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On 2018-12-29 09:29:13Show this Author OnlyDescending Order
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Why do my breakthroughs not always work in this mode. And i was just fighting against a lightning main who was resetting his mystery off nothing every single turn. He was not killing anything an was able to use chidori every single turn. While also having his breakthroughs work while my kurani was not doing her breakthrough skills. 3 different battles I used her in her breakthroughs never worked. In the first battle she glowed with the lightning around her. In the last two the lightning wasn't even there.

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On 2018-12-29 09:36:23Show this Author Only
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Zenith is about an even battleground. So it would be unfair if someone who has nearly all the breakthroughs goes against someone who has barely any. And so, only a few ninjas will have breakthroughs in the game mode.

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On 2018-12-29 10:49:30Show this Author Only
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  • HolotheWiseWolf On 2018-12-29 09:36:23
  • Zenith is about an even battleground. So it would be unfair if someone who has nearly all the breakthroughs goes against someone who has barely any. And so, only a few ninjas will have breakthroughs in the game mode.

lets say 'even' is not exactly the best word to say it.

why?

while it's true the ninjas you and your enemy can choose among is the same, is not true at all how good they would fit in with your main character.

would be fair if they let you choose your main after you saw what ninjas are there, but since they don't let us do it then is not 'even', it's just based on luck with 2 mains (wind and water) generally advantaged over the others and 1 main (fire) that depending on the ninjas appearing there may be ultra op or wholly useless (if gnw ino/ino swimsuit, itachi susano'o and shisui are there you are god, otherwise you are doomed), while, on the other hand, earth and lightning main are always subpar regardless the pull of ninjas, because they simply do not work with low points ninjas lineups (if you go in with them you should have some kind of advantage, like getting 10 more choosing points, or sure 3 rounds of initiative or start by default from 2-0 on your side, to actually be on even grounds with water or wind mains).




This post was last edited by Garv on 2018-12-29 10:55:05.
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On 2018-12-29 11:09:36Show this Author Only
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  • Garv On 2018-12-29 10:49:30
  • lets say 'even' is not exactly the best word to say it.

    why?

    while it's true the ninjas you and your enemy can choose among is the same, is not true at all how good they would fit in with your main character.

    would be fair if they let you choose your main after you saw what ninjas are there, but since they don't let us do it then is not 'even', it's just based on luck with 2 mains (wind and water) generally advantaged over the others and 1 main (fire) that depending on the ninjas appearing there may be ultra op or wholly useless (if gnw ino/ino swimsuit, itachi susano'o and shisui are there you are god, otherwise you are doomed), while, on the other hand, earth and lightning main are always subpar regardless the pull of ninjas, because they simply do not work with low points ninjas lineups (if you go in with them you should have some kind of advantage, like getting 10 more choosing points, or sure 3 rounds of initiative or start by default from 2-0 on your side, to actually be on even grounds with water or wind mains).

No, even is the correct word. The term you are using is balanced. Which, in the video game connotation, they have different meanings. Even meaning you are given the same, exact tools and balanced being that both teams are fair.


You're not even comparing the lineups given to you but base your reasoning behind the main you are when you start zenith. And to be completely honest, the only main that you should never use is Earth main. I've been beaten by fire mains and lightning mains before if the other person knew what they were doing even if they didnt have a sword lineup every single round. (Lightning main was run by Oppai).


And fire lineups can be just as devastating if a person is running a sleep standard and positions it accordingly.

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On 2018-12-29 22:38:58Show this Author Only
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Zenith is just RNG battle, face it , you get random ninja to choose , and random initivative , sometime you move 1st 3x, sometime only 2x, sometime enemy move 1st twice in row, and you're not even take elemental weakness into this. earth main getting match up with lightning main is never fair , since lightning will have bonus damage agaist earth. Zenith is just battle of LUCK.

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On 2018-12-29 22:46:28Show this Author Only
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  • etrana On 2018-12-29 22:38:58
  • Zenith is just RNG battle, face it , you get random ninja to choose , and random initivative , sometime you move 1st 3x, sometime only 2x, sometime enemy move 1st twice in row, and you're not even take elemental weakness into this. earth main getting match up with lightning main is never fair , since lightning will have bonus damage agaist earth. Zenith is just battle of LUCK.

Zenith is not RNG Battle WTF.

You choose same ninjas as your opponent

You have 3* initiative if you choose the lowest ninja points. Not RNG wtf. You choose susanoo itachi? your problem. It's not RNG.

Earth sux in zenith, not our problem if you play with him in "arena like" mode. You can swap mains when you want.


I love all dat people who said Zenith is pure luck and RNG. Many of them are just bad in making team in short period of time. It's just the fairest event. Whales, low spenders, f2p : SAME RULES.

You loose ? you bad. That's all.

(for elemental damage bonus : lighting main is the worst, since everyone who is decent at this game don't play earth main in zenith.

Wind mains are everywhere, do fire main OP in zenith? no. Stop searching excuses)




This post was last edited by Thibs on 2018-12-29 22:56:27.
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On 2018-12-29 23:04:25Show this Author Only
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  • Thibs On 2018-12-29 22:46:28
  • Zenith is not RNG Battle WTF.

    You choose same ninjas as your opponent

    You have 3* initiative if you choose the lowest ninja points. Not RNG wtf. You choose susanoo itachi? your problem. It's not RNG.

    Earth sux in zenith, not our problem if you play with him in "arena like" mode. You can swap mains when you want.


    I love all dat people who said Zenith is pure luck and RNG. Many of them are just bad in making team in short period of time. It's just the fairest event. Whales, low spenders, f2p : SAME RULES.

    You loose ? you bad. That's all.

    (for elemental damage bonus : lighting main is the worst, since everyone who is decent at this game don't play earth main in zenith.

    Wind mains are everywhere, do fire main OP in zenith? no. Stop searching excuses)

Shh don't let them do their own research, makes it easier to win in zenith. You don't know how many times I won in zenith due to this reason, especially when you see the water mains that try to use the shark teams when they clearly don't have the initiative....




This post was last edited by Danzō on 2018-12-29 23:06:00.
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On 2018-12-30 01:44:57Show this Author Only
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Are you sure you picked the "complete" Kurenai? Even if you have her skillbroken, if the ninja list does not display her as "complete" then sh will just be a standard Kurenai without breakthroughs. My only guess to why you saw lightning in the first round around her was most likely due to you activating your mystery and you thought that she was skillbroken.

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On 2018-12-30 21:03:06Show this Author Only
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  • SSirus On 2018-12-30 01:44:57
  • Are you sure you picked the "complete" Kurenai? Even if you have her skillbroken, if the ninja list does not display her as "complete" then sh will just be a standard Kurenai without breakthroughs. My only guess to why you saw lightning in the first round around her was most likely due to you activating your mystery and you thought that she was skillbroken.

Where does it say complete I was not aware of there being any difference. I thought once i had them skill broke thats how they would appear. You are the only one that has brought up a real reason for this to happen so thanks for that

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  • Lycan Von Wolf On 2018-12-30 21:03:06
  • Where does it say complete I was not aware of there being any difference. I thought once i had them skill broke thats how they would appear. You are the only one that has brought up a real reason for this to happen so thanks for that

In Zenith, your completed skillbooks are not counted for so both you and your opponent is on the same playing field in terms of choosing ninjas. When you decide to choose which ninjas to choose from, "Complete" will be in yellow and will be beside a ninja's name and it will be random. So for example, one match you can have sasuke completely skillbroken and lee won't be and the other match sasuke won't be completed and lee can be. If you still don't understand, go search zenith on youtube as it will clearly show what I'm trying to point out.




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On 2018-12-30 23:53:30Show this Author Only
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  • Lycan Von Wolf On 2018-12-30 21:03:06
  • Where does it say complete I was not aware of there being any difference. I thought once i had them skill broke thats how they would appear. You are the only one that has brought up a real reason for this to happen so thanks for that

since zenith is meant to give neither player an advantage, the ninjas you are given within zenith are in no way related to the ninjas that you have outside this game mode. same goes for summons.


whether your ninjas are skillbroken outside the game will not affect the ninja in zenith. like danzo said, you need to see the word "complete" in zenith if the ninja is fully skillbroken. similarly for summons: in zenith you are allowed all summons, regardless of whether you've recruited them outside zenith or not.

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On 2018-12-31 00:52:51Show this Author Only
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  • Thibs On 2018-12-29 22:46:28
  • Zenith is not RNG Battle WTF.

    You choose same ninjas as your opponent

    You have 3* initiative if you choose the lowest ninja points. Not RNG wtf. You choose susanoo itachi? your problem. It's not RNG.

    Earth sux in zenith, not our problem if you play with him in "arena like" mode. You can swap mains when you want.


    I love all dat people who said Zenith is pure luck and RNG. Many of them are just bad in making team in short period of time. It's just the fairest event. Whales, low spenders, f2p : SAME RULES.

    You loose ? you bad. That's all.

    (for elemental damage bonus : lighting main is the worst, since everyone who is decent at this game don't play earth main in zenith.

    Wind mains are everywhere, do fire main OP in zenith? no. Stop searching excuses)

buff or barrier work only on spesific ninja, its not picking "good ninja" in a short time, its picking the ninja thats work with the main you're using, and the ninja they give is RANDOM, you know RANDOM ?? the R in RNG ?? how in the hell you still say its not RNG ??
earth main and lightning main have ninja they can work with, but given the fact the ninja that available in Zenith is random, make them cant fully utilize their buff, and that make Zenith RNG battle , where you hoping to get a ninja you can work with the main you're using OR where you hoping the enemy dont have ninja they can work with too.


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On 2018-12-31 01:24:10Show this Author Only
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  • etrana On 2018-12-31 00:52:51
  • buff or barrier work only on spesific ninja, its not picking "good ninja" in a short time, its picking the ninja thats work with the main you're using, and the ninja they give is RANDOM, you know RANDOM ?? the R in RNG ?? how in the hell you still say its not RNG ??
    earth main and lightning main have ninja they can work with, but given the fact the ninja that available in Zenith is random, make them cant fully utilize their buff, and that make Zenith RNG battle , where you hoping to get a ninja you can work with the main you're using OR where you hoping the enemy dont have ninja they can work with too.


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