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While zenith introduces a fun and strategic concept, I do not like it. It is not that I lose all the time, I don't. It's just that the wait is too long. It takes about 20 minutes to beat or lose to 1 person. Since it opened for the first time toda, I don't really have much to say about it, please let me know your opinions :)

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On 2018-09-27 09:04:12Show this Author Only
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how on earth do ppl have more ini than me. i dont get the system


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On 2018-09-27 09:07:11Show this Author Only
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  • Unknown6868 On 2018-09-27 09:04:12
  • how on earth do ppl have more ini than me. i dont get the system


There is no personal init. You either start with more or the other person does. Then you get a chance at having the higher init, and they have the lower init. Nothing you have on your account matters.




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On 2018-09-27 09:53:01Show this Author Only
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  • takosabi On 2018-09-27 09:07:11
  • There is no personal init. You either start with more or the other person does. Then you get a chance at having the higher init, and they have the lower init. Nothing you have on your account matters.

Exactly. This is why I think Zenith is fun. But yeah, 20-30 minutes per 1 match (total) is kinda meh.




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On 2018-09-27 10:33:18Show this Author Only
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  • Exvius On 2018-09-27 09:53:01
  • Exactly. This is why I think Zenith is fun. But yeah, 20-30 minutes per 1 match (total) is kinda meh.

to me that is why it isn't fun. it also makes me question y i spend money if systems where the money is worthless keep coming out. want to buy a ninja? dont bother u cant use it anyway. want to buy power, dont bother u cant keep it anyway.


i would prefer if we at least got to select from a pool of ninjas we actualy have even if it was a smaller pool, but when i use vanilla sasuke and the one i own is better than the one the system gives me it kinda *s, it also means there is 0 reason for me to skillbook ninjas since if it has books i'm not using it normaly and i cant use it here. and if a player doesnt have enough ninjas to fill the pool then give them some options for free, i don't mind, but don't override my good versions of ninjas with bad ones.

i would also like for our init to matter like it does in arena. that way some of the money i spent has value in here.


tldr: i like the concept of making us use ninjas we normaly wouldnt, but i think it could have been implemented better.

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On 2018-09-27 10:56:08Show this Author Only
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  • Shadoblaze On 2018-09-27 10:33:18
  • to me that is why it isn't fun. it also makes me question y i spend money if systems where the money is worthless keep coming out. want to buy a ninja? dont bother u cant use it anyway. want to buy power, dont bother u cant keep it anyway.


    i would prefer if we at least got to select from a pool of ninjas we actualy have even if it was a smaller pool, but when i use vanilla sasuke and the one i own is better than the one the system gives me it kinda *s, it also means there is 0 reason for me to skillbook ninjas since if it has books i'm not using it normaly and i cant use it here. and if a player doesnt have enough ninjas to fill the pool then give them some options for free, i don't mind, but don't override my good versions of ninjas with bad ones.

    i would also like for our init to matter like it does in arena. that way some of the money i spent has value in here.


    tldr: i like the concept of making us use ninjas we normaly wouldnt, but i think it could have been implemented better.

I believe the pool is there to allow people to be on a equal playing field, just like how initiative is not counted. It's kind of not fair to be matched with someone who played this game for 2 years vs. someone under 2 months without limitations. What should determine a win in this feature is being able to create lineups and how well it fights with others. It takes skill to instantly create lineups that work and create a gameplay to get a win with a short amount of prep time. Not everything should be determined by how much you are spending. If you want events to be determined by how much you invested, don't worry as there are more to come.




This post was last edited by Danzō on 2018-09-27 11:06:23.
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On 2018-09-27 11:14:07Show this Author Only
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Zenith has such long matchtimes because it is very strict. You will always always be matched with someone with the same wins as you. The entire event is meant to be as fair as possible.

You only get 8 opportunities to fight total. You are supposed to divide up your fights in Zenith however you wish within the 4 days given. You are not meant to try and cram 4 fights into one day.

Good luck on everybody's fights tomorrow.

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On 2018-09-27 11:21:21Show this Author Only
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So far the only bad thing I have to say is having this overlap as the same time as GNW is terrible. It pretty much removes at least an hour from the only 3 hours you get. With it overlapping on Wed and Saturday, you are easily losing 2 hours or more. Depending on how many war round you end up in.




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On 2018-09-27 11:29:06Show this Author Only
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  • takosabi On 2018-09-27 11:21:21
  • So far the only bad thing I have to say is having this overlap as the same time as GNW is terrible. It pretty much removes at least an hour from the only 3 hours you get. With it overlapping on Wed and Saturday, you are easily losing 2 hours or more. Depending on how many war round you end up in.

this exactly.


not just gnw, but for the other evening events. 6pm-9pm is a pretty hectic time. we have 2 rounds of gnw, sage world, nine tails, spacetime battles, cat quiz...and then dailies (TI, convoy) on top of that. it doesnt leave a lot of time for players to do zenith.


the set up is very fair, and it's a nice mode (if stressful) to battle, but the event timing i feel needs to be extended.

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On 2018-09-27 12:34:47Show this Author Only
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It’s a nice concept. F2P always complains that p2w always have the advantage, well this is the one event where this isn’t true. It’s fair, it’s strategic and an overall great event that rewards people who are actually good at the game. I agree with the time frame though. 6-9 is pretty hectic, Something like 6-12 like DB would be better imo




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On 2018-09-27 13:10:54Show this Author Only
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  • Shadoblaze On 2018-09-27 10:33:18
  • to me that is why it isn't fun. it also makes me question y i spend money if systems where the money is worthless keep coming out. want to buy a ninja? dont bother u cant use it anyway. want to buy power, dont bother u cant keep it anyway.


    i would prefer if we at least got to select from a pool of ninjas we actualy have even if it was a smaller pool, but when i use vanilla sasuke and the one i own is better than the one the system gives me it kinda *s, it also means there is 0 reason for me to skillbook ninjas since if it has books i'm not using it normaly and i cant use it here. and if a player doesnt have enough ninjas to fill the pool then give them some options for free, i don't mind, but don't override my good versions of ninjas with bad ones.

    i would also like for our init to matter like it does in arena. that way some of the money i spent has value in here.


    tldr: i like the concept of making us use ninjas we normaly wouldnt, but i think it could have been implemented better.

This is just one mode of the game- there are plenty in which you can flex with all your money and win- and will be more. This one is to check how well you c*e your knowledge about game and strategy to come up with good teams. Problem is when someone see spending money as only way to win anything in this game.


You can't use your OP ninjas? Uhm, sorry bruh- but your opponent can't either- and you are given exactly same versions of ninjas to choose from and the same way nothing from your account, as power, matter anything in here. It's just FAIR.


And also this- I agree in 100% that time of event is not so great. It collide way too much with other events, even if we have just 8 tries in total- it might be problematic for some players t schedule them.



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On 2018-09-27 13:11:47Show this Author Only
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  • Kuebiko On 2018-09-27 11:29:06
  • this exactly.


    not just gnw, but for the other evening events. 6pm-9pm is a pretty hectic time. we have 2 rounds of gnw, sage world, nine tails, spacetime battles, cat quiz...and then dailies (TI, convoy) on top of that. it doesnt leave a lot of time for players to do zenith.


    the set up is very fair, and it's a nice mode (if stressful) to battle, but the event timing i feel needs to be extended.

Yeah tomorrow will be way worse with other events like sage and cat quiz, you pretty much have to skip those or you lose over an hour. Everything else so far seems pretty good.




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On 2018-09-27 13:27:01Show this Author Only
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  • Unknown6868 On 2018-09-27 09:04:12
  • how on earth do ppl have more ini than me. i dont get the system


In team creation mode you will see "you go first" on your side or the opponents side. You first 2 or 3 times in the bo5.

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On 2018-09-27 14:44:01Show this Author Only
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Its the best game mode to date. No questions asked. It gives all players equal leverage. Doesn't matter if you have 100k power or 300k power, you can win through strategy. And this is what the game should be like. Not to mention... SWEET COUPONS. (btw, this is coming from a 3 month p2w and 20 month f2p player.)


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On 2018-09-27 20:00:56Show this Author Only
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  • takosabi On 2018-09-27 11:21:21
  • So far the only bad thing I have to say is having this overlap as the same time as GNW is terrible. It pretty much removes at least an hour from the only 3 hours you get. With it overlapping on Wed and Saturday, you are easily losing 2 hours or more. Depending on how many war round you end up in.

I agree. I could only do one last night because of GNW. Plus I don't like the feature of losing your ninjas when you win. Shouldn't it be the other way around?

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On 2018-09-27 20:22:19Show this Author Only
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  • annubisqueen On 2018-09-27 20:00:56
  • I agree. I could only do one last night because of GNW. Plus I don't like the feature of losing your ninjas when you win. Shouldn't it be the other way around?

It is this way so you can't just go with "op" team, by spending points on just the best ones and win all fights. Whole idea is to make all the 3 teams good enough to win with them.

And to know when to do the tactical retreat ;)




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On 2018-09-27 20:42:15Show this Author Only
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zenithWhy i cant enter zenith? it just popup "wait global". I do anything wrong or there is some other rules?




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On 2018-09-27 20:43:32Show this Author Only
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Two things.


1) This game comes from Tencent, CN. If you don't know, there are strict rules on how much time people could stay online. This is the main reason why most events are scheduled during the 19-21, instead of all around the day.


2) The main reason why people believe that bonds and matsuri are tr@sh events is due to bad matchmaking. The real problem is that matchmaking isn't actually *that* bad, but with so much time to join the chance that you could met people around your level are actually lower the higher your power is. As a 270k power, i finish matsuri in about 5-8 minutes. This meant that there is little to no chance to met other whales, along those 150? 210? minutes.

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On 2018-09-27 20:46:34Show this Author Only
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  • Shadoblaze On 2018-09-27 10:33:18
  • to me that is why it isn't fun. it also makes me question y i spend money if systems where the money is worthless keep coming out. want to buy a ninja? dont bother u cant use it anyway. want to buy power, dont bother u cant keep it anyway.


    i would prefer if we at least got to select from a pool of ninjas we actualy have even if it was a smaller pool, but when i use vanilla sasuke and the one i own is better than the one the system gives me it kinda *s, it also means there is 0 reason for me to skillbook ninjas since if it has books i'm not using it normaly and i cant use it here. and if a player doesnt have enough ninjas to fill the pool then give them some options for free, i don't mind, but don't override my good versions of ninjas with bad ones.

    i would also like for our init to matter like it does in arena. that way some of the money i spent has value in here.


    tldr: i like the concept of making us use ninjas we normaly wouldnt, but i think it could have been implemented better.

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On 2018-09-27 21:10:09Show this Author Only
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zenith seems like a great mode. but perhaps it is too fair lol. this makes each match so long. which casues the main gripe, that is, the lack of time to play it.

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