use him in a variety of teams, as a p2 or p3.


Oasis collects our desires and reports them to tencent.

If it's something that brings in money, and naruto sosp breaks obviously are, then you can bet your head it will be done.

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On 2020-02-18 19:54:42Show All Posts
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  • Peagout On 2020-02-15 20:47:21
  • Meanwhile, people forget that Ronin Naruto is one of the best ninjas in the game.

People will continue to forget about it until he begins to appear in mega carnival at 2400 ingots.

That said, ronin naruto is very bad, tbh, once your move 2/3/4 aren't shenanigans, since he isn't immune to debuffs and doesn't selfheal.

Don't think about him only from the perspective of a low power player that meets a 700k whale with a 180k+ move 1 that uses him against you.

That same whale would destroy you in the same exact way (tbh better and faster) by using a full free option like chojuro full sb.





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On 2020-02-19 18:12:21Show All Posts
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  • RenjiAsuka On 2020-02-18 21:37:48
  • Naruto can heal himself through Anbu Tactics from LM and be provided an immunity to debuffs through RoW and EM's Guidance, though he'd lose the leech, in which case, you could run standard Guy instead, but I rather run Bee + Hashirama combination over Guy.

    Also, I don't know why you seem to think that Minato can chase off himself when he clearly can't.

I said clearly that if your move 2 is decent you will have the chase that supports you long enough to let minato stack.

I talked about or nagato or sage naruto and the combo edo roshi kushina habanero exactly for that reason (all ninjas immune to debuffs or that are able to self clear their debuffs).

I thought i explained myself clearly enough.


About ronin naruto that selfheals with anbu...

Of course, every ninja with a tai or half nin half tai attack selfheals thanks to it, but since ronin naruto isn't immune to debuffs it's enough 1 ignition to deny it even if the mb is still alive (considerig the fact basically every common meta right now remove buffs and apply ignition somehow, the anbu tactics point isn't a good point in his favor).


The only situation where ronin naruto is good is when you are faster and own at least 8k more control rate than the enemy.

Otherwise ronin naruto will always lose against teams that are able to cc him.

We were talking about sosp, no? Naruto sosp beats every time ronin naruto on 1vs1 if their stats are comparable.





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On 2020-02-19 19:54:31Show All Posts
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  • momohiu On 2020-02-19 02:21:54
  • "Ronin Naruto is very bad" LOL!!! Well then these move 2/3/4 must be super OP because I already defeated people with way more than 200k power than me with a regular Ronin Naruto team. Not just the move 3, 4 or 2. Nah the whole squad. Sure Ronin is weaker when you get rid of his buff but he remains a beast. Kakuzu, Kushina and edo Minato BT are the only one who can possibly defeat him because of their heal, defense buff for kakuzu, cc for Kushina and standard attack dodge for Minato. Even at that, it is arguable, since the only Kakuzu and Kushina that defeated me outside arena had always 70k and plus power than me, and even at that I defeated them sometimes. As for Minato bt, I can't say a lot about him since I didn't face any outside arena

I didn't say is bad. I say that is not that op when you meet somebody with comparable or higher power than yours that owns initiative over you.

If a full damage oriented ninja doesn't grant you a chance to win in this condition then is not an op ninja, but just a useful one.

Edo minato sb or kushina sb, instead, are good ninjas for this very reason.

Ronin naruto is good exclusively if you own initiative and if your move 1 secondary stats are so higher than the enemy move 2/3/4 stats that those moves are there just as a decoration (since they cannot control him, they cannot deny a devastating critical hit from him and so they are just there as food for his selfstacking passive).

It's a whale only gadget good exclusively for fast stomping streaks in swb that does literally nothing in a whale vs whale environment or in arena (where control fail doesn't exist, more or less).

In general there's literally close to no reason to choose him over full sb chojuro in every situation.


P. S.

Tbh to make ronin naruto useless it's enough a faster water main together with a round 1 buff cleaner.

Take the team renji suggested: ronin naruto, edo hashi full sb, mb, bee sst.

Against water main, normal han, wb asuma, gakido full sb (a full free team) where you don't own initiative.

Round 1 han clears buff with mystery, water main round comes first, your whole team but bee is chaosed (unless you select the y+2 passive of hashi, but if you do hashi won't clear the chaos on ronin naruto).

At that point what do you do?

Even if you are able to trigger hashi chase thanks to his mystery on water main, gakido will reduce again the cd on her if needed.

If instead of edo hashi, we talk about normal hashi that's there just to boost him is even better, for obvious reasons.

An hyper op on paper team, expensive as hell, that gets nullified by a full free team with 1 more point of initiative.

Indeed good this ronin naruto.





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On 2020-02-20 20:34:29Show All Posts
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  • momohiu On 2020-02-19 02:21:54
  • "Ronin Naruto is very bad" LOL!!! Well then these move 2/3/4 must be super OP because I already defeated people with way more than 200k power than me with a regular Ronin Naruto team. Not just the move 3, 4 or 2. Nah the whole squad. Sure Ronin is weaker when you get rid of his buff but he remains a beast. Kakuzu, Kushina and edo Minato BT are the only one who can possibly defeat him because of their heal, defense buff for kakuzu, cc for Kushina and standard attack dodge for Minato. Even at that, it is arguable, since the only Kakuzu and Kushina that defeated me outside arena had always 70k and plus power than me, and even at that I defeated them sometimes. As for Minato bt, I can't say a lot about him since I didn't face any outside arena

They just need to own secondary stats high enough to not take for granted that every attack they endure is a critical hit with a so high injury boost that destroy them in one shot or to not take for granted that whatever control skill you use will fail always.

Obviously if you face a team 200k stronger that yours where your move 1 is 200k and your move 2/3/4 is 70k while his one are 180k in 1 and 140k in 2/3/4 it's quite normal you win, since the match is actually your 200k move 1 vs his 180k move 1 even if he owns 200k more total power than you.

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On 2020-02-20 20:40:30Show All Posts
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  • Malachorn On 2020-02-19 21:41:50
  • O-o you got the wrong Hashirama in mind, Hashirama First Hokage is in the team, not Edo.

I said it after: " if instead..."

Because if we talk about full skillbroken normal hashi ronin naruto has literally no ways to remove chaos (neurotoxin cannot control fail)




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On 2020-02-21 18:49:43Show All Posts
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  • momohiu On 2020-02-20 22:27:57
  • Nah every one is going for position 1 meta and my move 1 had 90k power while i don't remember his but it was way over 90k. Ronin Naruto does over 5k damage with his standard without crit. Add bee and he gets 3 standard in a row. That's more than 15k damage a round since his attack increase by 5% for every standard and chase he has. And whenever he kill other positions, clones or summons he gets an additionnal standard.


    You say they just need to have secondary stats high enough but that is almost impossible. The guys who had more than 200k than me, his position 2 had more power than my position 1 as for position 3 and 4, they were pretty close to my position 1. But, their secondary stat were way below mine. They only had higher base stat. That's because it's easier to build base stat than secondary stat on the other position(refine, charm, rune stone... harder to farm for each and every position...). So unless you have 30k power and your opponent has 100k, it's almost impossible that they have higher secondary stats.


    Now you say Ronin Naruto is bad, yet I showed you that he can defeat opponent with 200k more power. Show me one of your ninja you're so sure they are OP defeating opponent with more than 200k power.

That's the reason why here costs an eye of your head while in cn costs 2400 ingots.

Because here the amount of 700k+ people with high secondary stats in move 2-4 is low and because edo hashirama breaks are more expensive than ronin naruto itself, so running a team with edo minato and edo hashi both broken to get weakening effects is almost impossible to see.

The real reason why ronin naruto is currently considered op is because oasis did everything that was in their power to make impossibile or more expensive than him to run teams that counter it (who is so mad tu run shark bomb teams or heavy shielding teams currently since they give no advantage in swb?).


P.S. What team are you currently using with him?


Anyways to go back to the point of the thread.

Naruto sosp needs breaks, indeed.

Sasuke rs got them and they made him extremely good i don't see the reason why naruto shouldn't get them.




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On 2020-02-25 17:57:37Show All Posts
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  • Syaa On 2020-02-23 17:10:11
  • I'll chime in and say Naruto [Ronin] is very, very overrated. He was good back then when we had the old control formula and no counters (Edo Minato's Enfeeble). Nowadays, it's really easy to beat him due to the new control formula which renders the control stat useless as every ninja will have at least a 25% chance of landing a control even if the control stat difference is 10k>


    For GNW he's even more unreliable, unless you're fighting really low bp players with no chance to counter him. Massive Shields without any clone will easily counter him and if you try to run along with a Shield/Buffs removal ninja (Han, 5KM, ETR Madara) just so you don't have to deal with the shields, you'll leave him unprotected and without any buffs other than the permanent buffs.


    I'll leave this as a proof btw. He's a very unreliable and weak ninja in high bp fights. Just for the record, my partner's BP is 570k while mine is 420k

Thanks, finally somebody that actually is playing the game at the level where the balancement is the one the devs had in their minds when they added naruto ronin.

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On 2020-02-27 19:11:29Show All Posts
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  • BattleCrier On 2020-02-27 07:45:53
  • well... this one is tricky...
    In a certain way, he deserves it... but honestly (unlike say Rinne Sasuke) he was meta ninja and is still pretty solid, especially in 3v3 situations...
    Huge problem I see in SBs for Naruto is balancing...

    He has pretty much everyround mystery... cant improve that.

    His mystery causes interruption... only option is making it unmissable or give it +% dmg (honestly, making is unmissable is too much so only +% dmg is an option)
    Giving it "increases cooldown" is out of question... eventually it could cause ignition... or it could suppress super armor to selected unit.

    Standards: high chance to lower cooldown... you cant SB that... giving it some status would be too broken... only thing is increasing number of targets to 4 (same as Kakuzu)

    Chase: causes immobile, cancels shields and buffs... maybe SB version could suppress immunity to debuffs (but combination of suppression of super armor from mystery and suppression of immunity to debuffs is pretty extreme)

    Passive: only SB thing could be copy of Minato´s sb dodge...

    Explosion Mode: either make it similar to Rinne Sasuke´s (consume chakra to stack up), or make it to stack initiative every time or increase healing (which would result in 1 to 100% HP mysteries) ...

    Honestly, he is still too good for SBs... nothing would be really worthy for spending, since other ninjas do that job already...

Yep, tbh would be enough suppression of super armor for mystery +2 and selfstacking with chase up to 3x round (same exact thing as sage naruto skill breaks).

Everything else may stay as is now.

If we want to give a sb to standard attack, as you said could be a 4th target or a +30% flat damage increase, as many other standards.

As you said he doesn't really require immediately sbs as a ninja if i was any other ninja.

The problem is that the ninja we are talking about is naruto in his strongest anime version so it has to be competitive at least with his two parents...




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On 2020-02-27 19:20:27Show All Posts
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  • StonnyMc On 2020-02-26 17:20:57


  • What an interesting read, hope no one who's suicidal reads this thread tho
    I'll join in though coz I'm bored af at work so why not...
    OFC SOSP Naruto need BT at 3* ofc...and ST unlocked at 2*.

    His mystery must cause unmissable damage ( increased by 60%), interruption and suppresses super armor, if opponent unit is Akatsuki also causes immobile. Causes knockdown to the selected target and earns Naruto explosive mode for one round.

    His standard cannot be dodged, hits up to 7 units of the opponents line up, clears buffs, shields, causes 6 combo, high chance of causing knockdown and heals himself by 10% of the damage caused.

    The chase is on knockdown causing repulse, cancelling buffs, shields, suppressing immunity to debuffs while causing ignition and immobile.

    Passive 1 gives Naruto a certain chance of evading the first mystery skill each round. Has a high chance of evading standard attacks and chase skills, this can be triggered twice each round.

    Passive 2 still gives Naruto immunity to all debuffs. During explosive mode Naruto's combo rate is increased by 65%, Critical Hit by 25%, and heals himself for 40% of all damage caused. If killed during explosive mode, Naruto immediately revives with 35% health and gives one random non Akatsuki unit of your team immunity to debuffs for one round and this unit can not be killed during the current round.

    I wonder if this would be ok with those that claim he needs breaks


    PS: All the above skills are +1 Blue!

So it's fine that the strongest version of naruto in the anime is not even competitive with his two parents in a game called naruto online.

Btw, none said to make him as op as you said.

For example i simply suggested to give him the same breaks as sage naruto (doesn't seem that weird...)

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On 2020-02-28 18:21:16Show All Posts
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  • Dym On 2020-02-28 15:17:46
  • He doesn't need breaks at all, he was cancer king, and now he is still best ninja his price range just not over all, he is the strongest ninja out of all the ones priced at 15-20k coupons.You can't compare him to 4 star max broken Kushina/Kakuzu/Bee/Edo Minato they cost 3-5 times more then him.

    Short version: Just because he isn't best, he is still top 10 ninja, there is another 200+ worse then him, he don't need breaks he is very good for his price.

I don't get the point.

If they give him breaks also the broken version of naruto sosp would cost exactly as much as edo minato's or kakuzu eg's since the fragments of those ninjas cost the same 200 coupons per fragment in average (and would cost twice as much as kushina because her frags are around 120 coupons).

That said, doesn't seem to me at all he is in top10 currently.

Kakuzu eg teams don't use him, kushina teams neither, ronin naruto teams can't use him, just some weird edo minato team use him as move 2, but simply because the players cannot afford to get edo hashirama full sb besides a bunch of ultrawhales, otherwise they would use one among sage naruto sb/sage jiraya sb/kabuto sage mode/madara 10tails in his place. Let me be clearer, the fact you still somehow see him used as move 2 or 3 depends exclusively on the fact edo hashirama breaks are at 4*.

P.S. As soon as we get sasuke rs breaks another meta with nagato full sb will appear, making him fall even lower.

But don't worry he will eventually get them.





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