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Hey there,

We are aware of the issues with the matchmaking system and are working on a solution!! :) :)

Nice, here they go again with their "please be patiente" BS, when we all know this wont change.. but hey, just wait 2 months and ppl will forget.

Can we stop throwing the word "matchmaking" around Xserver sage problem?

First, the root of the problem is the size of the sage. Because regardless of "matchmaking", fact of the matter is that there will be only a small portion of each battle field that is likely to win, and the rest of the player, whoever them might be, will almost never get anything. This is a bigger problem especially when there is no fluidity between the battlefield so people do not move from one to another often enough to be the cream of the crop some of the time. Bigger field reduce fluidity because of law of large numbers, as sampling size increase, the % variance decrease. And for the "highest" grouping, there is even less as it is independent of other influence (whereas second grouping is influenced by the randomness of the first and so on)

Second, while the "matchmaking" as you people call it is badly thought out in that group 1 of each server cluster is hell, fact of the matter is that NO ONE have provided any actual EVIDENCE of there is a problem with it. And what sort of evidence you might ask? Well, simply enough, given 3 players that should be ordered 1,2,3, they are sorted into sage battles such that 1 and 3 are in the same sage while 2 is in another. For example, 3 lv 90s with power 80k, 70k and 60k, and the 80k and 60k are in one sage while the 70k is in another. As it stands, it is possible that the "matchmaking" is actually working as it is designed and that all our concerns gets dismissed as the result when people's point of complaint is that the "matchmaking" is not working right.

And finally, "working as intended" does not mean good. The current "matchmaking" scheme is flawed. Players should not be rewarded for not leveling, at least not as a sudden introduction of new mechanic. It should either be always that way or never that way, changing the rule of the game midway is not ok. Then, grouping 1 of each server cluster is hell. I understand that sacrificial lambs will be needed as the top ptws will always take up the winner slots. But the sacrificial lambs should not always be the same batch of people (or, more exactly, no one should always be stuck as a sacrificial lamb). Given the current "matchmaking", even reducing sage field size would not help, it would reduce the number of sacrificial lambs, but some players will still be stuck being one indefinitely. We need mechanics that "shake things up". For example, if a player won top 3 in the last sage that he entered, he is put into a special group (say 4 sage field in a server cluster means 36 winners total) and they fight in one sage. This would at least give the "next strongest" players of each original grouping some breathing room. With group size reduction, potentially the top 25 of say 45 will have a decent chance of winning eventually. It will also introduce more volatility to the groupings so there is more fluidity.

On several occasions my server, which has ninjas in the 80s, has been matched up with a new server whose highest ranked ninjas were level 30, and then the one after that, 55 or so. I do like to win, but I don't like beating down people who have absolutely zero chance of getting any rewards at all. It's not even giving my peeps competition, it's giving them more players to kill and rack up points with.

Then there's the opposite extreme where you're matching up lvl 80 ninjas with lvl 90 ninjas that have all super, super rares. I know it's part of Sage, but I'd like to avoid those kinds of people whenever possible. Call me nuts, but I like to fight players where it's about strategy i.e. relatively evenly matched or there is a slight chance I may win against a stronger opponent rather than an inevitable, quick loss simply because I don't throw down $500 to get the best ninjas.

here is the exemple you wanted : achroma is in the top 10 in UK power ranking wise while sunami is rank 1 i think , why are they in different sage world clusters ?

Because it sorts by levels before it sorts by power, which is extremely dumb. Basically it will take 300~ lvl 88-90s that fit to be top bracket and split them randomly into 3 sage worlds and only then it will sort each of those sage worlds into 3 teams by power to try make 3 even teams.

That's why you can get easy-ish top bracket were 60k f2p can place top 3 or you can get one were each team has 5+ 70k+ people that have Sonic lvl refines and it's about as fun as detention camp in North Korea. This post was last edited by Dym at 2017-6-3 03:36

they are both lvl90 since day 1 of the cap increase , that shouldn't prevent them from being in the same sage world , idk how the clusters are working but there are quite a few clusters with 8-9 80k+ power guys instead of having 80k+ together like a balanced match making would do , for exemple achroma is fighting 42k power people

Because this is how it works:

When you click on 'register' for sage you got teleported to a neutral server together with whoever else clicked on 'register' (that's the reason why you can't chat in group anymore, because there's no group in the neutral server, and why you can talk in world chat with people that won't be in your battlefield).
At that point starts an SWB with all the people there exactly like it would start in a server with more than 75 people that registered there.
Lets say there are 300 people registered. This mean the number of sage world battlefield that start at the same time will be 4.
How are people divided there?
1-3 go in 1st field, 4-6 go in 2nd field, 7-9 go in 1st field, 10-12 go in 2nd field, 13-15 go in 1st field, 16-18 go in 2nd field and so on until top 150 fills the two battlefields. 151-300th get split in the same way in field 3 and 4, with the difference that for 'top' placement they mean first level 90s are selected, then after the weakest level 90 is placed that way the strongest 89 follows and so on until weakest level 30 that registered.


About the thread starter, none here understood why they couldn't add the option that if an SWB could start by itself then that server didn't go in the cross server circuit. They did things in a * way like always.

i don't understand why they didn't put the top 75 registered players in the same sage world
top 1 in field top 2 in second and top 3 in 3rd field 4 in 3rd too 5 in 2 second 6 in first and so on . that would make more sense to me. this way the top players have their competition and fight against each other and its balanced and you don't see 105k power vs 44k as you see now

I said EVIDENCE, you made a CLAIM, those are two different things.

What server is Achroma on? I can find Sunami is on 98 on a certain post (top 25 in ANY server) but not achroma. I also don't know what the UK server clusters are, and unfortunately a new char, I believe, can't even view the space time thing to see the cluster.

So as far as evidence goes:
Screenshot of the Space time point ranking, to show that they are in the same server cluster.

Screenshot of the sage field participant list (of any one SAME field, so either both mountain or both cave etc) to show that it's two different SWB and evidence that the specific player is in each of the two SWB.
Note that to properly show the participant list, if you do it at the start, you have to go through all the pages as I have no confidence in them having a stable ordering, or you can get it near the end where it is sorted by points so pretty stable (but that would mean time away from fighting in the SWB)

Now, I'm not saying that what you said isn't happening, all I'm saying that I have yet to see any evidence to back up such claims. What 988....@uf16 said could be true, and I would agree with you that the way he describes makes no sense. Either way, at the current moment evidence is lacking.

Evidence of the distribution scheme please. Conjectures isn't helping anyone.

You can find Achroma on S60
This bracket is from S57 to S306 (used to be 291). With the exception of some servers like 89, 93, 98.
I'd love to know why.





This post was last edited by Eplox at 2017-6-3 07:37

its actually 38-169 that doesn't have 57-73 and 57-73 was added to 172-306(used to be 291) i wonder why 57-73 was moved to 172-306 ....

didn't know it took the space time clusters into consideration , that makes it even worse because of how bad the UK space time is structured
17-35 is one of them
38-169 is another whoever 57-73 are missing here
172-306 (used to be 291) is another but they have 57-73 added to it for idk what reason it was never explained
309- ... is the last one
the people from 57-73 ruined space time for our cluster and if its the same for sage world it ruins out sage world too.

At least UK is not every single server from S14 onwards being crammed in the same bracket. On my merged LA server (212 - 236), 5 months younger than S14, player count dropped off rapidly since cross server sage came out. So far, only 2 players on the entire merged server group has won any adv refines from sage. It is pretty disheartening to see bully of the battlefield title given to players with under 2k points.

Most players has already given up on arena and spacetime, and now are giving up on sage too (or in many cases, quitting altogether). Less than half the players that used to attend 9tails invasion and gnw are still present compared to just two weeks ago. With group activity levels dropping rapidly.

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On my lvl 75 S302 char.. the first cross server sage involved myself and 5 other lvl 75s being sent to a field of lvl 40s and 50s. There were zero players between lvl 55 - 74. Matchmaking is pretty broken there. Wouldn't be surprised it would turn a lvl 50 away when he see me killing his entire team with just chojuro's standards at start of round 1.

Second cross server sage put me in a lvl 73 to 77 bracket, with players ranging from 25k to 35k power. Then there's a lvl 84, with 46k power in the field. This lvl 84 went on a 24 streak rampage, murdering every single player he came across in round 1. Pretty sure there are players between lvl 78 and 84 that would fit far more than that guy. Getting destroyed round 1 like that is pretty discouraging to anyone on the receiving end, as it is not a fair match at all.

Third cross server sage put me in a lvl 79 to 84 bracket, with most players between 40 - 50k power. My first opponent is a lvl 84 with 55k pow, 20k higher than me. I did not face a single player below 40k power or lvl 79 by the time I was knocked out. This post was last edited by IamAscrub at 2017-6-3 08:30

That's.... so confusing....

In any case, it seems 60 and 98 are not in the same cluster so your example unfortunately doesn't show any problem with the matchmaking (as far as if it's working as intended. Again, I feel there are better way to go about it but that's another discussion altogether)

And yeah, ANY Xserver stuff takes the cluster into account. This means masuri, arena, sage, time-space. I think it have to do server architecture, they can't just have every server communicate with ALL others efficiently so they do bundles.

For starters i would like them to acknowledge that that there is a massive problem with sage now .
The silence is Deafening

ah, then this makes sense.
Moderator doesn't want to play with the big boys, so he move himself and his friends to an easier bracket.

well, might be other reasons I don't know, but this is just sad...