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  • Registered: 2017-07-24
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On 2019-10-12 18:40:18Show this Author OnlyDescending Order
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So... I was playing with kabuto sage in arena and a couple other battle areas and noticed that kabuto sage doesn't clear debuffs cast on him when he enters explosive mode. Can someone please explain to me why his immunity to debuffs is not true immunity?


"this unit is immune to Debuffs until the end of the round." (Shira skill) Means clear debuffs and makes immune to debuffs. (Han edo tensei works similarly)

whereas

"During explosive mode, Kabuto's Critical will increase by 45%, and he is immune to all debuffs." (Kabuto skill) Means only makes him immune to debuffs but doesn't clear them. By definition, you can't call anything immune if they have an effect on them.

Under what logic does immune to debuffs and immune to all debuffs change the fact that one unit can clear previously acquired debuffs and the other doesn't? They both acquire their immunity after using their mystery.

Immune to debuffs = Immune to all debuffs

Why it matters... Shira has blindness cast on him. Uses mystery and clears it and c*e his 4 attacks.
Kabuto has blindness cast on him. Uses mystery and can't attack or revive a unit.

This is actually even worse with ignition since kabuto doesn't receive heal when a unit dies then.


I have tried getting an answer via the customer support and they directed me here. Any help would be greatly appreciated!

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On 2019-10-13 02:43:05Show this Author Only
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i would probably judge that since the immunity is more of a switch that just flips on due to gaining explosive mode rather then the actual immune to debuffs buff it probably just isnt working right due to the coding overlooking it.

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On 2019-10-13 03:17:23Show this Author Only
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  • Namidairo On 2019-10-13 02:43:05
  • i would probably judge that since the immunity is more of a switch that just flips on due to gaining explosive mode rather then the actual immune to debuffs buff it probably just isnt working right due to the coding overlooking it.

Thank you for the reply! I hope what you responded with is the problem and it gets corrected. I originally sent a form in saying it was bugged, but they adamantly said that it wasn't which is why I didn't post this in the bug topic section. I hope this gets looked at further. I know kabuto sage isn't meta breaking...but I ended up pulling him and find his skillset unique and just hope for him to function properly.

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On 2019-10-13 11:51:49Show this Author Only
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I noticed this today, and it is clearly a bug, because other ninja who gain immunity upon action, clear previous debuffs. This is even true of things like root of warrior

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On 2019-10-14 03:41:12Show this Author Only
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I just posted in the official bug thread with the issue since I am not sure they have checked this thread. Hopefully they will truly resolve this problem. Thank you again for the replies!

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On 2019-10-14 03:59:05Show this Author Only
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  • Mielekki On 2019-10-14 03:41:12
  • I just posted in the official bug thread with the issue since I am not sure they have checked this thread. Hopefully they will truly resolve this problem. Thank you again for the replies!

That is where you should had posted it to begin with.

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On 2019-10-14 09:30:30Show this Author Only
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  • Rom Reckt On 2019-10-14 03:59:05
  • That is where you should had posted it to begin with.

If you read the third comment... I had already contacted customer support about this issue and they stated it wasn't a bug and to seek help on this forum. Seeing as other players agree with my conclusion that it is a bug and no one has come up with any other logical explanation with why it isn't functioning like it should has led me to report it a second time.

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On 2019-10-15 10:10:46Show this Author Only
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  • Mielekki On 2019-10-14 09:30:30
  • If you read the third comment... I had already contacted customer support about this issue and they stated it wasn't a bug and to seek help on this forum. Seeing as other players agree with my conclusion that it is a bug and no one has come up with any other logical explanation with why it isn't functioning like it should has led me to report it a second time.

In my experience sage kabuto is pretty terrible. From what you are saying in this forum, he is worse than i expected.

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On 2019-10-15 20:25:12Show this Author Only
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  • John Calvin On 2019-10-15 10:10:46
  • In my experience sage kabuto is pretty terrible. From what you are saying in this forum, he is worse than i expected.

He is not very versatile and conisdering the meta of sosp and skill broke kakuzu...it is difficult to be competitive with him. However, kabuto sage has a lot of potential. In my mind, I see him like a 3* kakuzu. Doesn't truly shine until 4* with trials. Imagine if he got skill trials that made his mystery unmissable like shizuka and revived a unit for more health. Maybe he could have mystery cool down if he combos his standard allowing for him to be immune every round but would require you to have no dead units which is a serious downside. They would make him viable. I would like to say that I know someone is looking into this "bug" as well so that is also a positive note.




This post was last edited by Mielekki on 2019-10-15 20:44:41.
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On 2019-10-15 21:05:52Show this Author Only
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  • Mielekki On 2019-10-14 09:30:30
  • If you read the third comment... I had already contacted customer support about this issue and they stated it wasn't a bug and to seek help on this forum. Seeing as other players agree with my conclusion that it is a bug and no one has come up with any other logical explanation with why it isn't functioning like it should has led me to report it a second time.

it doesnt clear the debuffs he's having before u mys but he wont get any debuffs after u mys.

that's how his immunity works.

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On 2019-10-15 21:20:29Show this Author Only
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  • YujinTakara On 2019-10-15 21:05:52
  • it doesnt clear the debuffs he's having before u mys but he wont get any debuffs after u mys.

    that's how his immunity works.

Exactly! That begs the question, why is his immunity different from 4* shira, edo tensei Han, and lightning mains? based on skill description and how all of the other immunities work... He should clear them as well. Hence, why I called it "knock off" immunity since it isn't like the rest.

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