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[ PVP ] shisui 1 vs. 2, AG k + EG k

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On 2018-10-17 04:38:41Show this Author Only
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im just here reading the drama ~

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On 2018-10-17 09:55:19Show this Author Only
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  • selyl On 2018-10-16 23:42:42
  • 1st round : shisui dodge agk's standard attack. But gets hit by mystery of earth grudge kakuzu egk. And also gets hit by egk's standard attack. shisui attacks with standard attack.



    2nd round : agk mystery lands on shisui but standard attack dodged by shisui. shisui uses mystery on egk. shisui attacks.


    3rd round : shisui dodges agk standard attack , agk n egk gets hit by shisui. egk in coma, cant heal.


    do I need to go on? agk will die first by ignite. egk will forever be in coma by shisui koto. 3 rd cd, 2 rd chaos



    I can make 2 main fighting by themselves at bottom row without bothering the 3 of them. fire sleep vs. lightning calm mind.

First, main character will always bother 3 of them since shisui hits 2 units, so chances are that main character on AGK + EGK side will get hit.

Second, I will show you a better case of the fight.

1st round: Kakuzu uses mystery and does standard attack, shisui dodges it. Shisui attacks. Agk combos and chases, shisui gets immobile.

2nd round: Shisui is immobile. Kon*es mystery(has 20% nin buff and tag). Kakuzu attacks, shisui dodges it. Konan combos and chase again, mystery cd is now 2 rounds instead of 3.

3rd round: base on my knowledge about debuff, I'm pretty sure Shisui is still immobile at this round, but I still need experienced players to confirm this. Kakuzu attacks, Shisui dodges, Konan combos and chases again. Now she has mystery (2 round cd on 2nd round reduced by 1 when moving to 3rd round, then reduced by 1 due to combo), of course she will use it (40% nin buff and tag)

4th round: Barrier is gone, Shisui is free. He wants to use mystery on Kakuzu, but Kakuzu says "Nope". Shisui gets interupted by Kakuzu mystery. The battle goes on, Shisui keeps getting controlled by Konan.

Here you go. You just need to practice using them and a bit of luck in the fight. And if you're owning both AGK+EGK, I'll assume that you have enough resource (coupons) to get materials to increase initiative. The rest depends on your skills, if you can't win, don't blame the game or other people, blame yourself because you're not good enough (or you're so unlucky).

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On 2018-10-17 13:20:44Show this Author Only
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  • HiddenBoss On 2018-10-17 09:55:19
  • First, main character will always bother 3 of them since shisui hits 2 units, so chances are that main character on AGK + EGK side will get hit.

    Second, I will show you a better case of the fight.

    1st round: Kakuzu uses mystery and does standard attack, shisui dodges it. Shisui attacks. Agk combos and chases, shisui gets immobile.

    2nd round: Shisui is immobile. Kon*es mystery(has 20% nin buff and tag). Kakuzu attacks, shisui dodges it. Konan combos and chase again, mystery cd is now 2 rounds instead of 3.

    3rd round: base on my knowledge about debuff, I'm pretty sure Shisui is still immobile at this round, but I still need experienced players to confirm this. Kakuzu attacks, Shisui dodges, Konan combos and chases again. Now she has mystery (2 round cd on 2nd round reduced by 1 when moving to 3rd round, then reduced by 1 due to combo), of course she will use it (40% nin buff and tag)

    4th round: Barrier is gone, Shisui is free. He wants to use mystery on Kakuzu, but Kakuzu says "Nope". Shisui gets interupted by Kakuzu mystery. The battle goes on, Shisui keeps getting controlled by Konan.

    Here you go. You just need to practice using them and a bit of luck in the fight. And if you're owning both AGK+EGK, I'll assume that you have enough resource (coupons) to get materials to increase initiative. The rest depends on your skills, if you can't win, don't blame the game or other people, blame yourself because you're not good enough (or you're so unlucky).

so you need 3 ninjas to beat one shisui ? hahaha.


Yup, That's about right. lool.

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On 2018-10-17 14:14:11Show this Author Only
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  • selyl On 2018-10-17 13:20:44
  • so you need 3 ninjas to beat one shisui ? hahaha.


    Yup, That's about right. lool.

No, it's a 1v2 fight between Shisui and AGK+EGK, leaving out main character because they will ruin the fight. Of course, it's a theory only since we haven't got no-main arena yet. Where in my reply did you see the 3rd ninja? And the only reason that I made this unfair match is to prove that Shisui alone does not always win against AGK+EGK as you said, sometimes he wins, sometimes he loses. The same for all ninjas in this game. Just accept that fact. Also, if you feel that you can never win shisui in a 1v2 fight with AGK+EGK, I would suggest normal neji (3 star) + kurenai. Finally, I just want to remind you that you still have 2 more options for ninjas to counter Shisui lineup (whole lineup, not Shisui only). Pick your ninjas and choose talents wisely.

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On 2018-10-17 14:36:28Show this Author Only
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Lets see if shisui can still win AGk and EGk outside arena. I bet shisui shall be 1 shotted in AGk alone.

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On 2018-10-17 14:41:37Show this Author Only
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  • HiddenBoss On 2018-10-17 14:14:11
  • No, it's a 1v2 fight between Shisui and AGK+EGK, leaving out main character because they will ruin the fight. Of course, it's a theory only since we haven't got no-main arena yet. Where in my reply did you see the 3rd ninja? And the only reason that I made this unfair match is to prove that Shisui alone does not always win against AGK+EGK as you said, sometimes he wins, sometimes he loses. The same for all ninjas in this game. Just accept that fact. Also, if you feel that you can never win shisui in a 1v2 fight with AGK+EGK, I would suggest normal neji (3 star) + kurenai. Finally, I just want to remind you that you still have 2 more options for ninjas to counter Shisui lineup (whole lineup, not Shisui only). Pick your ninjas and choose talents wisely.

I guess you don't have Agk to know that...….she need help to immobile ninja.

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On 2018-10-17 14:48:37Show this Author Only
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  • selyl On 2018-10-17 14:41:37
  • I guess you don't have Agk to know that...….she need help to immobile ninja.

Yes, I don't have agk. But she can cause knockdown with standard attack and apply immobile through the chase by herself.

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On 2018-10-17 14:52:02Show this Author Only
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  • Oujingbing On 2018-10-17 14:36:28
  • Lets see if shisui can still win AGk and EGk outside arena. I bet shisui shall be 1 shotted in AGk alone.

cutie, I can tell you that you will be surprised at her damage......especially when opponent have 100% resistance ROW. You will be scratching him, which shisui koto will do more dmg to poor konan with ignite.


You think I came here to say something wo thinking through first?


Whatever happens in arena should reflect what happens outside. Unless opponent make mistakes you will follow arena. We are obviously talking about same power. Only main difference is the treasure tools n ability scrolls you use in which this case there is no variation. LM shisui will still win no matter what you do.

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On 2018-10-17 14:54:22Show this Author Only
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  • HiddenBoss On 2018-10-17 14:48:37
  • Yes, I don't have agk. But she can cause knockdown with standard attack and apply immobile through the chase by herself.

you typed so much you forgot shisui dodge

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On 2018-10-17 14:59:05Show this Author Only
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  • selyl On 2018-10-17 14:54:22
  • you typed so much you forgot shisui dodge

That's why I put Kakuzu at pos1, to bait Shisui's dodge. Do you even read my reply? You put Konan at pos1, Kakuzu at pos2, which results in Shisui dodging all Konan standard attacks and finally, you get a lose (maybe). I did the opposite. Putting Kakuzu at pos1 to bait Shisui's dodge, so Konan can combo and immobile Shisui. By that way, I have higher chance to win.

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On 2018-10-17 15:06:23Show this Author Only
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what happens if Agk didn't trigger immobile? You think it's high chance? Nah. You want to immobile hoping it trigger every round? That's really optimistic.


So let's say if it trigger by chance , are you telling me I should spend a much higher cost ninjas to bet on luck to win much lower cost ninja? That sounds about right too




This post was last edited by selyl on 2018-10-17 15:08:26.
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On 2018-10-17 15:13:54Show this Author Only
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I love how he answered almost every replies but doesn't respond to mine images

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On 2018-10-17 15:16:25Show this Author Only
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  • selyl On 2018-10-17 15:06:23
  • what happens if Agk didn't trigger immobile? You think it's high chance? Nah. You want to immobile hoping it trigger every round? That's really optimistic.


    So let's say if it trigger by chance , are you telling me I should spend a much higher cost ninjas to bet on luck to win much lower cost ninja? That sounds about right too

In my case, I assume she will triggers combo. Just like what you did in your case, you assume that Shisui can chaos Kakuzu with his mystery. What if Shisui got a "control failed" on Kakuzu? A battle can grow in many different ways that no one can predict. You choose a way where Shisui wins AGK+EGK and say he will always win. I choose a way where Shisui loses AGK+EGK and say you're wrong.

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On 2018-10-17 15:22:36Show this Author Only
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lmao .


Even if I indulge you , what do you think will happen 9 out of 10 battles? shisui koto fail? I played like 100 rounds in arena in recent months I cannot remember if I seen that. lool.

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On 2018-10-17 15:35:25Show this Author Only
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  • selyl On 2018-10-17 15:22:36
  • lmao .


    Even if I indulge you , what do you think will happen 9 out of 10 battles? shisui koto fail? I played like 100 rounds in arena in recent months I cannot remember if I seen that. lool.

The fact that it doesn't happen in 100 rounds doesn't mean that it never happens. Even if its probability is only 1/1000000000000, it still happens at some points. Btw, I want to ask you one question: Do you admit that sometimes Shisui will lose to AGK+EGK (in my case particularly) ?

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On 2018-10-17 15:40:37Show this Author Only
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  • MrXct On 2018-10-17 03:04:34
  • I'll just assume you are trolling because nothing you said makes sense. I'm gonna reply anyway, I am so bored now.

    1. She was nerf bcs op? like, what do you mean? ... what this got to do with girls in china? since this is global version.

    2. Your 2nd paragraph is just ugh ... Learn to understand that no one forced you anything, no one forced you to spend anything, no one forced you to get agk/egk. You just basically said "make the ninja I own become stronger", with sugarcoat.

    3. You either don't understand what balance means or never played the games you mentioned. Would be nice to see what aspect of this game you think have to be changed to make it balanced. Well I doubt you'll answer anyway.


    ....

    So, I ask you:

    1. What was the ninja's condition when 1v2 happened, like how many health left.

    2. What's your lineup?

    3. What's your enemy's lineup?

ok I will reply u then, lool


qns

1. She was nerf bcs op? like, what do you mean? ... what this got to do with girls in china? since this is global version.

2. Your 2nd paragraph is just ugh ... Learn to understand that no one forced you anything, no one forced you to spend anything, no one forced you to get agk/egk. You just basically said "make the ninja I own become stronger", with sugarcoat.

3. You either don't understand what balance means or never played the games you mentioned. Would be nice to see what aspect of this game you think have to be changed to make it balanced. Well I doubt you'll answer anyway.


Ans,

1. It's a culture of china you got to understand. You mean you dk we follow their patch?

2. So getting both of them for 35k, I cant feedback when I lost to 12k, - 23k coupon - difference which takes at least half a year to save and a huge amount even for spenders, what is the point of this game? You need to ask yourself to understand.

3. Well , that is exactly where you are wrong , cuz I do have solutions. And for now I will type only 2.


a.) shisui koto should be 4 round cd. Perma chaos with dodge + attack 2 unit + ignite 2 unit? The only thing short from a Saiyan is that shisui cant fly. (Seiyl 2018)


b.) EGK heal should bypass ignite. If you reattach limbs, you should always gain some health. He is a monster in the anime but hes like a little chicken in this game which his mystery cannot even kill a 3/4 life clone, EVEN with konan buff in arena. What happens when the buff is over? Don't make me laugh. Few times he cant kill a ninja with little life left with his mystery I bet the opponent is laughing.

He cost too much to be too useless.




This post was last edited by selyl on 2018-10-17 16:06:16.
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On 2018-10-17 15:47:30Show this Author Only
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Shisui should be nerfed. Not someone like killer bee.

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On 2018-10-17 16:28:56Show this Author Only
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  • HiddenBoss On 2018-10-17 15:16:25
  • In my case, I assume she will triggers combo. Just like what you did in your case, you assume that Shisui can chaos Kakuzu with his mystery. What if Shisui got a "control failed" on Kakuzu? A battle can grow in many different ways that no one can predict. You choose a way where Shisui wins AGK+EGK and say he will always win. I choose a way where Shisui loses AGK+EGK and say you're wrong.

The way I seen in CN server and lot of youtubes, it seems kakuzu mystery is hitting through dodge ninjas so of course his mystery only. Lets say kakuZu position 1 is faster then every mystery cast by shisui will be interupted. Can someone confirm kakuzu mystery able to hit through dodge ninja? Maybe its part of his skillbreak, dont have kakuzu so I cant tell.

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On 2018-10-17 16:34:30Show this Author Only
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  • Oujingbing On 2018-10-17 16:28:56
  • The way I seen in CN server and lot of youtubes, it seems kakuzu mystery is hitting through dodge ninjas so of course his mystery only. Lets say kakuZu position 1 is faster then every mystery cast by shisui will be interupted. Can someone confirm kakuzu mystery able to hit through dodge ninja? Maybe its part of his skillbreak, dont have kakuzu so I cant tell.

Yes, Kakuzu mystery hits through dodge even without breakthrough.

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On 2018-10-17 16:34:32Show this Author Only
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In the future when we have kakuzu skillbreak, kakuzu seems to have high chance standard attack and his passive heals and removes all debuffs plus get another standard attack to 2 random akatsuki , chase to paralysis all and scale much stronger than AGk (EGk scales ninjutsu increase per mana and 2% defense per mana) So even shisui has dodge if 1v2 in future then kakuzu and Konan can attack twice and kakuzu as combo starter to get konan chase immobile.




This post was last edited by Oujingbing on 2018-10-17 16:36:42.
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