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On 2017-03-15 04:30:12Show this Author OnlyDescending Order
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Heyo. Small discussion and a question here based on the current convoy/plunder system.

All in all I enjoy the new system since it doesn't rely on you NEEDING another player to run convoys, thus saving time and a lot of frustration. However, my one big question is why the difference between convoys and plunder rewards is so pronounced. I don't mean the 50/30 disparity. That in my mind isn't actually a terrible balance considering if you lose the fight you get 0 for plunder entirely. However, my big question is why the plunderers get all of their chances for free while convoys only get one. That's honestly where the major disparity comes because for a free player they can only earn 30 cp a day from convoys and thats if they manage to sneak by or have a strong host cover them. However, for paying players and those in the top 50 ranked battle, they can earn a maximum of 150 cp a day for free, literally 5x the amount of convoys. That alone doesn't really make much sense to cover the off chance that they might lose all their fights and get 0 for said day.

Just for the record I ask this solely based on what I feel as one of the top 5 in my server. I myself don't do plunders just because it feels like a * move, especially considering how easy it is to find someone 10k+ power behind you and abuse the crap out of them. Every day there are complaints about both sides of the spectrum. Convoyers getting annoyed that people that much ahead of them can freely beat them down for 3x the rewards they gain, 15 for convoy loss to the 50 for plunder, but at the same time there are plunderers annoyed because people just stopped doing SS convoys because they'd rather take the 100k coins or whatnot over a clear cut loss and only 15 cp. Of course over a months time that 15 turns into a nice 450 for free but that makes the difference even more pronounced as a plunder will net you 4500 if you win them all, a whopping 10x turnout. Of course this is all at the highs and lows of a 30 days period but I think it gets the point across.

Ultimately, what I'm getting at is would it really be that bad to just make all the SS convoys free?
This would make it so even if you lose them all you get something decent out of it in the long run and it makes the entire system more worthwhile for both ends. Better rewards and balancing for F2P or otherwise as convoy and also more opportunities to get daily plunders done for the plunderers. I understand it would have a bit of an impact on the economy of the game but it hardly seems like one so large that it wouldn't be worth doing.
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On 2017-03-15 04:38:00Show this Author Only
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I completely agree with you.
And I also don't plunder despite being in top 10, maybe top 5, of my server, for pretty much the same reason.

Granted, there could be fine tuning instead of flat out making all SS free, but the general direction is there.
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On 2017-03-15 04:49:06Show this Author Only
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Yeah. I mean that was just a quick suggestion because I do realize it isn't easy to balance an entire system but when the difference in opportunity is that cut and dry you ought to have some second look going on.
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On 2017-03-15 05:21:42Show this Author Only
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I do plunder sometimes. But when I defeated someone I ran far away, so stronger player can't find me. I'm not in top 10 in my (merged) server. There are a few people in my server are hunting red names.
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On 2017-03-15 05:28:39Show this Author Only
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I do agree and support as well the suggestions to include more SS convoys and making the additional ones free instead of charging 10 ingots. This would help out both the convoys and plunders.

And like what you said, there can never be a solution to any problem in the world that pleases all parties, but I think your suggestion is a good balance in between. Though there will still be people who voice out their discontent... always. :Q
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On 2017-03-15 05:44:12Show this Author Only
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yes I agree , the 10 ingots price is just silly , it would be a win-win situation for both convoyers and plunderers if we could do more than 1 SS for free , it would be less complains overall
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On 2017-03-15 08:29:47Show this Author Only
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it wont happen because the devs want the top players to feel somewhat rewarded for being top ,what this game is all about
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On 2017-03-15 08:56:33Show this Author Only
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I do plunder since im top 7 in my server and a f2p, i would appreciate if they make all scrolls to SS :D
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On 2017-03-15 08:58:32Show this Author Only
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  • YuShiro On 2017-03-15 08:29:47
  • it wont happen because the devs want the top players to feel somewhat rewarded for being top ,what this game is all about
And there are ways to work with that too, like only allowing the "top players" extra SS, potentially different amounts like top 10 can do 4, 11-20 can do 3, 21-50 can do 2.
This way they are both rewarded AND have a choice
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On 2017-03-15 10:57:24Show this Author Only
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  • PraiseLuka On 2017-03-15 08:58:32
  • And there are ways to work with that too, like only allowing the "top players" extra SS, potentially different amounts like top 10 can do 4, 11-20 can do 3, 21-50 can do 2.
    This way they are both rewarded AND have a choice
this solution has been brought out aswell , unlike you i dont do convoy out of morals in a virtual world but simply don't have time for plunder so i very much agree , alas who may hear our pleas its echoing infinitely!
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On 2017-03-15 11:21:57Show this Author Only
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or punish the plunders harder, if they lose the fight they also lose coupons/coins. i dont plunder myself, but being able to just help 3 guys and that i have to pay attention on when those guys need the help soxs. Make it so we get reward for 3 helps and the rest we dont get reward for at all. Make it also available for convoy people to just "take" help from their group members fk the reward if ur online and click accept u get that 20k coins reward if your not clicking accept u dont get a * but ur group member at least got to do the convoy.edit: do convoy and get support even tho ur offline.
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On 2017-03-15 16:47:56Show this Author Only
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Good points from this post:
- make * support to not require manual clicking of supporter. just the first 3 guys asking support get it.
- allow *ers do 3 SS missions for free and 1 more for ignots

In my opinion with these 2 changes everything will be settled. Plunderers wont have to be clicking the refresh *on for 1 hour and *ers will stop whining about getting way less.
Please make it a poll :)
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On 2017-03-15 16:50:50Show this Author Only
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  • BabaKsA On 2017-03-15 11:21:57
  • or punish the plunders harder, if they lose the fight they also lose coupons/coins. i dont plunder myself, but being able to just help 3 guys and that i have to pay attention on when those guys need the help soxs. Make it so we get reward for 3 helps and the rest we dont get reward for at all. Make it also available for convoy people to just "take" help from their group members fk the reward if ur online and click accept u get that 20k coins reward if your not clicking accept u dont get a * but ur group member at least got to do the convoy.edit: do convoy and get support even tho ur offline.
They make it so plunder benefits the spenders more, and it's a bit silly that for a second SS convoy you have to spend ingots for a 20 coupon benefit. It's a slap to the face for users who want to gain coupons, and not take away someone else's.
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On 2017-03-15 17:17:20Show this Author Only
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  • Yuuki S740 On 2017-03-15 16:47:56
  • Good points from this post:
    - make * support to not require manual clicking of supporter. just the first 3 guys asking support get it.
    - allow *ers do 3 SS missions for free and 1 more for ignots

    In my opinion with these 2 changes everything will be settled. Plunderers wont have to be clicking the refresh *on for 1 hour and *ers will stop whining about getting way less.
    Please make it a poll :)
The first one is not good because it could be taken up by low levels who don't even need support (for my server, for example, anyone below 65 is 100% safe as the lowest level on the top 50 ranked battle is 80. Well, there is one weird exception but that's really an outliar that can't be properly handled.

Furthermore, we usually only support SS convoys, thou that doesn't mean we DON'T support S at times (usually near end of the evening session, when most or all members are done with SS, free coin is free coin.

And finally, support takes on your CURRENT formation. Given that there are many activity, including but not limited to fox, coin trial, exp trial, TI, SA that requires alternative formations, this might end up causing players to be supported with the wrong team, and some of those are REALLY not combat ready. (Heck, I even swap ninja around for instance sweeping, I have excess food to feed all ninja to max but just don't feel good about wasting resources, even if it is mostly useless)

To make auto support work, it would have to be like this:
Allow a player to choose one specific formation for supporting (like ranked battle, it's not affected by your current team)
Only apply to SS (S can still be accepted manually)
You can white list who gets auto accepted, so the low levels don't waste your chances.
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On 2017-03-15 17:22:22Show this Author Only
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  • PraiseLuka On 2017-03-15 17:17:20
  • The first one is not good because it could be taken up by low levels who don't even need support (for my server, for example, anyone below 65 is 100% safe as the lowest level on the top 50 ranked battle is 80. Well, there is one weird exception but that's really an outliar that can't be properly handled.

    Furthermore, we usually only support SS convoys, thou that doesn't mean we DON'T support S at times (usually near end of the evening session, when most or all members are done with SS, free coin is free coin.

    And finally, support takes on your CURRENT formation. Given that there are many activity, including but not limited to fox, coin trial, exp trial, TI, SA that requires alternative formations, this might end up causing players to be supported with the wrong team, and some of those are REALLY not combat ready. (Heck, I even swap ninja around for instance sweeping, I have excess food to feed all ninja to max but just don't feel good about wasting resources, even if it is mostly useless)

    To make auto support work, it would have to be like this:
    Allow a player to choose one specific formation for supporting (like ranked battle, it's not affected by your current team)
    Only apply to SS (S can still be accepted manually)
    You can white list who gets auto accepted, so the low levels don't waste your chances.
Fair point, but I guess that would be too hard to implement so they won't even consider it.
The second point will still imptove things drastically though.
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On 2017-03-16 00:36:35Show this Author Only
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In the end it definitely would and it's just like I said. Little things they change would go such a long way. I don't necessarily think you have to punish plunderers more than they are at the moment and you don't have to really make the rewards for convoy any better at all if you just remove the ingot fee for additional runs. The current support system also isn't the most optimal either, albeit I still enjoy this convoy over the original iteration.
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On 2017-03-16 01:05:23Show this Author Only
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Guys, we all know they wont change anything
1) Same system on cn
2) They doesnt care about morale and f2p players
3) They're way too greedy
4) With all this p2w they just cant see that A LOT OF SERVERS ARE DEAD BUT THEY STILL MAKING NEW SERVERS
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On 2017-03-16 01:24:16Show this Author Only
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  • Alkai On 2017-03-16 01:05:23
  • Guys, we all know they wont change anything
    1) Same system on cn
    2) They doesnt care about morale and f2p players
    3) They're way too greedy
    4) With all this p2w they just cant see that A LOT OF SERVERS ARE DEAD BUT THEY STILL MAKING NEW SERVERS
1) Keep going with that mindset and nothing will ever be changed, in the game, and in life in general.
2) This is a browser game, and browser games are always p2w driven. The problem is some suggestion that f2p players make are so selfish in the sense that they wanna close the gap with p2w players so much, then what's the point of a player being p2w if an f2p can be almost as good.
3) Its a business, everyone insists that games die eventually. So why not milk as much as possible while its alive. Its a BUSINESS.
4) I think go ahead and make more servers, people will spend on Jonin medals, spend money to try to be at the top. The more money people spend, helps us f2p players keep the game running with income to the dev. When people stop paying, the game dies.
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On 2017-03-16 06:07:59Show this Author Only
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Yea but even as a paying player I'm sure many of us started in one game or another as F2P and it's quite easy to see areas of improvement that would clearly benefit both, or in the case of purchasing more SS attempts for convoy, just seem rather pointless to begin with.
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On 2017-03-17 00:02:27Show this Author Only
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actually they dont care about f2p so much ;P
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