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I've come to realize that many ppl don't know how useful *t is, not just for themselves but for their servers. This is in particular aimed at players 1-3 months into the game.

Ofc, using *t to 'cheat', such as beating your alt in sage, using them as spies, or spamming messages at ppl is illegal and/or frowned upon. That is NOT what I'm proposing.

The best use of alts is to plunder them, instead of actual players. Not only do you save a LOT of time by not having to wait for a convoy, you also avoid antagonizing people.

This is a problem in servers with low activity(which is most servers), where the top 10 plunders usually end up plundering the same low-mid level players over and over again. This results in a) people all moving to the strongest group to avoid plunderers, which results in stagnation (no competition), boring GNW, and eventual server death, or b) simply quitting the game. After all, its not fun when convoys are your main source of coupons and you lose almost 50% of it every day to top 10 guys... I'm told the annoyance is especially severe when the victims are f2p's and their plunderers are spenders. The net result is existing mid-powers end up pissed and quit, while newly rising powers become the new targets, and the cycle repeats. Even those who continue to play are hampered; you can get 40 x 2 x 30 = 2400 cpns/month from 2 SS convoys/day, but if you're plundered on both you lose 15 cpns each time, total of 15x2x30 = 900 lost cpns. That's a week's worth of total coupons lost every month. Only the top few players play long-term in this case.

Unfortunately, by the time most new players realize this, they are already lvl 80+. At that point, levelling up *t to their level takes a lot of time, so most don't bother and keep plundering players. One alternative is to receive a mid-level account from somebody who has quit the game.

I hope this post helps the newer servers retain more activity.

If you disagree with my post, feel free to comment and explain why.




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Plundering your own alt is absolutely pathetic.

The reason why Servers die from day1 and why a lot of lower and mid power leave, is not the 900 cps. It's the whole design of the game. Non-spenders are getting slaughtered everywhere. In Sage, in Matsuri, in decisive Bonds, in GNW and also during plundering. Getting path of sixth sage, to play in Zenith? Good luck with that 4 months into a server with your f2p ninjas!

All they can beat is PvE-Content - which nobody ever called his favorite activity in NO -

Don't get me wrong. Alts are wonderful. If you use them to send yourself missions, go on Wanted Missions etc. It's a utility to many things, but not a solution to the dying servers (which btw. is so by design and an issue which every Browser MMORPG knows).




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i thought using alternate/duplicate accounts to plunder was against the rules?

on one of the servers I use to play on a group leader had over 20+ alt/dup accounts to help out his dying group. i never thought much of it until I saw he wasn't giving other group members who participated in GNW packs. instead he started giving his alt/dup accounts packs. i messaged the group leader and never got a reply back, so I quit and tried to join the other active group on the server. in the end i quit playing on the server due to this issue.





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On 2018-09-18 08:19:41Show this Author Only
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  • Pupsiiiii On 2018-09-18 04:47:03
  • Plundering your own alt is absolutely pathetic.

    The reason why Servers die from day1 and why a lot of lower and mid power leave, is not the 900 cps. It's the whole design of the game. Non-spenders are getting slaughtered everywhere. In Sage, in Matsuri, in decisive Bonds, in GNW and also during plundering. Getting path of sixth sage, to play in Zenith? Good luck with that 4 months into a server with your f2p ninjas!

    All they can beat is PvE-Content - which nobody ever called his favorite activity in NO -

    Don't get me wrong. Alts are wonderful. If you use them to send yourself missions, go on Wanted Missions etc. It's a utility to many things, but not a solution to the dying servers (which btw. is so by design and an issue which every Browser MMORPG knows).

I'm not saying being plundered is the only reason, ofc its not. But it certainly doesn't help.

And how is plundering your own alt pathetic? I'd much prefer a server where all the top guys are plundering their alts instead of picking on people lower power than them.

And sure, non-spenders are getting slaughtered. But it is still possible for a f2p to win, especially if they level freeze. To do so, f2p's need all the cpns they can get, and in that situation the 900 cpns actually start mattering; its over 10k cpns in a year after all, that's the difference b/w having a meta ninja and not having one. Your approach is just to give up on the game entirely, my approach is making it somewhat better for the f2p's to play.

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  • Xev On 2018-09-18 07:14:07
  • i thought using alternate/duplicate accounts to plunder was against the rules?

    on one of the servers I use to play on a group leader had over 20+ alt/dup accounts to help out his dying group. i never thought much of it until I saw he wasn't giving other group members who participated in GNW packs. instead he started giving his alt/dup accounts packs. i messaged the group leader and never got a reply back, so I quit and tried to join the other active group on the server. in the end i quit playing on the server due to this issue.


I agree, that kind of use of alts is the thing i'm acknowledge at the beginning is illegal/frowned upon. And that group leader is frankly a moron for giving packs to his alts instead of active players.

And well, using alts in the same server is 'illegal', as is selling/buying (especially this).

However, Oasis doesn't really enforce the ban on alts; most high level players have access to at least one alt/account. Also being given an account by somebody else who leaves is a grey area i believe; Oasis won't help u if you lose an account b/c u gave the password out, but they don't really ban you either as far as i know.

Unless you literally go to them and tell them 'I have *t, my account name is *x. Are you gonna ban me?'... :)


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  • HuskyNO On 2018-09-18 08:23:07
  • I agree, that kind of use of alts is the thing i'm acknowledge at the beginning is illegal/frowned upon. And that group leader is frankly a moron for giving packs to his alts instead of active players.

    And well, using alts in the same server is 'illegal', as is selling/buying (especially this).

    However, Oasis doesn't really enforce the ban on alts; most high level players have access to at least one alt/account. Also being given an account by somebody else who leaves is a grey area i believe; Oasis won't help u if you lose an account b/c u gave the password out, but they don't really ban you either as far as i know.

    Unless you literally go to them and tell them 'I have *t, my account name is *x. Are you gonna ban me?'... :)


thanks for the info. it kind of makes me laugh that it is against the rules yet they don't enforce it. on the flip side though i can see how annoying it would be to get 1000's of people reporting daily for alternate/duplicate account use in servers. it does however give people give or take 1,500 coupons monthly, so i can see why people do it.

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wow this thread is going to get deleted XD


you said you weren't going to propose an illegal use of alts...and then you went to propose an illegal use of alts...wtf lol


also mods have already covered this, but having a 2nd account (that is, alts) on the same server isn't illegal. but if you use them to feed yourself, that's an illegal move.




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  • Kuebiko On 2018-09-18 10:32:50
  • wow this thread is going to get deleted XD


    you said you weren't going to propose an illegal use of alts...and then you went to propose an illegal use of alts...wtf lol


    also mods have already covered this, but having a 2nd account (that is, alts) on the same server isn't illegal. but if you use them to feed yourself, that's an illegal move.

in that case, what if you plunder somebody else's alt? and that person then plunders your alt? In that case you can't really prove you are feeding your own account with alts, you're plundering another 'person'. If you do it this way you should be fine.

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If you think plundering your alt is acceptable because you're not harming other players, then you could say the same about Sage World, you're benefiting yourself without hurting other players progress, and then you could say the same for Matsuri. Bottom line is, battling your alt is illegal. Just admit that you're not strong enough to plunder people and go back to doing convoys.

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On 2018-09-18 16:19:21Show this Author Only
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  • HuskyNO On 2018-09-18 11:46:41
  • in that case, what if you plunder somebody else's alt? and that person then plunders your alt? In that case you can't really prove you are feeding your own account with alts, you're plundering another 'person'. If you do it this way you should be fine.

Probably precisely why it isn't really enforced- you shouldn't do it, but they're not going to waste resource to go out & actively look for it.

They'd have to log IP for that account, and then scan through all the people who plundered it (assuming they even log that information, which I doubt), if that same person is using that account & being plundered by another account that also has that IP, then technically you could say "He's feeding his main".

It can get complicated though, how do you know that's not his brother on the same connection- what constitutes as actually feeding another player? Is the act of feeding a player illegal? What if I just actively plunder the same person everyday because we play at the same time? Is he feeding me? How do you know if it's intentional or not?

It's something you just can't really enforce & it being illegal is probably a formality.

Of course I can see this thread getting deleted quick.




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  • ExcaliZero On 2018-09-18 15:59:57
  • If you think plundering your alt is acceptable because you're not harming other players, then you could say the same about Sage World, you're benefiting yourself without hurting other players progress, and then you could say the same for Matsuri. Bottom line is, battling your alt is illegal. Just admit that you're not strong enough to plunder people and go back to doing convoys.

Its not just about 'not harming other players'; I'm proposing it b/c convoys and plunders happen to be one of the main sources of coupons, and consequently a big source of antagonism as well as power-suppression from the existing top powers.

What you say is true about sage and matsuri, but first off... good luck using alts to feed yourself in sage, there are just too many players there for that. And if it actually works, then that's probably a non-cross server sage with super low activity, in which case you kinda need alts to even have a sage.

Matsuri is nearly impossible to farm using alts, b/c the way its set up is you keep facing stronger players the more wins you get. The only way I see you feeding with *t is if there's nobody playing matsuri within your cross-server range, in which case... I'd say *t is rather justified. If there's no players for you to play against, then you might as well get the rewards.

And 'just admit that you're too weak to plunder and go back to convoys'? You're totally missing the point. My post was aimed at those players who are plenty strong enough to plunder; i'm just telling them to avoid plundering players if they can.


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  • DigitalRelease On 2018-09-18 16:19:21
  • Probably precisely why it isn't really enforced- you shouldn't do it, but they're not going to waste resource to go out & actively look for it.

    They'd have to log IP for that account, and then scan through all the people who plundered it (assuming they even log that information, which I doubt), if that same person is using that account & being plundered by another account that also has that IP, then technically you could say "He's feeding his main".

    It can get complicated though, how do you know that's not his brother on the same connection- what constitutes as actually feeding another player? Is the act of feeding a player illegal? What if I just actively plunder the same person everyday because we play at the same time? Is he feeding me? How do you know if it's intentional or not?

    It's something you just can't really enforce & it being illegal is probably a formality.

    Of course I can see this thread getting deleted quick.

haha indeed, I agree with your points.

And yeah, probably will be deleted. Still, ppl have seen it so i hope it helps some ppl at least.

Improving server activity is always worth it.

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  • HuskyNO On 2018-09-19 02:37:04
  • Its not just about 'not harming other players'; I'm proposing it b/c convoys and plunders happen to be one of the main sources of coupons, and consequently a big source of antagonism as well as power-suppression from the existing top powers.

    What you say is true about sage and matsuri, but first off... good luck using alts to feed yourself in sage, there are just too many players there for that. And if it actually works, then that's probably a non-cross server sage with super low activity, in which case you kinda need alts to even have a sage.

    Matsuri is nearly impossible to farm using alts, b/c the way its set up is you keep facing stronger players the more wins you get. The only way I see you feeding with *t is if there's nobody playing matsuri within your cross-server range, in which case... I'd say *t is rather justified. If there's no players for you to play against, then you might as well get the rewards.

    And 'just admit that you're too weak to plunder and go back to convoys'? You're totally missing the point. My post was aimed at those players who are plenty strong enough to plunder; i'm just telling them to avoid plundering players if they can.


Which is the illegal part of your suggestion. Alt themselves are not illegal, but using them to gain an unfair advantage is. It might not be strongly enforced but that doesn't make it a better move. The point on plunder is to force you to wait and pick wisely who you think you can beat, do they have support, can you beat them as well? That's why you get the better reward. You are gaining an unfair advantage of players that don't have the time to play multiple accounts.

I run multiple alts all in the same group, because at the time I started doing it, we didn't have enough activity for war or enough people to even have a decent battle. This is an acceptable usage for alt accounts. Purposely farming for plunder or sage is not cool.

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  • Takosabi On 2018-09-19 07:25:10
  • Which is the illegal part of your suggestion. Alt themselves are not illegal, but using them to gain an unfair advantage is. It might not be strongly enforced but that doesn't make it a better move. The point on plunder is to force you to wait and pick wisely who you think you can beat, do they have support, can you beat them as well? That's why you get the better reward. You are gaining an unfair advantage of players that don't have the time to play multiple accounts.

    I run multiple alts all in the same group, because at the time I started doing it, we didn't have enough activity for war or enough people to even have a decent battle. This is an acceptable usage for alt accounts. Purposely farming for plunder or sage is not cool.

wait so plundering alts gives an unfair advantage, but using alts to join GNW isn't?

what about the groups that don't use alts and then miss GNW, doesn't that mean you gain an unfair advantage over them?







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  • Xev On 2018-09-19 07:47:11
  • wait so plundering alts gives an unfair advantage, but using alts to join GNW isn't?

    what about the groups that don't use alts and then miss GNW, doesn't that mean you gain an unfair advantage over them?




How would it be an unfair advantage? Someone has to play the accounts to make them count for activity. How is that any different if it's me or you? If I have an account in your group, and you have one in mine, how is that any different if we had our own in our own group?

The accounts aren't being boosted. Which is what is illegal in pretty much any game. They have earned their activity rate. So how is there an advantage? Not to mention anyone can- always join another group, if they are truly a dead group that doesn't qualify. I kept a dying group alive to prevent the server from going down to a single active group because they couldn't get into the group that always won, and it kept getting poached of all it's higher level players. So lower level players could earn packs and the server would stay more active. Do you think that's an unfair advantage? You think it's fair that only 1 group always gets the packs and no one else does because they are lower level?




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  • Takosabi On 2018-09-19 08:08:50
  • How would it be an unfair advantage? Someone has to play the accounts to make them count for activity. How is that any different if it's me or you? If I have an account in your group, and you have one in mine, how is that any different if we had our own in our own group?

    The accounts aren't being boosted. Which is what is illegal in pretty much any game. They have earned their activity rate. So how is there an advantage? Not to mention anyone can- always join another group, if they are truly a dead group that doesn't qualify. I kept a dying group alive to prevent the server from going down to a single active group because they couldn't get into the group that always won, and it kept getting poached of all it's higher level players. So lower level players could earn packs and the server would stay more active. Do you think that's an unfair advantage? You think it's fair that only 1 group always gets the packs and no one else does because they are lower level?



the whole point of GNW is to gain GNW packs and the advantage they would get by spamming alts to boost their activity rate would be seal scrolls from those packs. what about the people who don't have the time to run multiple alternate accounts to boost their groups activity rate? i doubt anyone would make alternate accounts to help the activity rate of another group. bottom line is plundering alts to gain coupons is an unfair advantage and so is using alts to boost failing groups activity rate for the sole purpose of getting GNW packs which offer seal scrolls as prizes. last comment i'll make on this subject.


3 months of plundering an. alternate account would net you give or take 4,500 coupons.

3 months of using alts to boost activity rate to join GNW would net you give or take 120 seal scrolls.




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  • Xev On 2018-09-19 09:26:11


  • the whole point of GNW is to gain GNW packs and the advantage they would get by spamming alts to boost their activity rate would be seal scrolls from those packs. what about the people who don't have the time to run multiple alternate accounts to boost their groups activity rate? i doubt anyone would make alternate accounts to help the activity rate of another group. bottom line is plundering alts to gain coupons is an unfair advantage and so is using alts to boost failing groups activity rate for the sole purpose of getting GNW packs which offer seal scrolls as prizes. last comment i'll make on this subject.


    3 months of plundering an. alternate account would net you give or take 4,500 coupons.

    3 months of using alts to boost activity rate to join GNW would net you give or take 120 seal scrolls.

So helping an entire group of people, and accepting anyone from other groups that wanted to join in war but couldn't in their own group is bad. (After it got ripped apart by other groups for it's strong members.) Just as bad as boosting only yourself. Got it.

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quit.. merge.. repeat..

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  • IkezeAkamaru On 2018-09-19 11:21:10
  • quit.. merge.. repeat..

The problem with that was the main group on the server was full. So where do all the level 60-80 guys go? To another dead group? Don't they deserve to at least get some packs even if only Elite? It made more sense to just get the group to qualify and then attract any other people that couldn't get into that other group, making the alts irrelevant. But it was a necessary step to prevent the 1 server, 1 group, no GNW, problem that plagues so many other servers. But whatever, apparently I'm wrong for helping out other players. It's just as bad as people that farm their alts, only to help themselves. Next time I'll make sure to not carry a group for months at my own expense. Forget all the other players, if they don't make it, oh well. "They can just join another group."

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I believe Jib stated something like, alts by themselves are fine, but they are not ok if they benefit your main.

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