Couldnt disagree more, i've played alot of water main teams, and owned fire main teams even those few thousand power above me. I think its all about what team u build around.

Did you have a 1v1 between a SB and an AF?

Because, like in every team game, it's the lineup that let you win, not the main. The reason why all mains are reworked every year is that they all feel disappointing, when compared to other ninjas.

I challenge you to find a lineup with AF, 2 other water ninjas + 1 non water ninja that is able to beat Itachi Susano'o, Shisui, SB + a non fire ninja of your choice that completes the meta.

And even if you find one, it works better with another main, so it's useless to run it with azure fang.

Tell me which ones and i can find an SB lineup of comparable power and ninja rarity that shut it down completely without leaving you any hopes to even move.

I also challenge you to say 1 sb meta lineup and to find me a water meta lineup that is able to do the same with comparable rarity ninjas.

That said, about what level/battle power/initiative level are you talking about? I'm really curious.

Ive been talking about this a few months ago. In this game azure as watermain is very weak against fire. Not only that, all ninjas who have fire/ignite so powerful enemy (Roshi, Naruto, Jinpachi now haha) because healing cant do anything if your ninja under ignite n bad news is ignite isnt priority to be removed, thats why i never see water + sailor sakura anymore

+1

I would love to get the implementation of the 5.0 talent, the double 40% chance to evade a standard attack/mystery, at this point is the only anchor of safety i see in the close future to be able to stand a chance.

In truth i too consider scarlet blaze set of talents too strong considering the ninja lineup available. Is too easy for sb to be able to create a team and good synergies and he substantially fails only against full immune teams, teams that cannot be run with azure fang with any hopes to be competitive, unless we talk about naruto kurama or 4-6 tails, ninjas that are not at all easy to gain and that as pointed out by garv work better with other mains and that are not of water attribute.

Imho azure fang should get a talent like 'status adaptment' that let her use mystery even if chaosed or immobilized. Something like: if azure fang is under sleep, chaos or immobile she can still cast a mystery but her hp are halved. For that round she becomes immune to new debuffs.

She can still be interrupted but at least is able to do her work and at a big cost.

There is no water ninja at the same level of itachi and shisui. That's why you are probably losing. But the real worth of AF is healing and chaos'ing, not water buffing.

Since you have thrown in itachi susanoo, let me tell you that a poison/chaos based team, with edo hashirama, sage AF, SB kurenai + another healer (i.e tsunade hokage) could easily beat the Uchiha fire meta. It's just slower in SWB, so people don't see a reason to delay their turn 1 spike to get higher winning spree in less time.

If we talk about the anime i don't see why tobirama should be weaker than itachi or why mei should be weaker than shisui, the point is they made them weaker and unable to get a good synergy together and together with azure fang.

P.S. The team you talk about doesn't meet the requirements garv asked since edo hashirama and kurenai aren't water ninjas. Moreover, even if the team is able to win (maybe, and i am not even that sure, since there's no ninja that's able to proc the 10 combo to let trigger the high chases if not hashirama mystery and hashirama mystery can be easily interrupted by the enemy and if hits shisui you get no water style water trumphet and no king of hell so no hashirama chase neither + to let hashirama heal and remove debuffs on azure fang azure fang is compelled to run nature energy gathering and so not healing tips or neurotoxin this means she is compelled to run shark bomb, since reg. healing jutsu doesn't get boosted by nature energy gathering boost ) it still requires the hardest to get ninja currently + a whale only ninja (hokage tsunade) while itachi susano'o currently is way easier to gain and can be easily swapped with the free itachi anbu to get almost the same outcome and shisui can be bought in events with 15k coupons.

EDIT: you are right saying the real strenght of AF currently are healing and chaosing, but the point of Garv is exactly that: both of those points of strenght are denied exactly by the only main that should be weak to them.

This is about the game. So i talk about the game. Who cares about anime?

As i said before, atm there is no offensive water ninja that can compete with fire (itachi and shisui are fire type). So there is no point on running a water based team. Fire ninjas, not fire main.

The team i've provided can easily beat the uchiha fire team. And no, it doesn't work better with other mains, even if it could be tweaked a bit to be a really good BD team.

That said, the next meta we will face for the next 6 months will be MB / CF kurama link naruto teams and it will be hard to see any SB teams.

There are a lot of things to consider: person's element resistance (can get +20 water resistance) ,tactics running ( resistance tactics) , cloths , mags ,charms.

As for initiative , when you put Azura fang in the back and he got itachi in front , he wins ini. Move 1 ninja goes before move 2 ninja, unless move 2 ninja got 10k more ini.

Itachi is about 1500-7500 + sushi 200 so don't expect kabuto or sailor to beat them. No need to bring back no brain healing teams; they killed this game enough.

As for fair, water meta was way op. I saw a 88k person beating 160k person (I love lego vs medbeast?)

You c*e water main to beat itachi suasano teams ,just needs to spend closer to what other person spent on getting his itachi . Fair enough right :)

What i know is that to counter SB teams i need to use skewering in round 1 and if i use skewering in round 1 chaos/immobile get reflected back because in round 1 to use experimental ninjutsu you need to not run poison tai.

If you don't use experimental ninjutsu and skewering then not only whatever you do in round 1 gets fully nullified by SB alone, but very likely you are also ignited by the 4th standard attack of SB, this is what doesn't work and this is what happens with every lineup a non whale can run with azure fang at comparable or even at higher power than the enemy SBs, and this makes absolutely no sense.

If you don't want to increase the elemental weakness of SB then SB 4th mystery needs to cost minimum 40 chakra or mirror return needs to not be able to reflect chaos applied via azure fang neurotoxin.

i have nothing to complain if CF have the upper hand over AF, i have to complain if SB have it.

As i said before this game is wrong since the beginning. If in terms of nature water can beat fire. But in fact the water is very weak against fire, not just the nature of fire.

Today isnt for water meta but today is dodge meta

that's why i want the 5.0 talent :-)

They are not going to change talents. They made people max out their water teams(5 star tsunade+5star sailor) now they put a counter so people will spend on new meta. Making new talents is a coding nightmare and costly.

There are no end game ninjas , meta change from time to time. Have to adapt.

In a 1v1, SB and AF are evenly matched. Scarlet blaze got ignite,shield mirror while azura fang got remove debuffs+ heal+ poison.

I bet for SB 1vs1 if they have the same hp or even water has a little more SB can kill her slowly. Even u cant move if SB use sleep thats my experience.

SB skill: 1-2-1-2-2

AF?

tsunade sannin war doesn't have in our version her breaktroughs, so i suppose you are talking about hokage tsunade, a ninja that's available only to whales. To put a counter to something almost none owns is pretty * (aka, don't even think to introduce anbu itachi and shisui if you didn't even give to your common players the team they are supposed to counter).

About the talents, you are right it's hard to code them, but there's a solution to this issue (not the one i like, but it's so) that is just right now encoded and is this one:

since oasis wanted to give shisui and anbu itachi so early then i expect them to give also to azure fang the talent meant to be able to do something against them (with some luck, indeed).

If azure fang can be as annoying as brothers farewell healers then maybe the SB user would think twice if wasting his shisui or itachi susano'o mystery on her having 40% chance to fail twice in a round.

+1.

in 1vs1 obviously SB would use immobile mystery or 1st mystery and sleep standard with clone.