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I'm using Minato jonin (bond)- Obito Jikukan (Mad 5ks) - Fire main - Kurenai for a while now, and when the opponent got hit by the combo, the debuffs are in this order: tag, paralize, acupunture, chaos, ignite, poison. But when i face water cancer, I target the main, and after gakido attacks and sailor sakura (now cloak) heals (they doesn't have their mys that round), water main can chase again.

So I wonder how the priority of the debuff cleanse works, which makes me test all of them and I come up with this board. (I simplify down to 2 debuffs)

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What I notice is like this: when you got slow and acu, acu clears first (acu > slow), sleep and acu, sleep clears first (sleep>acu), which should means sleep>slow... but when i tested it, slow is cleared first (on both cases, affected 1st or 2nd), I tested for a few times and still same result, and there's more like it...

So am I doing it wrong or the debuffs are intentionally made to be cleared like that?

*When I scroll through the "Cause status" tab in "Ninja", Dream appears, so I just put it in, hoping it's Itachi Edotensei's mys... yea I waited so long for him xD

*Update (Oct 9th): My friend Kuebiko sums up our test and comes up with a *cough* scientific *cough* result. See the thread here.




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I only know the order of debuffs for controlling debuffs.

First priotiry is accupuncture and blind.(They're on the same priority so the one applied last will be removed first)

2nd priority is all complete controls which are chaos, immobile, and sleep(they all override each other) and paralysis.

I think there used to be a list of all debuff clearing priorities on this forum but it's most likely outdated.




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Hi! That is a lot of work you did there and it is actually quite good xD

I will try my best to explain how debuffs work. So one of the ways to better understand buffs is to rank them.


Rank 1: Paralysis and Slow

Rank 2: Acupuncture and Blindness

Rank 3: Immobile, Chaos, and Sleeping

Rank 4: Lower Resistance and Defense

Rank 5: Ignite and Poison

Rank 6: Imprison and Tag


Rules

Rule 1: Debuff of a higher rank (For example: Rank 1 is higher than Rank 2) will be removed first (if the cleanse used does not remove all the debuffs at once).

Ex.: If Paralysis and Acupuncture was applied, Paralysis will be removed first.


Rule 2: If you have debuffs of the same Rank, for example Immobile and Sleeping, the debuff that was applied on the ninja last will be removed first.

Ex.: If Paralysis is applied and then Slow, Slow will be removed first.

Think of it as layers of an onion or toppings on a pizza, you gotta remove the top layer before you can remove the bottom layer (easily anyways, probably can find some obscure way to bypass this xD).


Rule 3: Debuffs that are reapplied will not change the order of which it was applied first.

Ex.: If Poison was applied and then Ignite, and then Poison again. Ignite will still be removed first.


Rule 4: Chaos and Immobile cannot co-exist from Rank 3 cannot co-exist.

Ex.: if Immobile was applied and then Chaos, Immobile will be removed.


~Jib


Hopefully that helps. This is a great example of how the community can come together into better understanding things like debuffs =p Keep up the great work!


Credits to this guide.




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  • Jiburiru On 2018-10-08 22:17:11
  • Hi! That is a lot of work you did there and it is actually quite good xD

    I will try my best to explain how debuffs work. So one of the ways to better understand buffs is to rank them.


    Rank 1: Paralysis and Slow

    Rank 2: Acupuncture and Blindness

    Rank 3: Immobile, Chaos, and Sleeping

    Rank 4: Lower Resistance and Defense

    Rank 5: Ignite and Poison

    Rank 6: Imprison and Tag


    Rules

    Rule 1: Debuff of a higher rank (For example: Rank 1 is higher than Rank 2) will be removed first (if the cleanse used does not remove all the debuffs at once).

    Ex.: If Paralysis and Acupuncture was applied, Paralysis will be removed first.


    Rule 2: If you have debuffs of the same Rank, for example Immobile and Sleeping, the debuff that was applied on the ninja last will be removed first.

    Ex.: If Paralysis is applied and then Slow, Slow will be removed first.

    Think of it as layers of an onion or toppings on a pizza, you gotta remove the top layer before you can remove the bottom layer (easily anyways, probably can find some obscure way to bypass this xD).


    Rule 3: Debuffs that are reapplied will not change the order of which it was applied first.

    Ex.: If Poison was applied and then Ignite, and then Poison again. Ignite will still be removed first.


    Rule 4: Chaos and Immobile cannot co-exist from Rank 3 cannot co-exist.

    Ex.: if Immobile was applied and then Chaos, Immobile will be removed.


    ~Jib


    Hopefully that helps. This is a great example of how the community can come together into better understanding things like debuffs =p Keep up the great work!


    Credits to this guide.

I have an advanced question in regards to the ordering of debuffs applied.

Scenario is Jounin Minato, with 3-in-1 Mystery + Azure Fang Poison Tai.

Which debuff gets applied first... Poison, Tag or Paralysis?

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  • Jiburiru On 2018-10-08 22:17:11
  • Hi! That is a lot of work you did there and it is actually quite good xD

    I will try my best to explain how debuffs work. So one of the ways to better understand buffs is to rank them.


    Rank 1: Paralysis and Slow

    Rank 2: Acupuncture and Blindness

    Rank 3: Immobile, Chaos, and Sleeping

    Rank 4: Lower Resistance and Defense

    Rank 5: Ignite and Poison

    Rank 6: Imprison and Tag


    Rules

    Rule 1: Debuff of a higher rank (For example: Rank 1 is higher than Rank 2) will be removed first (if the cleanse used does not remove all the debuffs at once).

    Ex.: If Paralysis and Acupuncture was applied, Paralysis will be removed first.


    Rule 2: If you have debuffs of the same Rank, for example Immobile and Sleeping, the debuff that was applied on the ninja last will be removed first.

    Ex.: If Paralysis is applied and then Slow, Slow will be removed first.

    Think of it as layers of an onion or toppings on a pizza, you gotta remove the top layer before you can remove the bottom layer (easily anyways, probably can find some obscure way to bypass this xD).


    Rule 3: Debuffs that are reapplied will not change the order of which it was applied first.

    Ex.: If Poison was applied and then Ignite, and then Poison again. Ignite will still be removed first.


    Rule 4: Chaos and Immobile cannot co-exist from Rank 3 cannot co-exist.

    Ex.: if Immobile was applied and then Chaos, Immobile will be removed.


    ~Jib


    Hopefully that helps. This is a great example of how the community can come together into better understanding things like debuffs =p Keep up the great work!


    Credits to this guide.

Oh i understand now... tks a lot!!! <3

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  • Dresq On 2018-10-08 22:54:49
  • I have an advanced question in regards to the ordering of debuffs applied.

    Scenario is Jounin Minato, with 3-in-1 Mystery + Azure Fang Poison Tai.

    Which debuff gets applied first... Poison, Tag or Paralysis?

when 3-in-1 mys get triggered, tag will be applied 1st, then paralize, but since u got poison tai, poison maybe applied first because the dmg u cause is taijutsu. But paralize will be cleared first because it's at a higher rank.

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gg i was going to check my list against yours y u go post first -3-


there's still some discrepancies between our lists i hope to check. *cough*slow-acu*cough* (this seems to be an error on my part tbh, but i'll repeat that data set like...later...in the distant future...once i'm done with the rest of the debuffs lol)


funny thing btw, despite your ranking list @jib, immobile and slow seem to be on the same tier. when i'm clearing 1 layer of debuffs, the last debuff applied (between slow and immobile) gets removed first. u can a'lso see this in yujin's list. again for both our lists, blindness was cleared before slow (in the case where blindness is applied after slow) even though you've ranked blindness to be a lower priority clear than slow.


add: immobile and paralysis are definitely on the same tier.


also a fun fact i noticed while testing: there are only 3 ninjas capable of casting prompt round 1 chaos. itachi susanoo, ino swimsuit, and aoneko XD




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  • Kuebiko On 2018-10-08 23:46:22
  • gg i was going to check my list against yours y u go post first -3-


    there's still some discrepancies between our lists i hope to check. *cough*slow-acu*cough* (this seems to be an error on my part tbh, but i'll repeat that data set like...later...in the distant future...once i'm done with the rest of the debuffs lol)


    funny thing btw, despite your ranking list @jib, immobile and slow seem to be on the same tier. when i'm clearing 1 layer of debuffs, the last debuff applied (between slow and immobile) gets removed first. u can a'lso see this in yujin's list. again for both our lists, blindness was cleared before slow (in the case where blindness is applied after slow) even though you've ranked blindness to be a lower priority clear than slow.


    add: immobile and paralysis are definitely on the same tier.


    also a fun fact i noticed while testing: there are only 3 ninjas capable of casting prompt round 1 chaos. itachi susanoo, ino swimsuit, and aoneko XD

There's my friends xD
someone has to post it hahaha xD

Yes it's true, I test it again and blindness still got cleared first.

and *cough* who uses slow anyway lol ? *cough*

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  • YujinTakara On 2018-10-08 23:59:21
  • There's my friends xD
    someone has to post it hahaha xD

    Yes it's true, I test it again and blindness still got cleared first.

    and *cough* who uses slow anyway lol ? *cough*

wait for meeeee


slow is an underrated debuff pls


i'll publish my list with yours as reference in a couple days time. gotta write a real scientific report with evidence and sources of error HAHAHA




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  • Dresq On 2018-10-08 22:54:49
  • I have an advanced question in regards to the ordering of debuffs applied.

    Scenario is Jounin Minato, with 3-in-1 Mystery + Azure Fang Poison Tai.

    Which debuff gets applied first... Poison, Tag or Paralysis?

Hi! Since Poison, Tag, and Paralysis are separate in Rank, the higher Rank will be removed first. So in this case, Paralysis will be removed, then poison, then Tag xD

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  • Kuebiko On 2018-10-08 23:46:22
  • gg i was going to check my list against yours y u go post first -3-


    there's still some discrepancies between our lists i hope to check. *cough*slow-acu*cough* (this seems to be an error on my part tbh, but i'll repeat that data set like...later...in the distant future...once i'm done with the rest of the debuffs lol)


    funny thing btw, despite your ranking list @jib, immobile and slow seem to be on the same tier. when i'm clearing 1 layer of debuffs, the last debuff applied (between slow and immobile) gets removed first. u can a'lso see this in yujin's list. again for both our lists, blindness was cleared before slow (in the case where blindness is applied after slow) even though you've ranked blindness to be a lower priority clear than slow.


    add: immobile and paralysis are definitely on the same tier.


    also a fun fact i noticed while testing: there are only 3 ninjas capable of casting prompt round 1 chaos. itachi susanoo, ino swimsuit, and aoneko XD

Oooh, would definitely have to check/test this theory myself. Thanks for pointing it out =] Will update if I find out anything.


~Jib

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  • Jiburiru On 2018-10-09 00:13:33
  • Oooh, would definitely have to check/test this theory myself. Thanks for pointing it out =] Will update if I find out anything.


    ~Jib

we previously searched for debuff tier lists but more often than not there were inaccuracies...so what better thing to do than to test it ourselves XD


go go test! more data hahahaha

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  • Jiburiru On 2018-10-09 00:12:49
  • Hi! Since Poison, Tag, and Paralysis are separate in Rank, the higher Rank will be removed first. So in this case, Paralysis will be removed, then poison, then Tag xD

Right, I know. Was meaning more in that if an attack applies multiple debuffs at the 'same time', how would they be ordered. Jounin Minato is a bad example I guess, as his applied debuffs are not the same rank. So lets ask a different way.


Nina XYZ uses Mystery. It applies Paralysis and because it has a Skill Experiment/Breakthrough/Bond, it also applies Slowness.

Would it be applying Paralysis first, as it is 'natural' to the skill, or would the newly added Slowness apply first?


Another scenario is Ramen Naruto and his standard attack, with Poison Tai. If he procs his combo, which is applied first, Ignition or Poison?




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  • Dresq On 2018-10-09 00:30:58
  • Right, I know. Was meaning more in that if an attack applies multiple debuffs at the 'same time', how would they be ordered. Jounin Minato is a bad example I guess, as his applied debuffs are not the same rank. So lets ask a different way.


    Nina XYZ uses Mystery. It applies Paralysis and because it has a Skill Experiment/Breakthrough/Bond, it also applies Slowness.

    Would it be applying Paralysis first, as it is 'natural' to the skill, or would the newly added Slowness apply first?


    Another scenario is Ramen Naruto and his standard attack, with Poison Tai. If he procs his combo, which is applied first, Ignition or Poison?

dres why don't u help us test hahaha

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  • Jiburiru On 2018-10-09 00:12:49
  • Hi! Since Poison, Tag, and Paralysis are separate in Rank, the higher Rank will be removed first. So in this case, Paralysis will be removed, then poison, then Tag xD

He wants to know which is applied first, not cleared first hahaha xD

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  • Dresq On 2018-10-09 00:30:58
  • Right, I know. Was meaning more in that if an attack applies multiple debuffs at the 'same time', how would they be ordered. Jounin Minato is a bad example I guess, as his applied debuffs are not the same rank. So lets ask a different way.


    Nina XYZ uses Mystery. It applies Paralysis and because it has a Skill Experiment/Breakthrough/Bond, it also applies Slowness.

    Would it be applying Paralysis first, as it is 'natural' to the skill, or would the newly added Slowness apply first?


    Another scenario is Ramen Naruto and his standard attack, with Poison Tai. If he procs his combo, which is applied first, Ignition or Poison?

Hi! After some testing, it seems that if Ignite was applied say by using Naruto [Nine Tails Chakra] and you had Azure Fang's Poison Tai, Poison Tai gets removed first. I believe it may be due to the fact that Poison Tai is a passive of Azure Fang and technically applied second when Naruto [Nine Tails Chakra] attacked, as Naruto [Nine Tails Chakra]'s Standard Attack causes Ignition.


However, in order to better answer you, I believe it would be better if you give us an actual scenario or example to test, rather than a hypothetical one.


Hope that helps!


~Jib

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I think the debuffs order it's the same method as any other games with interaction of character A and B

A Ability (whatever debuff) > A Passive > B Passive > A items

In Naruto Online case

Mystery (whatever debuff) > Chase (passive) > Passive from Main.

Jonin Minato case

Mystery (tag) > New Passive (Paralyse) > Main Passive (Poison Tai).

It's pretty obvious what will hit first by description of each Ninja.

Another example when you use Neurotoxin and Poison Tai. Neurotoxin applies first by passive order.

It's obvious when u vs a reflect ninjas, neurotoxin got reflected first, but poison tai applies




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  • Kuebiko On 2018-10-09 00:05:45
  • wait for meeeee


    slow is an underrated debuff pls


    i'll publish my list with yours as reference in a couple days time. gotta write a real scientific report with evidence and sources of error HAHAHA

My pleasure...

and... just take your time... i'll wait xD

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Used to be as you said jib, but I've used for too long the ay3rd meta to know that is not anymore true. Right now paralysis and the hard controlling debuffs are on the same tier. Happens too many time to see immobile removed while paralysis stay.


P. S. Immobile, sleep and chaos are mutually exclusive. If you apply sleep on a target immobilized then immobile gets removed and substituted by sleep, so if an enemy wake you up you don't go back being immobilized.




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  • Scarlettblue On 2018-10-09 17:07:41
  • Used to be as you said jib, but I've used for too long the ay3rd meta to know that is not anymore true. Right now paralysis and the hard controlling debuffs are on the same tier. Happens too many time to see immobile removed while paralysis stay.


    P. S. Immobile, sleep and chaos are mutually exclusive. If you apply sleep on a target immobilized then immobile gets removed and substituted by sleep, so if an enemy wake you up you don't go back being immobilized.

sleep and immobile don't override each other.


sleep and chaos, immobile and chaos. these pairs will cancel out, but not sleep and immobile


you can actually test this out easily on kakashi, putting fire main at pos1, a tai-standard at pos2 and shikamaru in pos3. cast immobile on kakashi, allow your fire main to cast sleep after that. the pos2 tai standard will remove the sleep, but not the immobile.




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