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On 2019-12-05 07:41:17Show this Author OnlyDescending Order
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So a few things in the game defies all logic which i want to bring out

1) Sage battles have players from 50> to 50< and eventhough the camps are overloaded, there's no segregation in newer servers

2) The cutivation rebate (5natures chakra) accepts cultivation's which are brought within the page meaning free cultivation scrolls or ones you have stored won't work

3) There are never discounts for buying ingots

4) outdated ninjas like kid konohamaru hardly show up in events

5) You can't split summon rune stones but can with normal rune stones/magatamas

6) We have to beset 6 magatamas one by one whilst other regions are able to ac*ulate and level up magatamas straight away

7) 1-ingot sales doesn't have a single item which takes 1 ingot to participate in

8) Some ninjas have 3 star skill trials whilst others have 4 stars

9) What's the point of having "holidays commemorations" ninja collection if every thing on it is limited event

10) Super cheap Shopping isn't "super cheap"Not to mention the "new chance" ends up being a refreshment of the un-brought items

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This post was last edited by Moon Lovers on 2019-12-05 07:41:17.
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On 2019-11-30 22:02:35Show this Author Only
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Not all items are good. But yeah, 5 Seal scrolls for 187 ingots...hell yeah. 5 Summoning scrolls for 94? Bring it on. 5 advanced refines for 76? I am in.

Why nobody buys it? Most servers are dead and have barely any players who even check those events.

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On 2019-11-30 22:13:51Show this Author Only
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5 seals for 187 ingots.... you're buying it with ingots, if you look at it another way, 10 seals for 374 ingots ~ putting in 300 ingots in a monthly card gives you 1800 coupons over a month which gives around 15 for buying them outright; ingots have a much higher value than coupons,



comparing normal coupon prices and discounting them to be brought for ingots makes no sense because in reality you're not being discounted and you'd be ineffectively using the premium currency




This post was last edited by Moon Lovers on 2019-11-30 22:14:21.
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On 2019-11-30 22:28:07Show this Author Only
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No, what makes no sense is the f2p / low-casher mentality of "this makes much more sense...." because.... people who reload do

*drum roll........*

...still buy the monthly card

shocker. i know!

Unless you are a really low casher (monthly+weekly+froggy+convoy) you can not keep multiplying your ingots into coupons and still reload plenty.

But yes, casher are aware that ingots are more valueable than coupons...which is why nobody bought those training potions.

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On 2019-12-01 02:41:49Show this Author Only
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  • Moon Lovers On 2019-11-30 22:13:51
  • 5 seals for 187 ingots.... you're buying it with ingots, if you look at it another way, 10 seals for 374 ingots ~ putting in 300 ingots in a monthly card gives you 1800 coupons over a month which gives around 15 for buying them outright; ingots have a much higher value than coupons,



    comparing normal coupon prices and discounting them to be brought for ingots makes no sense because in reality you're not being discounted and you'd be ineffectively using the premium currency

I have been advocating this forever. Ingots have a higher value than coupons. Back in the hay day, I actually did the math on it and essentially put it at 3.8 coupons per ingot (this was before the plat monthly card came out). Rounding up, (for simplicity) its essentially a 4 to 1 ratio.


When paying for ANYTHING with ingots, you have to consider its value in proportion to this ratio. For a seal scroll to be worth it, the ingot cost needs to be 31 per seal scroll. (or more accurately, 31.25). This is based on the 125 cost in the shop with no discount. If you factor in that there are a plethora of ways to get seal scrolls on discounts, then the price should be MUCH less.


Out of EVERYTHING in this event, there is only ONE thing that comes close to being worth it. I'm not going to mention it for fear that the price will increase in future releases. Why won't I say? I have seen the increase in price of Adv skill trial packs from 100 to 110 for no good reason, which really defeats the purpose of "the deal." Yes, its something I want and need.


As opposed to "high spenders" vs low spenders and f2p, that mentality you cant really apply it here. They think on a different level and have the resources to be able to think that way. It's like a middle class person vs a wealthy person owning a Lamborghini Sure, its POSSIBLE to own it, but the maintenance on a car like that is extremely high Average is 15-50k. So while a "whale" can drop 3k and get their Obito or Ronin Naruto and not phase them, everyone else would see that as not practical. Nevermind the concept of "saving coupons" via monthly cards.




This post was last edited by Shyuko on 2019-12-01 02:42:58.
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On 2019-12-01 05:16:52Show this Author Only
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A very unpractical value ratio. How many ingots a week can you convert with this ratio? Unless you only recharge for the cards themselfs, this maximazation thery is of no use, since you cannot apply to most of your ingots (if f.e. you recharge 5k ingots / week).


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On 2019-12-01 05:34:11Show this Author Only
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  • Pupsiiiii On 2019-12-01 05:16:52
  • A very unpractical value ratio. How many ingots a week can you convert with this ratio? Unless you only recharge for the cards themselfs, this maximazation thery is of no use, since you cannot apply to most of your ingots (if f.e. you recharge 5k ingots / week).


Its pure math, if you don't see that, then I can't help you. If YOU choose to not value your ingots in this manner, then of course they are worthless to you. There are a variety of ways how one can convert ingots into coupons. Literally every month you can up too and including naruto froggy. Just because YOU ARE IMPATIENT doesn't mean that the value of these ingots aren't 4-1 or more.

You can argue until you are blue in the face, the math is all that matters. Don't mix apples to oranges about recharging 150k ingots over a short period vs the average (and majority) that recharge 100 bucks a month. The value is there, regardless if you decide to just toss it down the drain by buying things with them for a seemingly slight discount.


Also, the idea that the average player recharges 5,000 ingots per week is really reaching, and only serves to fit YOUR argument instead of the actual reason at hand: Ingots hold a higher value....of 4 coupons to 1 ingot. Period.




This post was last edited by Shyuko on 2019-12-01 05:43:29.
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On 2019-12-01 06:03:20Show this Author Only
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Yes, the math is the math. Here is a good tip for life: become a professional poker player and only play in freerolls. Win 0.01$ and your Return on Investment will be, literally, infinite.

I have never claimed, that the average player recharges 5k ingots a week. What a nonsense.

My argument was the same from the very beginning; the ratio only applies to a very limited amount of ingots and many players will not chose to optimize and not recharge a single ingot more.

It's not about impatience. It's about what you want from the game. Your way of patience, is good for low spenders, I never challenged that. But unless your goal is a PvE-Goal, and not a PvP-Goal this limited spending "patience" of yours will never allow you to reach your goal. Unless it is owning a certain ninja, or beating highest Ninja Exam. Then good luck to you.

Me, yes, I am happy about this addition still, since my goal never was to reach optimum ratio of coupons to ingots, but just do whatever I want and please.

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On 2019-12-01 06:39:17Show this Author Only
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  • Pupsiiiii On 2019-12-01 06:03:20
  • Yes, the math is the math. Here is a good tip for life: become a professional poker player and only play in freerolls. Win 0.01$ and your Return on Investment will be, literally, infinite.

    I have never claimed, that the average player recharges 5k ingots a week. What a nonsense.

    My argument was the same from the very beginning; the ratio only applies to a very limited amount of ingots and many players will not chose to optimize and not recharge a single ingot more.

    It's not about impatience. It's about what you want from the game. Your way of patience, is good for low spenders, I never challenged that. But unless your goal is a PvE-Goal, and not a PvP-Goal this limited spending "patience" of yours will never allow you to reach your goal. Unless it is owning a certain ninja, or beating highest Ninja Exam. Then good luck to you.

    Me, yes, I am happy about this addition still, since my goal never was to reach optimum ratio of coupons to ingots, but just do whatever I want and please.

Funny, because a professional poker player plays in ALL events available to them, and they would use the MATH to make the best decisions in a hand instead of relying on pure feel. Playing in any and ALL freerolls IS +EV (seeing as I'm actually a poker player, tough luck for you). I would love for you to actually try and talk to some REAL poker players and tell them to...no wait....CONVINCE THEM not to implement ICM (that stands for Independent Chip Model, because I doubt you really are a player) when deciding on a chop in a tournament final table. Naw, "do what you want and please." See how that works out for you in the long run in the poker world.


The fact that you are using EMOTIONS to make decisions shows just WHY you can't see the value for ingots as to what they are. (Or you are choosing to ignore the actual topic and trying to alter it into something else).


"It's not about impatience..." ??? This game is LITERALLY about patience and saving, milking events for all they are worth, and getting freebies every single week. This game and its pricing and "GATCHA" mechanics take advantage of the players that "GOTTA HAVE IT NOW" instead of piecing items, ninjas, clothing together, etc. There is NEVER a time in which having a ninja first or right away will make or break someone with some RARE exceptions.....and those rare exceptions are most likely tucked away behind a paywall of recharging tens of thousands of ingots just to have. If that is the case, that won't really matter to the average player of having that right away, will it?


"I have never claimed that the average player recharges 5k......" Then why did you suddenly throw out that example as it was standard? It really makes no sense unless the IMPLICATION is to assume that the average player does this.....which I can assure you they do not.


"The ratio only applies to a very limited amount of ingots...." No, that isn't how an economy works. The value is ALWAYS present. The value of your dollar doesn't change when shopping on a normal day versus a sale day. You can get MORE value for your buck during a sale, but if they mark it up to 4 times and then say its 60% off, then you aren't really getting the proper value, aren't you? (Might be a confusing example, but everyone knows that there are "marked up discounts" particularly at jewelry stores. You get the example, don't pretend or change it into something else please.


You are literally changing the argument at hand to.....why again? Win the argument and have the last word? Its about VALUE....and ingots HOLD A HIGHER VALUE than coupons. P E R I O D.

It isn't about what one wants or not, nor is it about patience vs impatience......the TOPIC is and has always been about VALUE. On a very basic level, as I mentioned before, ingots are more valuable than coupons. If you want to factor in time, progress, cross / multiple rebate events, then it becomes more complex, but the BASIS of it comes to that 4 to 1 ratio. Plain and simple.




This post was last edited by Shyuko on 2019-12-01 06:55:14.
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On 2019-12-02 03:23:12Show this Author Only
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@ pupsii


That wasn't my point. I merely gave an example as to how even with ingots, the items can be seen as over priced to casual spenders. The whole point of the thread was to show the flaw of comparing original coupon and ingot prices then discounting them to be brought solely for ingots.


Your argument of saying ingots and coupons having the same value would underpin my whole reason for wanting discounts to be available for ingots and coupons




This post was last edited by Moon Lovers on 2019-12-02 03:24:40.
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On 2019-12-03 17:27:35Show this Author Only
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this moon lovers is always crying here in forum lol .. you dont have the right to blame if your not even donating in game... thats the reason why we call some poeple a Big wheel!! they dont care about the price is blah blah blah they want to be stronge so if the money is not a issues for them then you better stfu.. if you realy want to play a fair and skill base game then your not suit in naruto online go play dota,LOL,ML,ROS,PUBG ..

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On 2019-12-03 20:28:16Show this Author Only
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  • hatemore On 2019-12-03 17:27:35
  • this moon lovers is always crying here in forum lol .. you dont have the right to blame if your not even donating in game... thats the reason why we call some poeple a Big wheel!! they dont care about the price is blah blah blah they want to be stronge so if the money is not a issues for them then you better stfu.. if you realy want to play a fair and skill base game then your not suit in naruto online go play dota,LOL,ML,ROS,PUBG ..

Has to be good to be in charge of a plant account.

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On 2019-12-03 22:07:25Show this Author Only
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  • hatemore On 2019-12-03 17:27:35
  • this moon lovers is always crying here in forum lol .. you dont have the right to blame if your not even donating in game... thats the reason why we call some poeple a Big wheel!! they dont care about the price is blah blah blah they want to be stronge so if the money is not a issues for them then you better stfu.. if you realy want to play a fair and skill base game then your not suit in naruto online go play dota,LOL,ML,ROS,PUBG ..

Actually F2P have all the right to complain. P2W would be nothing without them after all. Go and have fun on the empty, deserted servers after all the F2P quit. No online MMO can sustain itself without a decent playerbase of F2P.

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On 2019-12-04 02:46:01Show this Author Only
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  • hatemore On 2019-12-03 17:27:35
  • this moon lovers is always crying here in forum lol .. you dont have the right to blame if your not even donating in game... thats the reason why we call some poeple a Big wheel!! they dont care about the price is blah blah blah they want to be stronge so if the money is not a issues for them then you better stfu.. if you realy want to play a fair and skill base game then your not suit in naruto online go play dota,LOL,ML,ROS,PUBG ..

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On 2019-12-04 02:49:37Show this Author Only
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  • Kharan On 2019-12-03 22:07:25
  • Actually F2P have all the right to complain. P2W would be nothing without them after all. Go and have fun on the empty, deserted servers after all the F2P quit. No online MMO can sustain itself without a decent playerbase of F2P.

Absolutely and if there's an obvious flaw in one of the events, of course i'm going to question its nature

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On 2019-12-04 13:54:26Show this Author Only
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  • Moon Lovers On 2019-12-04 02:46:01
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as it show to the picture you recharge right?? but not that much?? then if you value your ingots and that event is not worth it to spin ingot then dont do it simple as that !! .. you kept on complaining here in forum with useless topic.. if you want to suggest go to suggest section not here in general discussion.. but as we can see of all you doing here is complaining for nonsense ... you kept on complaining but still do recharge?? what is that>? you dont like the taste of the foods but still you go and always eat in that restaurant?? haha..

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On 2019-12-04 20:15:28Show this Author Only
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  • hatemore On 2019-12-04 13:54:26
  • as it show to the picture you recharge right?? but not that much?? then if you value your ingots and that event is not worth it to spin ingot then dont do it simple as that !! .. you kept on complaining here in forum with useless topic.. if you want to suggest go to suggest section not here in general discussion.. but as we can see of all you doing here is complaining for nonsense ... you kept on complaining but still do recharge?? what is that>? you dont like the taste of the foods but still you go and always eat in that restaurant?? haha..

Dude, stop embarrassing yourself. One moment you criticize him/her for not spending money and complaining and the next you're twisting the cat and criticizing for spending money and complaining. The only one who makes a fool out of himself is you. There's no point in having any civil conversation with you.

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On 2019-12-05 02:14:48Show this Author Only
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  • hatemore On 2019-12-04 13:54:26
  • as it show to the picture you recharge right?? but not that much?? then if you value your ingots and that event is not worth it to spin ingot then dont do it simple as that !! .. you kept on complaining here in forum with useless topic.. if you want to suggest go to suggest section not here in general discussion.. but as we can see of all you doing here is complaining for nonsense ... you kept on complaining but still do recharge?? what is that>? you dont like the taste of the foods but still you go and always eat in that restaurant?? haha..

umm.. you were quite pointless up there .How did you figure out from this picture that he is recharging because i can not figure out any such thing. And if you are saying it because of the ninjas he own, that might be because he saved some coupens for them or collected them for free frag by frag or got them from free from event like lucky wheel (because low powered have usually quite high chance of getting 80*frags from those events). So in conclusion if you have something valid to say then speak stop being pointless

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On 2019-12-05 07:24:12Show this Author Only
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Yup, just because i'm not "donating" money into the game doesn't mean i can't express my arguments for an underwhelming event. I'm not "blaming" or "complaining", simply questioning as to why nothing on there is "super cheap"




This post was last edited by Moon Lovers on 2019-12-05 07:39:10.
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On 2019-12-05 11:27:04Show this Author Only
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All i got to say is you are a 9 years old child who is not even bothered by his parents and you come crying here. Simply ATTENTION SEEKER. Go make some friends or find some work. Less then 6 months into game and you have started crying on forum, this is not the place for you. What you are doing is not gonna do any good. 2 months ago moderators tried to hold a voting here to convince devs not to release level 13 refinement and results were against level 13 refinement but guess what devs do not care about it they do what they consider should be done even though there is no level 13 refinement in cn. Most of the points you said up there are lame. There are just 3 ninjas for 3* bt and only 2 for 3* st that was just a decision for game because it was start of skill breakthrough. Then they wanted to make some money so now all bt are 4*. And why do you keep crying about "super cheap" event its an event only for spenders, of course game does give and they should give some advantage to spenders always, because they are the reason why game is still here, they are supporting game continue with money not crying babies like you. And if you can not afford these items or no one from your region consider spending for these that does not mean no one around 1400 servers spend for it, whales but what and when they consider is cheap. There are some events exclusive for spenders to encourage them to spend and get more useful items they need on cheaper prices. So stop crying here ask your parents for some milk and sleep. And go to your gl or customer service, if you got something serious to say about an event rather than just getting attention of other users and crying.

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