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Hey guys!


Finally took some time to test out as it's been heavily requested

So it was a 1v1 duel fight where we both used Lightning Main and I used the 2nd standard attack with bloodthirsty and anbu tactics buff (because it lasts for whole fight)

The enemy was using calm mind standard, arena prowess


So I just let 2x3 duels play out until the round 10 and I was watching and at same time noting all damage numbers in a notepad

1x3 duels without tai/nin pen 8 Gates

1x3 duels with tai/nin pen 8 Gates

So it was around 1k difference in both tai/nin pen between the tests, I will show you the stats in detail below.

In both examples it was 39 non-crit standard attacks in total noted



Note: skip to end to see results if you don't want to see testing details in middle

Note2: Damage Reduction has nothing to do tai/nin pen, you can see results of my testing in comments below





WITHOUT TAI/NIN PEN



My stats

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Enemy stats

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Fight 1: 1503, 1557, 1799, 1740, 1791, 1782, 1547, 1698, 1496, 1652, 1778, 1693

Average: 20036 / 12 = 1670 damage


Fight 2: 1766, 1743, 1698, 1592, 1794, 1775, 1776, 1815, 1447, 1730, 1765, 1692, 1649, 1789

Average: 24031 / 14 = 1716 damage


Fight 3: 1562, 1755, 1655, 1668, 1777, 1819, 1780, 1728, 1766, 1653, 1680, 1716, 1760

Average: 22319 / 13 = 1717 damage


Total Average: 66386 / 39 = 1702 damage



CRIT: 2870, 2890, 3059, 2954, 2802, 2958, 2963, 2904, 3013, 2917, 2838, 2817, 2929, 2876, 2780, 3070, 2811, 2822, 2780

Average: 55053 / 19 = 2897 damage

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WITH TAI/NIN PEN



My Stats

Screenshot_8


Enemy Stats

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Fight 1: 1760, 1683, 1467, 1652, 1710, 1691, 1731, 1717, 1792, 1649, 1780 , 1697

Average: 20329 / 12 = 1694 damage


Fight 2: 1683, 1788, 1777, 1663, 1652, 1781, 1779, 1794, 1660, 1809, 1773, 1666

Average: 20825 / 12 = 1735 damage


Fight 3: 1724, 1797, 1726, 1725, 1670, 1731, 1771, 1740, 1678, 1713, 1661, 1758, 1812, 1747, 1682

Average: 25935 / 15 = 1729 damage


Total Average: 67089 / 39 = 1720 damage



CRIT: 2782, 3010, 2837, 2803, 2907, 2954, 2881, 2940, 3062, 2852, 2789

Average: 31817 / 11 = 2892 damage


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Comparison and conclusion:



Average Non-crit damage: 1720 - 1702 = 18 damage difference, WITH Tai/Nin pen it was 18 higher on average in 39 examples (almost 1% difference, which is easy accomplished by damage variety)


Average Crit damage: 2897 - 2892 = 5 damage difference , WITHOUT Tai/Nin pen it was 5 higher on average from mixed examples (0,5% difference, which is nothing)


Conclusion:

Tai/Nin pen either simply don't work or requires a much higher amount than the one we can currently acquire, you can currently count on it as simply a stats that improves your power in number so you can look cooler having more power and nothing else. (and actually surprisingly it gives a lot power especially when compared to stats such as life/def/res, I got +300 more power by removing my +life 8 gates and adding Nin-pen 8 gates)




Hope it helps you guys out and that you enjoyed it! Leave a comment tell me what do you think about this




This post was last edited by ICExx on 2018-06-18 03:07:30.
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On 2018-06-17 21:30:26Show this Author Only
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pZ2m0j9pnuQ hmm from what i know it does affect damage. Unless it works only in the CN server

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It might be a new patch in CN or something, you can see my tests here clearly

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thanks for ur hardwork bro

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On 2018-06-17 22:19:53Show this Author Only
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what about damage reduction? it's useless too?

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EDIT: delete this.




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On 2018-06-17 23:43:37Show this Author Only
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Thank you for the time you spent on testing and making this ''guide''.

However, I think it would've been more intresting if in the first case you used less tai/nin Pen than the opponent's damage reduction

and in the second case adding the tai/nin Pen chakras to have equal or more tai/nin Pen than the opponent's damage reduction.

Something like that as example:

Case 1: 2500 tai/nin Pen VS 3500 damage reduction

Case 2: 3500 tai/nin Pen VS 3500 damage reduction

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I'll check out about the 2400 tai/nin pen vs 2700 damage reduction for example


and I'll check out damage reduction in general

I'll update you guys

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Update guys:


Did a quick test for the Damage Reduction part:




1st fight


2411 tai pen, 2172 nin pen vs 2779 damage reduction

Screenshot_8


CRIT: 2769, 2701, 2654, 2858, 2837, 2825, 2840, 2845, 2789, 2697, 2714, 2755, 2875, 2686, 2785, 2691, 2762, 2673

Average: 49846 / 18 = 2769 damage






2nd fight


3482 tai pen , 2976 nin pen vs same 2779 damage reduction


CRIT: 2764, 2684, 2835, 2721, 2667, 2675, 2654, 2770, 2751, 2688, 2755, 2733, 2692, 2845, 2846, 2694, 2770, 2826

Average: 49370 / 18 = 2742 damage



Less damage with 1k more tai/nin pen, because of small amount of examples




This post was last edited by ICExx on 2018-06-18 03:17:13.
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  • ICExx On 2018-06-18 03:11:58
  • Update guys:


    Did a quick test for the Damage Reduction part:




    1st fight


    2411 tai pen, 2172 nin pen vs 2779 damage reduction

    Screenshot_8


    CRIT: 2769, 2701, 2654, 2858, 2837, 2825, 2840, 2845, 2789, 2697, 2714, 2755, 2875, 2686, 2785, 2691, 2762, 2673

    Average: 49846 / 18 = 2769 damage






    2nd fight


    3482 tai pen , 2976 nin pen vs same 2779 damage reduction


    CRIT: 2764, 2684, 2835, 2721, 2667, 2675, 2654, 2770, 2751, 2688, 2755, 2733, 2692, 2845, 2846, 2694, 2770, 2826

    Average: 49370 / 18 = 2742 damage



    Less damage with 1k more tai/nin pen, because of small amount of examples

the test was against me. the results we got showed there was no effect. I have still the doubt MB standard attacks are special cases, so we will retry it tomorrow with other ninjas :-)

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ROFL tencent's magic.

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If this is going to be confirmed with more tests, i can see just 2 position for us to take.


1) p3netration/resistance is bugged and doesn't work. It will be fixed by a later patch (like mystery delay) and we just need to wait to receive it from CN. This could be the reason why tencent waited 2 years to test this officially.


2) It's a whale stat. In CN is not inusual to see people with 7+ k p3netration/resistance without spending directly in it. Maybe it's like control and you need some big numbers (which we don't have yet) to effectively feel the difference.

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  • Shryke On 2018-06-18 12:44:35
  • If this is going to be confirmed with more tests, i can see just 2 position for us to take.


    1) p3netration/resistance is bugged and doesn't work. It will be fixed by a later patch (like mystery delay) and we just need to wait to receive it from CN. This could be the reason why tencent waited 2 years to test this officially.


    2) It's a whale stat. In CN is not inusual to see people with 7+ k p3netration/resistance without spending directly in it. Maybe it's like control and you need some big numbers (which we don't have yet) to effectively feel the difference.

Both me and ICEx made more tests and the results didn't show any difference (he will update this later, i think).

So, right now, is likely to consider it bugged as you say (i doubt is true the 2nd you said, but who knows).

Maybe, when we get next patch, lets call it 5.0, we get it fixed.


EDIT: i tested it also together with Eplox, by removing all our equipment, so we had very low stats. still there was no difference even if we had 4-5k def/res (if worked a 3k pen should do as much against a 5k def/res as a 7k do against a 10k def/res).





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On 2018-06-18 23:09:47Show this Author Only
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Great job. It’s good to finally have a definitive answer to nin/tai pen.

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On 2018-06-19 22:28:30Show this Author Only
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Thank you

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Did anything change with 5.0? It doesn't look like it, but I didn't test this thoroughly.

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I highly doubt , didn't have time to test yet though

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On 2018-12-13 15:57:34Show this Author Only
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Maybe pen stats affect to chance of red color damages.

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  • Utopia. On 2018-12-13 15:57:34
  • Maybe pen stats affect to chance of red color damages.

Red damage is simply indicator of damage higher then 1000.

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