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An Open Letter to Oasis Part 2

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On 2019-09-19 10:35:15Show this Author Only
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  • Liez07 On 2019-09-19 09:48:52
  • Dear Daisuke,

    I will provide solutions instead to solve this. I believe this issue can be solved while everyone is happy.

    Solutions:

    Increase the claimable amount of advance refinement rune on space time. Make it 10 per day.

    Increase the claimable amount of advance refine on group shop as well. Make it 5 per day.

    Remove advance refine from SUN shop and replace it with epic refine. Transferred the Advancee refine rune from SUN SHOP to MOON SHOP with price of 600 moon scrolls each. Make it claimable 20 per day.

    In a week a player can get up to 80k moon scrolls so that will be 133 advance refine per week.

    Space time 10 per day will be 70 advance refine per week.

    Group Shop 5 per day making it 35 advance refine per week.

    In total a player can make 238 advance refine runes per month on this features alone. In two to three months someone can level 10 their refine runes in 1 slot no problem.

    I know you are a business by doing this you will not lose the business of advance refine while making the player base happy.

    Looking forward to your coherent response.

As previously mentioned, we plan to implement this feature in a way so players won't have problems to obtain new refines or upgrade their refines. It will be a long process since not everything can be done in one week/event cycle but we will make sure to monitor the situation after maintenance.


I will note all of your suggestions and share it with rest of the development team and we will see what we can do. Thank you for the feedback~

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On 2019-09-19 10:55:00Show this Author Only
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  • Daiske On 2019-09-19 10:31:30
  • I agree, we should have clearly stated such information in the thread, mistake learned.


    It is hard for us to decide such thing because what can we do? Strip mods of their powers so they can post it and then give it back to them? That would not work since they need to monitor forum. Or let some newly created account post it? Everyone would think it is a troll or just random person not worth their time. Next time we let moderators post unofficial surveys/polls, we will make sure to clearly state that it is not official one. We apologize for the confusion and all the chaos this whole situation caused.

you had 2 years to learn from, what have u been doing then, what have u learned? clearly you're dishonest and didnt learn anything, look at where we are now, all this coulda been avoided.

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On 2019-09-19 10:59:03Show this Author Only
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  • Liez07 On 2019-09-19 10:33:20
  • Dear Daisuke,

    I will provide solutions instead to solve this. I believe this issue can be solved while everyone is happy.

    Solutions:

    Increase the claimable amount of advance refinement rune on space time. Make it 10 per day.

    Increase the claimable amount of advance refine on group shop as well. Make it 5 per day.

    Remove advance refine from SUN shop and replace it with epic refine. Transferred the Advancee refine rune from SUN SHOP to MOON SHOP with price of 600 moon scrolls each. Make it claimable 20 per day.

    In a week a player can get up to 80k moon scrolls so that will be 133 advance refine per week.

    Space time 10 per day will be 70 advance refine per week.

    Group Shop 5 per day making it 35 advance refine per week.

    In total a player can make 238 advance refine runes per month on this features alone. In two to three months someone can level 10 their refine runes in 1 slot no problem.

    I know you are a business by doing this you will not lose the business of advance refine while making the player base happy.

    Looking forward to your coherent response.

I would love to see this implemented, but don't get your hopes up. Group shop previously had x5 (10 total) refines daily and it was nerfed to 1 (2 a day) without notice might I add. If there is an increase don't expect it to be as good as you think. Probably 2 from space time and 4 from group shop.

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On 2019-09-19 11:00:31Show this Author Only
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  • Liez07 On 2019-09-19 09:48:52
  • Dear Daisuke,

    I will provide solutions instead to solve this. I believe this issue can be solved while everyone is happy.

    Solutions:

    Increase the claimable amount of advance refinement rune on space time. Make it 10 per day.

    Increase the claimable amount of advance refine on group shop as well. Make it 5 per day.

    Remove advance refine from SUN shop and replace it with epic refine. Transferred the Advancee refine rune from SUN SHOP to MOON SHOP with price of 600 moon scrolls each. Make it claimable 20 per day.

    In a week a player can get up to 80k moon scrolls so that will be 133 advance refine per week.

    Space time 10 per day will be 70 advance refine per week.

    Group Shop 5 per day making it 35 advance refine per week.

    In total a player can make 238 advance refine runes per month on this features alone. In two to three months someone can level 10 their refine runes in 1 slot no problem.

    I know you are a business by doing this you will not lose the business of advance refine while making the player base happy.

    Looking forward to your coherent response.

I actually had a very similar idea from the one you posted. ^-^ Thanks for posting yours! Let's hope that feedback can be taken seriously and will get implemented, even in part!

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On 2019-09-19 11:11:46Show this Author Only
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  • Daiske On 2019-09-19 10:31:30
  • I agree, we should have clearly stated such information in the thread, mistake learned.


    It is hard for us to decide such thing because what can we do? Strip mods of their powers so they can post it and then give it back to them? That would not work since they need to monitor forum. Or let some newly created account post it? Everyone would think it is a troll or just random person not worth their time. Next time we let moderators post unofficial surveys/polls, we will make sure to clearly state that it is not official one. We apologize for the confusion and all the chaos this whole situation caused.

What you can do, is be honest from the beginning. If you stated in the thread "This may not have any impact in the decision making".

That's it, there wasn't any excuse not to say it.

Though, if that was posted, you may had probably got less responses than you did. I also want to point out this was posted in the NO Community server

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Which really didn't help matters as players were lead to believe our feedback was going to influence this update..

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On 2019-09-19 11:35:37Show this Author Only
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  • RenjiAsuka On 2019-09-19 11:11:46
  • What you can do, is be honest from the beginning. If you stated in the thread "This may not have any impact in the decision making".

    That's it, there wasn't any excuse not to say it.

    Though, if that was posted, you may had probably got less responses than you did. I also want to point out this was posted in the NO Community server

    Stuff

    Which really didn't help matters as players were lead to believe our feedback was going to influence this update..

i only participated once in those "surveys" as i didnt believe any of our feedback was taken into account really, such as cross sage, rune stones, and now with refinements.

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On 2019-09-19 12:42:50Show this Author Only
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4 * for breakthrough ninjas "Even Edo Hashirama btw"

lvl 14 runes.

and now lvl 13 refines

Yes "WE ARE DIFFERENT FROM CN"

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On 2019-09-19 14:06:21Show this Author Only
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  • Daiske On 2019-09-19 07:49:06
  • We usually announce if survey has any impact on our decision-making or if it is official. This time, there were no words from us except that one comment from me. To explain that comment - while it is true that this survey was not official, we still wanted it to be as realistic as possible (that is why it was allowed to be posted on forum) and I also wanted to help mods so they do not have to to go trough a lot of hate comments (not only comments via survey but also comments in thread were getting out of hand and forum rules are here for a reason). My comment in no context should be considered as making this survey as something official or this survey having any impact on our decisions.


    We did one survey regarding this update in the past, therefore, we don't think there was need for another survey.

How about answering any of my other questions? So far all We can see is thay yo only post things to either clear yourself out of this mess/justify the update, or to just keep assuring us that 'you do care about our opinion' and 'our feedback is always heard and taken into consideration'.


Smoke and mirrors.


Could you provide me with at least 3 times our feedback was actually taken into consideration? Or our voices were heard? Just 3 specific examples for 3 years of the game. And no, you cannot consider Tsunade NPC as she's just a husk of her true shell she should be and nothing like we were asking for, so she doesn't count (and I think everyone will agree)

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On 2019-09-19 15:35:48Show this Author Only
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One of the biggest whales in our server told he's done with recharging after seeing what was done to the game. And I doubt he he'll be only one.

Oasis had choice of 2 things to do:

1) Keep things similar as they are, but keep making updates to keep game relevant. This way recharges would keep happening normally. Income=normal.

2) Push PTW content and pos 1 updates, so only most heavy whales keep recharging. This way low/mid/heavy-but-not-whales spenders and some of the whales would stop recharging, because there's no more point. Income=drops.

It seems we all saw what option Oasis did. And choice of doing things like china and push more FTP and low spender content to keep high playerbase and tempt FTP into low spenders and get income from large number of players instead of only few didn't even come to their mind, because "We're different from China".

Instead of doing base minimum to keep game on, they now have to work hard to keep players/get more players/make old players return. Well, it's their choice and so are their consequences. Seeing news of so many whales quitting/stopping recharging should have been enough of a warning of what not to do, but they did it anyway...

Edit: One of the things Oasis could have done is keep avd refines in group shop at 10/day. That way more people could have gotten lv10 refines by now and backlash for epic refines would have been lower. Instead they were nerfed to 2/day and that caused even less players to have refines needed for epics. No wonder backlashes for refines were so big at both times. No surprise there. Current game gives impression of quick cash-in instead of a game we should stay in and keep spending on. Good luck fixing situation you created. Instead of working smart, you decided to work hard.




This post was last edited by TobiragoOda on 2019-09-19 15:51:49.
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On 2019-09-19 16:36:25Show this Author Only
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I am a super whale also and i would like that this refinement issue wont go that quietly.

what i want to say that as many whales commented... for us it is a hobby so we can afford what we spend in the game, but also we are not morons to be driven to spend in things we do not like.

This company is playing on the desire of competition between whales, which is the only thing that drive us to recharge.

So as a F2P you could make a discord group for each region. inviting all the whales in, which by the way easy to know who are the heavy spenders in each server by just looking at bp. I will be more than happy to stop spending if other whales in my region will do the same.

Bottom line is no mega whales will stop paying unless they see its a unanimous decision.

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On 2019-09-19 17:02:49Show this Author Only
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Cant wait Super epic refine level 13-16. Playerbase enjoy it and waiting for 5 years ago. THIS TIME IS LIT.

We also need game version 9.0 Oh my gosh, my heart like stop shaking!

All my position ninja has full refine and runes, I just got stuck level 850 on Ninja Exam. Almost reach 4 Billion battle Power , We ALMOST TAKE DOWN CN server !!

What are you waiting for.

Oasis so kindly as company also, they give us Madara Uchiha [Taisho Period] as daily sign on JULY 2040. I like got *


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On 2019-09-19 17:15:30Show this Author Only
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On 2019-09-19 17:18:37Show this Author Only
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hi. im happy to throw money for this useless company. you are f2p should stfu and just kneel to me because ...why not ?

so good job oasis for ignoring these noob opinion and actually update the game . u are a model company that we should be proud off. if every company run like you ive no doubt that google/apple etc will be a better company following ur example.


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On 2019-09-19 17:32:07Show this Author Only
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The only downfall of this feature is that promotes that so called "position 1 meta" which is not even the features fault because the player base created it in their wish to compete between each other blindly. So these features aren't wrong in their implementations at all except %tactics.




This post was last edited by cretude on 2019-09-19 17:34:22.
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On 2019-09-19 17:35:13Show this Author Only
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No one ever told you from this company to be fair altogheter to stack move 1. Is a choice player base made and the features has little to no doing in this decision making.




This post was last edited by cretude on 2019-09-19 17:36:08.
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On 2019-09-19 17:35:52Show this Author Only
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I'ma be up front I drop just like 200+ on this game a month just for froggy, monthly and the rare time for jonin medal (expiring takes abit) and with all this mojo jojo I might plan to stop spending just for you guys f2p and small spenders can make changes ya really wanna help the game sometimes I agree with ya and sometimes I don't but of late ya been speaking facts

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  • Apathy On 2019-09-19 12:42:50
  • 4 * for breakthrough ninjas "Even Edo Hashirama btw"

    lvl 14 runes.

    and now lvl 13 refines

    Yes "WE ARE DIFFERENT FROM CN"

we event different from germany who is also run by oasis. All skillbreak on DE server are 3*

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On 2019-09-19 19:00:03Show this Author Only
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  • cretude On 2019-09-19 17:32:07
  • The only downfall of this feature is that promotes that so called "position 1 meta" which is not even the features fault because the player base created it in their wish to compete between each other blindly. So these features aren't wrong in their implementations at all except %tactics.

I'd suggest you to think from a gaming perspective, regarding the community, arena,.... Come back when you've realized that you are wrong in almost every way out there. A simple hint if i may *they are rushing something that majority of community cant even tap in yet* So neglecting the low, mid, semy heavy players, and only targeting super whales... in short that's called greed, and quite frankly a * idea to start with, the gap is alredy there and what you wish to pu* even further.... when will people learn to use logic.... Community does not thrive on big players, it thrives on the fact that it's balanced, and somewhat capable to do it on it's own(solo friendly), without spending a bag of cash.

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On 2019-09-19 20:43:04Show this Author Only
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only missing % tactics now guys, u can do it

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On 2019-09-19 21:07:46Show this Author Only
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  • Qv On 2019-09-19 01:36:01
  • Hello!


    Rest assured that every response will be treated equally. If we see one who replies something that contains foul/inappropriate words and/or replies that violates Forum's Rules, it will be penalized accordingly to what we've said.

tell that to Jib, at some point he/she was deleting everything i would say and got suspended from posting/commenting on forum for no reason, i mean for "inciting drama" , but ofc no one would know actually what was deleted...

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