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I am a mb with better refines than a lot of ppl in my server but i just can t beat firemains because they use the shield mirror which completly *s my combo. Any idead how to deal with it?




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On 2018-02-13 02:23:56Show this Author Only
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Neji,Samui,Masked man,Iruka,Ao........they all can stop fire main from casting.Even your main has skill that can interupt

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On 2018-02-13 02:32:39Show this Author Only
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  • Cornholio On 2018-02-13 02:23:56
  • Neji,Samui,Masked man,Iruka,Ao........they all can stop fire main from casting.Even your main has skill that can interupt

Yeah the main can but the accupuncture would be reflected back to me... . My issue is that i don t have ninjas that have skills strong enough so I can have my main just as a support and if I use my main skill my combo would be done because of the paralysis. What am I supposed to do against a formation like this:

Neji, Gaara, fire main(Mirror) and sailor sakura(Heal).




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use root of warrior

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On 2018-02-13 02:49:34Show this Author Only
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  • Garv On 2018-02-13 02:43:56
  • use root of warrior

I m lvl 53.... .Do you think I would even make a post if i had it?




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On 2018-02-13 03:11:53Show this Author Only
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  • lmaousuck On 2018-02-13 02:49:34
  • I m lvl 53.... .Do you think I would even make a post if i had it?

There's nothing you can do about it unless you get a ninja with genjutsu mirror like Kurenai, etc. You're a few levels from getting access to Root of Warrior, so just take the defeat for now and try to get level 55 as fast as you can. Also, Kurenai is highly suggested and is very useful in the current meta, so it's not bad to go after her.

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On 2018-02-13 03:18:16Show this Author Only
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  • Azrielle On 2018-02-13 03:11:53
  • There's nothing you can do about it unless you get a ninja with genjutsu mirror like Kurenai, etc. You're a few levels from getting access to Root of Warrior, so just take the defeat for now and try to get level 55 as fast as you can. Also, Kurenai is highly suggested and is very useful in the current meta, so it's not bad to go after her.

Well right now i m going for unbound runes in arena also I got kankuro 3 star... Should have gotten her. I have only 15 frags from instances.

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  • lmaousuck On 2018-02-13 03:18:16
  • Well right now i m going for unbound runes in arena also I got kankuro 3 star... Should have gotten her. I have only 15 frags from instances.

A fully skillbroken Kurenai is at S+ tier, just below the god ninjas. It's not too late. Also, about unbound runes, they're good, and you'd probably have enough arena coins to buy both Kurenai and the runes. Once you've gotten her to 4 stars, prioritize breaking her chase talent so it adds chaos effects, that could win you most of your battles + you would already have root of warriors that seals the deal. Remember, for this lineup, it is of utmost importance to solely focus your refine on main LM, cause you will be putting him on the very front.

Sasuke - Kurenai - LM
x - Iruka - x
x - x - x

Also, I'm speaking of this assuming you're going to freeze your level starting 65 or 70. If you level up more than that, that lineup would no longer serve you well, and most of your battles will be hell. So, take it from someone who has done several tests. I'm at level 78 with 57k power, still doing fine, but there's somehow a bit of regret that I decided to level up past 70. I should have stopped at 70 completely.




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  • Azrielle On 2018-02-13 03:24:57
  • A fully skillbroken Kurenai is at S+ tier, just below the god ninjas. It's not too late. Also, about unbound runes, they're good, and you'd probably have enough arena coins to buy both Kurenai and the runes. Once you've gotten her to 4 stars, prioritize breaking her chase talent so it adds chaos effects, that could win you most of your battles + you would already have root of warriors that seals the deal. Remember, for this lineup, it is of utmost importance to solely focus your refine on main LM, cause you will be putting him on the very front.

    Sasuke - Kurenai - LM
    x - Iruka - x
    x - x - x

    Also, I'm speaking of this assuming you're going to freeze your level starting 65 or 70. If you level up more than that, that lineup would no longer serve you well, and most of your battles will be hell. So, take it from someone who has done several tests. I'm at level 78 with 57k power, still doing fine, but there's somehow a bit of regret that I decided to level up past 70. I should have stopped at 70 completely.

Doesn t this team get countered by like every wind main?




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  • lmaousuck On 2018-02-13 02:49:34
  • I m lvl 53.... .Do you think I would even make a post if i had it?

I do not see where you wrote you were level 53. Anyways, just wait 4 more days and you will be 55 and your issue is resolved

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On 2018-02-13 20:20:21Show this Author Only
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  • Azrielle On 2018-02-13 03:24:57
  • A fully skillbroken Kurenai is at S+ tier, just below the god ninjas. It's not too late. Also, about unbound runes, they're good, and you'd probably have enough arena coins to buy both Kurenai and the runes. Once you've gotten her to 4 stars, prioritize breaking her chase talent so it adds chaos effects, that could win you most of your battles + you would already have root of warriors that seals the deal. Remember, for this lineup, it is of utmost importance to solely focus your refine on main LM, cause you will be putting him on the very front.

    Sasuke - Kurenai - LM
    x - Iruka - x
    x - x - x

    Also, I'm speaking of this assuming you're going to freeze your level starting 65 or 70. If you level up more than that, that lineup would no longer serve you well, and most of your battles will be hell. So, take it from someone who has done several tests. I'm at level 78 with 57k power, still doing fine, but there's somehow a bit of regret that I decided to level up past 70. I should have stopped at 70 completely.

Level freezing before level 85 makes no sense in general because you do not have full access to your main talents and to all the main switch, after level 85 makes sense only if you are 1st or 2nd in swb every time and only up to the point you are able to get 1 level 10 and all level 8 in move 1, after that point the only enemies you would lose against in initiative would be whales and people like you and unless you are a whale too there is nothing you can do about it.

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On 2018-02-13 20:21:25Show this Author Only
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  • Scarlettblue On 2018-02-13 20:16:03
  • I do not see where you wrote you were level 53. Anyways, just wait 4 more days and you will be 55 and your issue is resolved

I got lvl 55 already ... . I didn't write about it because i thought the others wouldn't think I am *ed and I would not apply the easiest solution.

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  • Scarlettblue On 2018-02-13 20:16:03
  • I do not see where you wrote you were level 53. Anyways, just wait 4 more days and you will be 55 and your issue is resolved

+1

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  • Scarlettblue On 2018-02-13 20:20:21
  • Level freezing before level 85 makes no sense in general because you do not have full access to your main talents and to all the main switch, after level 85 makes sense only if you are 1st or 2nd in swb every time and only up to the point you are able to get 1 level 10 and all level 8 in move 1, after that point the only enemies you would lose against in initiative would be whales and people like you and unless you are a whale too there is nothing you can do about it.

Well, it did made sense for me and for people like me who had frozen our levels at level 70s, giving us almost 6k initiative on our 1st move ninjas, way more than most whales of our level, and even far more than the mild spenders 5 levels th*. I get to enjoy 1-2nd place in sage each time, constantly gets six paths. Constant 5 wins in matsuri, etc. What doesn't make sense is your comment, and you're merely basing on your own narrow experience, no matter how long you think you've been playing. Unless you can stop us now from the victories we earn, then we might see how freezing our levels no longer make sense.

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  • Azrielle On 2018-02-14 02:01:43
  • Well, it did made sense for me and for people like me who had frozen our levels at level 70s, giving us almost 6k initiative on our 1st move ninjas, way more than most whales of our level, and even far more than the mild spenders 5 levels th*. I get to enjoy 1-2nd place in sage each time, constantly gets six paths. Constant 5 wins in matsuri, etc. What doesn't make sense is your comment, and you're merely basing on your own narrow experience, no matter how long you think you've been playing. Unless you can stop us now from the victories we earn, then we might see how freezing our levels no longer make sense.

The whales you talk about are not the whales i talk about. One real whale the first time loses against you in initiative outright buy 2000 advanced refinement runes and 2000 cave keys and overcome 6 month of your efforts in swb in 1 minute.

And yes, works for you, but if 15 people did like you in your usual swb then you would not be 1st or 2nd neither now, at least not with an high chance to be, and beware that initiative matters up to a certain point. If you own initiative but your enemy owns 20k more power than you you are likely to lose regardless. If to beat your usual enemies you need skewering or sand dust or sb 4th mystery you can even put on halt your efforts as much as you want but you will fail against them.

The only reason because you are getting 5 wins in matsuri is because you are in a relatively new cluster, but in 3 months, you will begin to see how quickly the things change. The same is also for swb. When the average level of your cluster will be 80 you will be added to higher fields regardless.




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  • Scarlettblue On 2018-02-14 18:56:55
  • The whales you talk about are not the whales i talk about. One real whale the first time loses against you in initiative outright buy 2000 advanced refinement runes and 2000 cave keys and overcome 6 month of your efforts in swb in 1 minute.

    And yes, works for you, but if 15 people did like you in your usual swb then you would not be 1st or 2nd neither now, at least not with an high chance to be, and beware that initiative matters up to a certain point. If you own initiative but your enemy owns 20k more power than you you are likely to lose regardless. If to beat your usual enemies you need skewering or sand dust or sb 4th mystery you can even put on halt your efforts as much as you want but you will fail against them.

    The only reason because you are getting 5 wins in matsuri is because you are in a relatively new cluster, but in 3 months, you will begin to see how quickly the things change. The same is also for swb. When the average level of your cluster will be 80 you will be added to higher fields regardless.

So what gives you the idea why freezing our level at 70s don't make sense inspite of the favorable results we are having now? Perhaps if we start to rephrase our statements and make sound arguments, that would better address the OP's plead for help. You are advising him to level up further when in fact it would just make the difficulty exponentially worse. And I don't think mine is in a relatively new cluster, it's roughly 5 months old and have been opened for cross-server SWB, arena and matsuri since server opening. While you have a point that if I keep encouraging these new people to freeze their level altogether, they might just end up facing each other. It's up to them and how they use their resources really. Still doesn't change the fact that I just did well when I started freezing my level, since it gave me a lot of opportunities to amass power items and resources to further improve my stats.

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On 2018-02-15 01:31:49Show this Author Only
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I say lvl up.


Just because you're lvl 50, doesn't mean you wouldn't meet a lvl 100 in Matsuri.

Heck, as a lvl 95, I meet lvl 60s at least once every Matsuri.

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On 2018-02-15 15:57:16Show this Author Only
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Matsuri matching is too random to be classified. One thing i can accept with Scarlettblue is once you show a whale you have initiative more than him, next time you wont be having it. They are highly competitive considering they are putting real money on the game, and intelligent f2ps end up showing them da wae.(Not saying spenders are dumb. They are like f2ps, some know what they are doing, some dont.). The case about level freezing can go either sides. I have seen lot of f2ps who have good initiative just because they knew what was coming and took some wise decisions. But like scarletblue mentioned as your cluster gets older, others who see the success of these freezers start doing the same since thing, but if you start early you will be always ahead. In my cluster(408-550 in HK) its like 8 -10 months old, Level 79-83 sage has one 108k, rest are lof of f2ps who chose to freeze and have from 80k -60k, then the normal leveling up guys. The 80ks-60ks are low in number and they can get a lot of advanced refines depending on which field the 108k is on and whether he choose to come to sage or not. Even though there are level freezing whales, most of them dont come to sage regularly. So the competition is with the freezing llow or medium spenders, and freezing f2ps. Smart f2ps can handle this field. Next sage level is 83-86 which has even more freezers(most of them started freezing late considering the success of some freezers), This field is heavily competitive with lot of freezers. You need to plan, break streaks and be smart to get top 1-3. Lot of 80ks, and the 100k i mentioned is at level 83 and can end up on this field some days. Level 86-90 is again bloodwars with 1-2 100ks(one of them never turns up for sage) and lot of 80-90ks. Level 90 above is not a f2p zone. That place is literally plagued by 140ks, 150ks etc.

But always taking some time to level freeze is good, rather than madly leveling up without much power. If you are a spending player definitely freeze, would work way better considering ingots can make up for lost power. If you are a f2p, you should definitely try freezing . If it works in your cluster and you could end up in top 1-3 in sage proceed freezing, or move your level up. I have f2ps in my server with 5k -6k first position initiative because they froze. This works till you get all level 8s or 9s in position one. Then you wil need a lot of advanced for leveling up further, or you have to save up long times to get directly from 5 to 9 or some big jumps like that. Main point is that you have to be patient stacking up those advanced refines, while losing out on power due to freezing. In a long term how this could end up is still up for question. In my bracket non freezing spenders can more or less match f2p freeezing intiatives as of now. But freezing f2ps at the end of the day can end up better than a non freezing f2p with high chance.

Hope it helped you to beat fire mains with genjutsu mirror.

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