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On 2018-09-05 09:16:20Show this Author OnlyDescending Order
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do you guys know if Hashirama and Tobirama's skill breakthroughs that gives buffs to "permanent for entire battle" can be removed by guys like Han, Madara 5 Kage, Masked Man, Fire Main's mystery, Temari Swimsuit, Orochimaru Akatsuki, and other buff removing ninjas?

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On 2018-09-05 09:22:11Show this Author Only
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yes, they will remove senju brothers buffs easily

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On 2018-09-05 09:30:54Show this Author Only
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  • Raizel Di Cadiz On 2018-09-05 09:22:11
  • yes, they will remove senju brothers buffs easily

false. once broken through, said buffs are permanent. effects that remove buffs such as han or masked man only remove buffs that last for a certain number of rounds, such as root of warrior, or the element buffs each of the mains can do, etc.


note that this also means that scaling buffs such minato or roshi cannot be removed either

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On 2018-09-05 09:34:41Show this Author Only
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interesting. i havent really tested it and im scared to buy tobirama / hashirama frags to breakthrough (so im not sure if it's worth it).


i wonder what the other's thoughts are? or anyone from moderators know the answer to this so that it's official?

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On 2018-09-05 09:55:40Show this Author Only
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  • goalie720 On 2018-09-05 09:30:54
  • false. once broken through, said buffs are permanent. effects that remove buffs such as han or masked man only remove buffs that last for a certain number of rounds, such as root of warrior, or the element buffs each of the mains can do, etc.


    note that this also means that scaling buffs such minato or roshi cannot be removed either

ohh. , yeah , i forget this

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On 2018-09-05 09:56:49Show this Author Only
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  • B00BIT0 On 2018-09-05 09:34:41
  • interesting. i havent really tested it and im scared to buy tobirama / hashirama frags to breakthrough (so im not sure if it's worth it).


    i wonder what the other's thoughts are? or anyone from moderators know the answer to this so that it's official?

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  • Raizel Di Cadiz On 2018-09-05 09:56:49
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im still confused on how to interpret what they mean by "permanent"


if it is permanent, like Sakura Sailor buff, then i guess it can't be removed

but if they mean permanent for the rest of the fight (im interpreting this as a "i last 10 rounds"kind of buff), then isnt that time-based and therefore can be removed just like other time-based buffs e.g iruka buff and shields, edo hiruzen buff, etc.

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  • B00BIT0 On 2018-09-05 18:57:11
  • im still confused on how to interpret what they mean by "permanent"


    if it is permanent, like Sakura Sailor buff, then i guess it can't be removed

    but if they mean permanent for the rest of the fight (im interpreting this as a "i last 10 rounds"kind of buff), then isnt that time-based and therefore can be removed just like other time-based buffs e.g iruka buff and shields, edo hiruzen buff, etc.

Those "permament buffs" last as long as ninja is in the field. You could compare hashirama's ninja god+1 to fire/lightning main leech effect. Only way to remove this is to kill ninja that provides this aura.

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On 2018-09-05 19:50:17Show this Author Only
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  • B00BIT0 On 2018-09-05 18:57:11
  • im still confused on how to interpret what they mean by "permanent"


    if it is permanent, like Sakura Sailor buff, then i guess it can't be removed

    but if they mean permanent for the rest of the fight (im interpreting this as a "i last 10 rounds"kind of buff), then isnt that time-based and therefore can be removed just like other time-based buffs e.g iruka buff and shields, edo hiruzen buff, etc.

as what Zathroth say, those buffs or " aura" will remove when the ninja die, not a timed buff .

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On 2018-09-05 21:22:30Show this Author Only
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its not a permanent buff , its buff as long as hashi/tobirama lives , so , logicaly when han remove the buff , hashi/tobirama will buff again because they still live

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On 2018-09-06 10:14:10Show this Author Only
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got it - thanks guys!

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On 2018-09-06 10:18:20Show this Author Only
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  • etrana On 2018-09-05 21:22:30
  • its not a permanent buff , its buff as long as hashi/tobirama lives , so , logicaly when han remove the buff , hashi/tobirama will buff again because they still live

According to Jori's comment.

Hashi +1 buff still displays even if he dies.

Scroll down...

Ref : HERE

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On 2018-09-06 11:44:57Show this Author Only
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So Tobirama Senju (Edo Tensei) "God of Speed" buff stacking can not be removed by buff removing skill? Or can it?

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On 2018-09-06 11:59:32Show this Author Only
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  • King engine On 2018-09-06 11:44:57
  • So Tobirama Senju (Edo Tensei) "God of Speed" buff stacking can not be removed by buff removing skill? Or can it?

Scaling buffs like Tobirama Senju [Edo Tensei] and Roshi [Four-Tails Jinchuriki] cannot be removed by buff removing like Han ..

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  • Broken Screen On 2018-09-06 10:18:20
  • According to Jori's comment.

    Hashi +1 buff still displays even if he dies.

    Scroll down...

    Ref : HERE

Hashirama's passive when skill broken does become a non-removable as it becomes a permanent buff as long as the ninja that casts it is alive.

However, the passive does disappear when the ninja dies.

This is the same for other non-removable passives such as the Madara/Konan example given by ICE*:

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Sorry for any confusion and I hope this helps clears it up.


~Jib

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