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So... I spent roughly 600 cp and got myself a roshi that is doing pretty well... do you guys have any ideas for the lineups I could use?

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On 2018-06-02 08:26:40Show this Author Only
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Keep in mind Edo Roshi gives you a barrier that buffs Jinchuriki.

So you could use him with Killer Bee 7 Sword and Sage Naruto and see how that works. (Yes I know you may not have them, but imo its the best way to fully get the most out of Edo Roshi)

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On 2018-06-02 10:19:20Show this Author Only
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  • RenjiAsuka On 2018-06-02 08:26:40
  • Keep in mind Edo Roshi gives you a barrier that buffs Jinchuriki.

    So you could use him with Killer Bee 7 Sword and Sage Naruto and see how that works. (Yes I know you may not have them, but imo its the best way to fully get the most out of Edo Roshi)

Yes. Im going to buy Killer Bee when he comes out again and save up for kurama naruto. Barrier is pretty good as long as I have initiative at the bare minimum for him at positon 2

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On 2018-06-04 22:02:10Show this Author Only
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  • SaguLolo On 2018-06-02 10:19:20
  • Yes. Im going to buy Killer Bee when he comes out again and save up for kurama naruto. Barrier is pretty good as long as I have initiative at the bare minimum for him at positon 2

Kurama naruto team is better with normal roshi. Dont build a team around edo roshi. He is useless. F2P to Low p2w cannot win the barrier war since you need higher overall initiative for barrier, not to mention there are a few barrier breaker ninjas.

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On 2018-06-04 22:09:50Show this Author Only
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I don't think he's useless but he's definitely weaker than normal Roshi. Edo Roshi requires you to win the initiative war AND run a team with Jinchurikis to be useful, while old Roshi basically works in any team and doesn't require you to win the initiative war to be useful. Plus his scaling is sick.

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  • UchihaItachy On 2018-06-04 22:02:10
  • Kurama naruto team is better with normal roshi. Dont build a team around edo roshi. He is useless. F2P to Low p2w cannot win the barrier war since you need higher overall initiative for barrier, not to mention there are a few barrier breaker ninjas.

People really need to stop saying he is useless.

People also need to stop comparing Roshi [4 Tails Jinchuriki] to Roshi [Edo Tensei].

They both perform DIFFERENT ROLES.

Roshi [Edo Tensei] is a support to your Jinchuriki a lot like [Killer Bee 7 Sword Style] is a support.

Roshi [4 Tails Jinchuriki] is a barrier breaker and can become a tank provided it isn't blitz'd down. That is it.

2 very different jobs.

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On 2018-06-05 00:41:46Show this Author Only
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  • RenjiAsuka On 2018-06-04 23:34:50
  • People really need to stop saying he is useless.

    People also need to stop comparing Roshi [4 Tails Jinchuriki] to Roshi [Edo Tensei].

    They both perform DIFFERENT ROLES.

    Roshi [Edo Tensei] is a support to your Jinchuriki a lot like [Killer Bee 7 Sword Style] is a support.

    Roshi [4 Tails Jinchuriki] is a barrier breaker and can become a tank provided it isn't blitz'd down. That is it.

    2 very different jobs.

The word useless is short for: edo roshi's role, no body is gonna use cus the alternatives are so much better.

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On 2018-06-05 02:45:59Show this Author Only
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  • UchihaItachy On 2018-06-05 00:41:46
  • The word useless is short for: edo roshi's role, no body is gonna use cus the alternatives are so much better.

And he still isn't useless as you haven't provided any evidence of him being useless.

Apples and Oranges m8.

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On 2018-06-05 04:32:52Show this Author Only
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  • RenjiAsuka On 2018-06-05 02:45:59
  • And he still isn't useless as you haven't provided any evidence of him being useless.

    Apples and Oranges m8.

....and you have yet to provide an actual "useful" option that replaces current desired lineups. Face it, he is a niche ninja at best, but overall, about as useful as the many, MANY level 1 ninjas that you haven't bothered to lvl and cultivate. He is TOO reliant on too many variables that unless you are a big spender (or top dog in a new server) aren't realistically going to utilize. So lets break it down:

Useful? No.

Viable? No.

Replaceable? Yes.

Worth going for? No.

If you got him as a byproduct when you were spinning for giggles or Sasori, then awesome, you got something for free......personally I wouldn't recruit him and wait to pull him in the edo jinhuriki draw (when released) to 4 star him.....because he really isn't worth rushing to recruit now.




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  • Shyuko On 2018-06-05 04:32:52
  • ....and you have yet to provide an actual "useful" option that replaces current desired lineups. Face it, he is a niche ninja at best, but overall, about as useful as the many, MANY level 1 ninjas that you haven't bothered to lvl and cultivate. He is TOO reliant on too many variables that unless you are a big spender (or top dog in a new server) aren't realistically going to utilize. So lets break it down:

    Useful? No.

    Viable? No.

    Replaceable? Yes.

    Worth going for? No.

    If you got him as a byproduct when you were spinning for giggles or Sasori, then awesome, you got something for free......personally I wouldn't recruit him and wait to pull him in the edo jinhuriki draw (when released) to 4 star him.....because he really isn't worth rushing to recruit now.

I stated what he is meant for, which is to BUFF jinchuriki. What you choose to run him with is up to you.


So he is useful, he is viable and replaceable not so much, At least not until we get Edo Fu for *ternate barrier.




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On 2018-06-05 06:31:04Show this Author Only
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Wind

x-x-x

x-Wind-Kushina Red

Bee 7 - Edo Roshi-x

42413 - KoH and Shiba, Pakkun or Katsuyu

If you're strong. Use sand dust and blind. Blind can help you to bait out dodge.

Double shield Kushina, massive Res and Nin boost. Pos 1 items for hard hit.

You can go defensive by using Dance of Impetus and Natural Energy for fast chakra.

For Lightning main, same position as Wind.

Mystery is your style, 1, 2 or 3

3 you c*e Roshi asap.

My personal 14211 KoH.


To those who said he's useless. He's not.

He's really fun to play, especially in bond, not that I have it.

He does run well with all mains. You would be surprise the damage output and taken differences straight away.




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On 2018-06-05 08:47:35Show this Author Only
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  • RenjiAsuka On 2018-06-05 05:59:04
  • I stated what he is meant for, which is to BUFF jinchuriki. What you choose to run him with is up to you.


    So he is useful, he is viable and replaceable not so much, At least not until we get Edo Fu for *ternate barrier.

Again, his BUFF is only in effect if you can maintain barrier. Sadly you won't. Therefore, he is useless. Most people either run barrier breakers, or cancel barriers. THEN there is the fact that unless you are literally the creme de le creme in your server/group of servers, you won't even win barrier battle when matched up against another barrier user.

THIS is what makes him either a NICHE ninja at best case scenario or completely useless at normal situations.


So yes, my assessment still stands that he is replaceable, isn't viable, and certainly not worth spinning for. He just isn't worth it.

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  • Shyuko On 2018-06-05 08:47:35
  • Again, his BUFF is only in effect if you can maintain barrier. Sadly you won't. Therefore, he is useless. Most people either run barrier breakers, or cancel barriers. THEN there is the fact that unless you are literally the creme de le creme in your server/group of servers, you won't even win barrier battle when matched up against another barrier user.

    THIS is what makes him either a NICHE ninja at best case scenario or completely useless at normal situations.


    So yes, my assessment still stands that he is replaceable, isn't viable, and certainly not worth spinning for. He just isn't worth it.

That depends on server cluster or if x-server or single server. Not everyone has Shark Kisame, not everyone has Normal Roshi. But a lot of people have manual barriers or other auto barriers. Which either just leads into initiative or you needing some kind of interrupt (FYI Yagura can cause acupuncture and he is buffed by Roshi).

Sorry counters are irrelevant and doesn't create a good argument.

Example, people complained about Mei/Mabui/Tenten even though there was counters but it was still "OP".

People then complained about immortal teams despite choosing not to either blitz the ninja down or bring ignite.

Still doesn't stop the fact that Edo Roshi IS a support ninja.

FYI I never stated anything about spinning for him being worth it or not. So that statement of yours is irrelevant.

Your whole assessment is based of "hurr durr there is counters hurr durr". Which doesn't create a strong foundation for any argument.




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Hi guys! I think both Edo Roshi and Regular Roshi both are very good and have their own uses. Some may feel Edo Roshi may not be very strong right now, however, like many ninjas, the use of a ninja is correlated to how you use it and the ninjas available to make awesome teams. In my opinion, there is no right or wrong way in team building, as long as you are having a good time doing it. Instead of theory sometimes, its more about you going out there and trying your new found/built team.


Since this thread is going a little off-topic, I will have to close it. Remember, let's respect each other and spread more positive feelings towards one another. It is always better to share opinions in a positive way =]


~Jib

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