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It's funny every time you raise a real issue with the way they handle mergers and the fact that merger requests are always ignored, They only go up in servers, never backwards because they don't care about us older players and other players do the same the Mods will close or delete your thread to silence you. Just like this:

https://forum-narutoen.oasgames.com/page/show-post-27947-1.html






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Hello.


So I want to clear up few things. Merge requests are not ignored. We simply do not reply back to them or we do not reply to player's question. Merge request thread has only one purpose and that is collect requests. There is not that many things we could talk with our players about merges, since most of the information are considered as internal information. If you server was not included in recent merge process, do not worry. Just because your server was not included does not mean it can't be in near feature. There are specific requirements for servers they need to reach in order to be eligible for merge.


I hope this clears all the confusion, have a nice day.

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On 2018-01-12 02:51:29Show this Author Only
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My server's people and myself have requested mergers properly as dictated month after month and we always get passed.
Explain why the server numbers that get merged only keep going to higher numbers and never backwards if requests matter?
S449 has been dead since June/July. We have 10-16 people that log in every week. You keep making new servers and merging them before the dead older servers.
The only reason we can kill the 9tails and such is because Infamous and I are in the top30 power rankings in the game and we are bored, We keep losing people because there is not enough people to do anything without us carrying the server.

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I think waiting for a server merge for 6-7 months is ridiculous and no one cares to help.

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  • chriscross On 2018-01-12 02:51:29
  • My server's people and myself have requested mergers properly as dictated month after month and we always get passed.
    Explain why the server numbers that get merged only keep going to higher numbers and never backwards if requests matter?
    S449 has been dead since June/July. We have 10-16 people that log in every week. You keep making new servers and merging them before the dead older servers.
    The only reason we can kill the 9tails and such is because Infamous and I are in the top30 power rankings in the game and we are bored, We keep losing people because there is not enough people to do anything without us carrying the server.

thats why they skipped your server ... they skip all servers with big spenders like mine (S348)





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  • LordMadaraSenpa On 2018-01-12 03:17:03
  • thats why they skipped your server ... they skip all servers with big spenders like mine (S348)


I was wondering about that, it seems backwards. They should make us want to stay.

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  • chriscross On 2018-01-12 03:24:17
  • I was wondering about that, it seems backwards. They should make us want to stay.

They do have to weight that against the very real possibility of many, if not most, of the players from server you merge with end up quitting as a result. Not only does that mean potentially losing a number of lesser spenders, but it also means that you are back where you started, in a dead-ish server. There are a number of already merged server requesting merge again due to the server dying again for whatever reason, and high ptw could very well be such a reason.


It's hardly any particular parties' fault, but that is the nature of such ptw games. I wonder if things would be better if the huge spenders promises to not plunder as well as make certain compromises in GNW. While not exactly fair for the spender, it would certainly minimize the impact and thus allow the merged server to sustain longer.




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  • PraiseLuka On 2018-01-12 05:02:56
  • They do have to weight that against the very real possibility of many, if not most, of the players from server you merge with end up quitting as a result. Not only does that mean potentially losing a number of lesser spenders, but it also means that you are back where you started, in a dead-ish server. There are a number of already merged server requesting merge again due to the server dying again for whatever reason, and high ptw could very well be such a reason.


    It's hardly any particular parties' fault, but that is the nature of such ptw games. I wonder if things would be better if the huge spenders promises to not plunder as well as make certain compromises in GNW. While not exactly fair for the spender, it would certainly minimize the impact and thus allow the merged server to sustain longer.

I understand about the 1st time merged servers where it dies quickly due to groups deciding to merging with other groups and creating an imbalance. However, what about servers that haven't even got a merge. So far, the merge updates list new servers each time these updates are posted and not both new and old.

Hopefully, these servers are the first-timers and it signals much newer servers that are first timers that they could get a merge soon. If older servers do get added or merged into other merged servers (if this is what Oasis is doing), they should at least include in the updates otherwise it's going to be a surprise for those affected.




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  • Danzō On 2018-01-12 06:09:27
  • I understand about the 1st time merged servers where it dies quickly due to groups deciding to merging with other groups and creating an imbalance. However, what about servers that haven't even got a merge. So far, the merge updates list new servers each time these updates are posted and not both new and old.

    Hopefully, these servers are the first-timers and it signals much newer servers that are first timers that they could get a merge soon. If older servers do get added or merged into other merged servers (if this is what Oasis is doing), they should at least include in the updates otherwise it's going to be a surprise for those affected.

I was responding to the "observation" of ptw server not being merged, not necessarily age of server thou significant ptw tend to be on somewhat aged servers.


As far as age goes, I agree that it should not be only new servers. Thou I imagine older servers might be more problematic due to likely bigger disparity between servers and it's possible the people in charge just don't want to handle the harder problems.

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  • chriscross On 2018-01-12 02:51:29
  • My server's people and myself have requested mergers properly as dictated month after month and we always get passed.
    Explain why the server numbers that get merged only keep going to higher numbers and never backwards if requests matter?
    S449 has been dead since June/July. We have 10-16 people that log in every week. You keep making new servers and merging them before the dead older servers.
    The only reason we can kill the 9tails and such is because Infamous and I are in the top30 power rankings in the game and we are bored, We keep losing people because there is not enough people to do anything without us carrying the server.

At the moment, not that many older servers are in need of merge. And those that are may not be compatible with yours. As I mentioned before, there is a lot of factors we need to take into consideration before creating merge plan. We understand you are frustrated because your server was not included but I can assure you that once there will be an opportunity for your server to be merged, we will make sure to merge your server. As we always say, once we receive request from you, it stays on our list till your server gets merged.

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  • PraiseLuka On 2018-01-12 07:42:32
  • I was responding to the "observation" of ptw server not being merged, not necessarily age of server thou significant ptw tend to be on somewhat aged servers.


    As far as age goes, I agree that it should not be only new servers. Thou I imagine older servers might be more problematic due to likely bigger disparity between servers and it's possible the people in charge just don't want to handle the harder problems.

It makes sense a ptw server would wait much longer for a merge due to the impact it can create in a merged server. Either the other servers are close in terms of ptw or the ptw server would just be most benefiting from the merge.


Onto the age of a server, just like how servers get merged with servers within their cross-server bracket, shouldn't a server (let's say 345) be able to be added to a merged server (let's say 340,341,342). I wasn't expecting an older server merge with a newer server since #1 both most likely aren't in the same bracket and #2 the large time disparity that can create disadvantages for the newer server. Hopefully, Oasis has added servers in this matter in the past instead of neglecting a first-time server that needs a merge and wait for the right amount of servers in the bracket to be added into a new merged server since that's would take a lot longer than matching a first-time server with a merged server.




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  • chriscross On 2018-01-12 02:51:29
  • My server's people and myself have requested mergers properly as dictated month after month and we always get passed.
    Explain why the server numbers that get merged only keep going to higher numbers and never backwards if requests matter?
    S449 has been dead since June/July. We have 10-16 people that log in every week. You keep making new servers and merging them before the dead older servers.
    The only reason we can kill the 9tails and such is because Infamous and I are in the top30 power rankings in the game and we are bored, We keep losing people because there is not enough people to do anything without us carrying the server.

Funny thing is.. that is still a much higher activity than my already merged server. (212 - 236), where you have event attendance in the single digits.

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  • PraiseLuka On 2018-01-12 05:02:56
  • They do have to weight that against the very real possibility of many, if not most, of the players from server you merge with end up quitting as a result. Not only does that mean potentially losing a number of lesser spenders, but it also means that you are back where you started, in a dead-ish server. There are a number of already merged server requesting merge again due to the server dying again for whatever reason, and high ptw could very well be such a reason.


    It's hardly any particular parties' fault, but that is the nature of such ptw games. I wonder if things would be better if the huge spenders promises to not plunder as well as make certain compromises in GNW. While not exactly fair for the spender, it would certainly minimize the impact and thus allow the merged server to sustain longer.

u are very wise. Hope P2W players and oasis staff looking for a way to fix the issue. Increasing free coupons reward for SS convoy to 60 or 70 coupon could solve the problem and make F2P stay and no quit this game, and P2W also will do SS convoy instead of plunder

The ball in on ur hand, oasis staff

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  • Daiske On 2018-01-12 02:39:02
  • Hello.


    So I want to clear up few things. Merge requests are not ignored. We simply do not reply back to them or we do not reply to player's question. Merge request thread has only one purpose and that is collect requests. There is not that many things we could talk with our players about merges, since most of the information are considered as internal information. If you server was not included in recent merge process, do not worry. Just because your server was not included does not mean it can't be in near feature. There are specific requirements for servers they need to reach in order to be eligible for merge.


    I hope this clears all the confusion, have a nice day.

Maybe if you didn't open 5 new servers every week the mergers of old servers would go by faster.

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  • Danzō On 2018-01-12 12:11:52
  • It makes sense a ptw server would wait much longer for a merge due to the impact it can create in a merged server. Either the other servers are close in terms of ptw or the ptw server would just be most benefiting from the merge.


    Onto the age of a server, just like how servers get merged with servers within their cross-server bracket, shouldn't a server (let's say 345) be able to be added to a merged server (let's say 340,341,342). I wasn't expecting an older server merge with a newer server since #1 both most likely aren't in the same bracket and #2 the large time disparity that can create disadvantages for the newer server. Hopefully, Oasis has added servers in this matter in the past instead of neglecting a first-time server that needs a merge and wait for the right amount of servers in the bracket to be added into a new merged server since that's would take a lot longer than matching a first-time server with a merged server.

It's not the same.

For one, older server, on average, are more active than newer servers. This means if there is a specific level of inactivity needed to qualify for merge, a larger % of newer server would qualify. This would mean that there for say 6 consecutive servers of a region, there are like 4-5 that qualifies and therefore have a reasonable merge between those where the age difference between the youngest and oldest server is small. On the other hand, for older servers, it might require a span of say 10 or more consecutive server to find 4-5 qualifying servers, creating a bigger age disparity.


For another, apparently they care about top player power. Fact of the matter is, player progress at different rate, including top player of one server versus another. And if we consider power growth like any other static problem, that is to say there is a mean growth and a standard deviation to the growth, you will easily see that it makes sense that as the mean increases over time, so does the standard deviation. Therefore, between a cluster of consecutive server, the older the age of the server, the bigger the difference between the lowest highest power of a server and the highest highest power of a server. This could further dilute suitable candidates for merger.


As a result, a "fair" merger based on power could result in servers whose age are vastly different, being cherry picked out of a fairly large span of servers with various servers among them being not suitable, requiring the span. And you know the youngest server will complain about being merged to a server a month or two older.

On the other hand, if you ignore the above, then you will receive complaints from players of server that never asked for a merger but is forced into it or complaints from the "weak" servers about being merged with a much stronger server.

So unlike the merger of newer server, older server merger would be problematic and prune to complaint no matter how they do it, because of the inherent bigger disparity between consecutive servers and therefore being less suitable of being blindly merged together. So no, it's not the same, it's not just picking consecutive servers out of a cluster.


Chances are, they have to bite the bullet eventually and live with one complaint or another. But the question still remains, just which bullet do they bite?

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So what i am gathering from all this : Stop giving them money and they will take notice of your servers ? Noted! Thx


But on a serious note .. is there a way to merge more servers together at a time .. instead of merging 3 or 4 .. merge like 6-8 servers into one ? or would that cause even more issues ?




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  • TheWakkaSage On 2018-01-12 15:56:56
  • Maybe if you didn't open 5 new servers every week the mergers of old servers would go by faster.

I 100% agree

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I guess it's better to be F2P now.
I've been on merged servers to look and they had a ton of people online and 3 top 30 p2w people so I don't think having a few p2w people kills servers.

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  • TheWakkaSage On 2018-01-12 15:56:56
  • Maybe if you didn't open 5 new servers every week the mergers of old servers would go by faster.

based on my knowledge, the team in charge of opening new servers and the team in charge of investigating older servers for merger are different. What this means is that they do not in actual fact effect each other. The reason why it takes time for older servers to find a suitable merger is that mergers can have a detrimental effect on server health if done incorrectly. Balance is crucial and those who have already been merged would be very knowledgeable of this fact. It is not that the team does not want to merge you, but that the process takes time.


What can help speed up the process is by obtaining information the right way. This means posting in the correct place to request for merger and any inquiries concerning server merger be directed to customer service who can answer you on a person by person basis. I know that many of you have been patient and there are some looking for a second merger.


~Jib

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