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On 2017-04-22 11:33:35Show this Author OnlyDescending Order
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Good day OasisGames,

Thank you for all your hard work and efforts to make this game as good as it is. I know it always has room for improvement, but it could be far worse and I thank you for keeping a semblance of balance. I am writing this message today with the hopes that you still listen to your fans, and have not yet fallen into the unethical abyss of money syphoning.

I would like to ask to review the Convoy/Plundering system if possible.
It is by far the most frustrating, unbalanced system in the game. Here is why:

Only the highest leveled, strongest players can plunder.
These players are ultimately paying players with already a huge advantage in... well... everything. Now, they have the option to actually hunt lower players to beat the crap out of them.

Those lower level players are most likely non-paying players, whose sources of coupons are very limited. Now one of them is reduced by half. That's 15 coupons left only, while the plunderer gets 50 coupons PER successful plunder. That's 150 coupons 100% of the time, because they can choose who to attack.

This prevents the lower levels from having a chance to catch up, while making the already strong players even stronger, widening the gap even further. You could argue that one can be supported by a higher level player from their own group, but that is IF there is one and IF they are online, basically forcing the players to play on a timeframe on which those players play.

Furthermore, I cannot express the disdain, disgust, hatred, and frustration felt towards the plunderers by the ones who get plundered. It is undiscribable.

It would be great if you could think of a way to enhance the experience of the lower players. The way it is now, it's only a show-off event for paying members to the detriment of the lower level players.

In any case, that is my two cents.
Thank you for listening.

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On 2017-04-22 11:46:00Show this Author Only
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that's what support system is for, for those who mindlessly plunge in the map with SS on their heads without any backup are idiots.
I was once being plundered a lot but I started using support then enemies came sometimes 3 consecutive plunderers and I beat the * out of them now I'm in top10 on our server because of patience and being smart, just so you know never spent a single cent to oasis
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On 2017-04-22 11:49:35Show this Author Only
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Here we are again. Please allow me to answer your question.
First is about the nature of this system. The plunder system is made to give player who plays competitively a free, stable income of 150 coupon/day. So if you want to play competitively, to catch up to the stronger player, to beat other players, you have to have 3 clones or spend time refreshing for a stable income.
Now, why is this system made only for the top 50 strongest player? First, it is to provide enough prey for the player who hasn't got 3 clones yet, to prevent the situation when everyone just goes plundering and there would be no convoy so no one gets anything in the end. Secondly, a server was meant to have only a
maximum of 50 competitive players, so that the other, weaker player must either play non-competitively OR change to a new server if they want to go competitive. But the number is actually even lower because to play competitively you also need to:
- Get top 3 team ranking in sage
- Get a seal pack every week
- Get top 128 in spacetime battlefield
So that made the number of competitive player on a server usually only around ~20

Hope this answer your question :) and furthermore please remember:
- This doesn't apply to whale
- This is one of the aspects that Oasis has made better for the f2p and small p2p community comparing to China and Taiwan because there you would not get 150 coupon for free everyday. So I really hope this system stay :D This post was last edited by mdr***@gmail.com at 2017-4-22 11:50
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On 2017-04-22 12:12:30Show this Author Only
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  • RyoheiYagyuu On 2017-04-22 11:49:35
  • Here we are again. Please allow me to answer your question.
    First is about the nature of this system. The plunder system is made to give player who plays competitively a free, stable income of 150 coupon/day. So if you want to play competitively, to catch up to the stronger player, to beat other players, you have to have 3 clones or spend time refreshing for a stable income.
    Now, why is this system made only for the top 50 strongest player? First, it is to provide enough prey for the player who hasn't got 3 clones yet, to prevent the situation when everyone just goes plundering and there would be no convoy so no one gets anything in the end. Secondly, a server was meant to have only a
    maximum of 50 competitive players, so that the other, weaker player must either play non-competitively OR change to a new server if they want to go competitive. But the number is actually even lower because to play competitively you also need to:
    - Get top 3 team ranking in sage
    - Get a seal pack every week
    - Get top 128 in spacetime battlefield
    So that made the number of competitive player on a server usually only around ~20

    Hope this answer your question :) and furthermore please remember:
    - This doesn't apply to whale
    - This is one of the aspects that Oasis has made better for the f2p and small p2p community comparing to China and Taiwan because there you would not get 150 coupon for free everyday. So I really hope this system stay :D This post was last edited by mdr***@gmail.com at 2017-4-22 11:50
Unfortunately, your little model does not take into account competitive players who have principles, and places said principle above their competitiveness.

Punished for doing the honorable thing, it's the ONE thing that I dislike the most about the game (yep, more than the 76 tendo, the TI nerf, the ptw, the horrid arena/masuri match making, THIS is my biggest beef with the game)
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On 2017-04-22 12:33:23Show this Author Only
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  • PraiseLuka On 2017-04-22 12:12:30
  • Unfortunately, your little model does not take into account competitive players who have principles, and places said principle above their competitiveness.

    Punished for doing the honorable thing, it's the ONE thing that I dislike the most about the game (yep, more than the 76 tendo, the TI nerf, the ptw, the horrid arena/masuri match making, THIS is my biggest beef with the game)
Indeed what you're doing is honorable, but being both strong AND good is always harder than being strong alone. Don't you think this apply to real life as well? ;P
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On 2017-04-22 12:52:31Show this Author Only
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I've complained about this before as well, I've even suggested allowing the convoy to do all 4 SS without having to pay ingots, reducing the plunder spoils to 15 coupons (since that's all they take anyway), removing the 3 limit on support (because once the one or two strongest people on you team are out of support, going alone or grabbing a worthless teammate for support doesn't matter), having the enemy's HP not reset between support and main fight, thus making more teammate useful as support by weakening stronger opponents, only one attack on someone, cooldowns between successful defenses (so that a whole team can't hold you down until a player who can beat you is freed up), tigher restrictions on who can attack who, and yet they don't do anything about it because they don't care about you as a f2p person, if you aren't spending you aren't winning and they only care about the money.

Maybe when the system is updated to 3.0 or 4.0 like the Asian servers and everything is obtainable for free, then they will start making changes to benefit everyone, instead of the top 3 players in each server. This post was last edited by Ryukashin at 2017-4-22 12:54
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On 2017-04-22 12:52:59Show this Author Only
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The time it took u to think/write this, your 2 Alts could of been over level 10. It should take little to 0 effort for anybody to get rank 50 in rank battle for u to loot your own alts. The newer the serer the easier this is

Think how much time do u really spend on your main. Put the effort in like most have and make a alt, then u can pick and chose the time to loot them.

It might take a week or a month but the payoff is worth it u just have to put Effort
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On 2017-04-22 12:56:55Show this Author Only
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  • Karissaa On 2017-04-22 12:52:59
  • The time it took u to think/write this, your 2 Alts could of been over level 10. It should take little to 0 effort for anybody to get rank 50 in rank battle for u to loot your own alts. The newer the serer the easier this is

    Think how much time do u really spend on your main. Put the effort in like most have and make a alt, then u can pick and chose the time to loot them.

    It might take a week or a month but the payoff is worth it u just have to put Effort
I have 5 alts, maybe 6, on my server, all at around 40 mind you. If I send them on an SS run, I cannot loot them with my main who is 87. They don't show up on the list because of the huge level difference. So forgive me and everyone else for not wanting to raise up 4 accounts to max just to get 150 coupons every day on your main.
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On 2017-04-22 12:57:20Show this Author Only
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The top 50 is either there because they pay or because they played smart before and got there. My advice to you is if your group doesn't have strong players or they are never online at the same time you are; you have two options: one you search a group that does have a person who can give you support you or stop running SS altogether.

You don't know if Oasis wants to keep that feature as it is and as someone explained maybe they will never change it for those reasons. I have seen this complaint many times and they have never stated any intent to change it. At one point you have to adapt, as the person explained people can plunder their own alt but they will go for the weaker member of their servers for as long as its possible. You can't do nothing about the gap either they plunder you or their alt or keep paying more than you. Save yourself some frustration and just stay away from the things that sap out your enjoyment of the game. This post was last edited by 104***@facebook at 2017-4-22 13:08
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On 2017-04-22 13:22:18Show this Author Only
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Also when u make your alts u can have more then 1 Different Browser up at the same time. So while 1 alt on 1 browser is fighting, u can be doing something else on the other browser

like the guy said its not going to happen over night. You just have to keep playing and as u spend less and less time on your main. u can play your alts.

Then Bam before u know it they will be within 15 levels on your main and then u can pick a wired time to loot them that gives u the best time to succeed

Your just behind as many others have done this,which is why u dont see people complaining as much as they use to
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On 2017-04-22 13:43:22Show this Author Only
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  • Ryukashin On 2017-04-22 12:56:55
  • I have 5 alts, maybe 6, on my server, all at around 40 mind you. If I send them on an SS run, I cannot loot them with my main who is 87. They don't show up on the list because of the huge level difference. So forgive me and everyone else for not wanting to raise up 4 accounts to max just to get 150 coupons every day on your main.
So forgive me and everyone else for not wanting to raise up 4 accounts to max just to get 150 coupons every day on your main.
If you don't think 4500 coupon a month, 13500 coupon = 1 super rare/3 months worth that much, then you people are not playing competitively and don't deserve to be able to beat any competitive player.

then they will start making changes to benefit everyone, instead of the top 3 players in each server.
No you are wrong, the first thing you have to understand that this is free 150 coupon daily for everyone who wants to play competitively, not only spender.

they don't do anything about it because they don't care about you as a f2p person, if you aren't spending you aren't winning and they only care about the money.
To whom do you think 150 cp worth more, a dude who recharge 10k ingot a month or a free to play?
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On 2017-04-22 17:38:47Show this Author Only
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Just for the record, having alternate accounts on 1 server is technically illegal. If you're claiming it 'to be able to play competitively', then in competitive terms, it's known as 'cheating'. This has been reinforced by mods multiple times, and all players really need to do is to report you. (Not that I know of cases of that happening tho - good luck nonetheless)
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On 2017-04-22 18:43:03Show this Author Only
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This is why u should always, like in my case only have Group chat up only.To many Trolls on my server

Unless u say this is my Alt and that is my Main there is no way to prove it, So dont let that part scare u

If u want more proof its ok, look at anyone of my past post in the past.

I use to be against it but why should only a few benefit from it, when everyone should if they are going to allow it to happen

So pretty much. Dont Brag about it just do it
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On 2017-04-22 20:01:07Show this Author Only
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easy way to avoid being plundered? ask to join the group where the strongest people are. you cannot plunder people in your own group.
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On 2017-04-22 20:53:41Show this Author Only
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  • PoisonScrub On 2017-04-22 17:38:47
  • Just for the record, having alternate accounts on 1 server is technically illegal. If you're claiming it 'to be able to play competitively', then in competitive terms, it's known as 'cheating'. This has been reinforced by mods multiple times, and all players really need to do is to report you. (Not that I know of cases of that happening tho - good luck nonetheless)
I know that answer like this will eventually pop up :D So lemme tell you something
When did I ever mention that I am a competitive free player? ;P
And if you insist on calling "using clones to plunder" as "cheating", then fine, let it be ;P
Yes, I am saying that you only have 3 options: "cheat", being a whale or never be able to compete with other players.
So what now? Let me see your next argument? ;P
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